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921  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: GUI mining - Phoenix 1.5 and new, faster poclbm on: August 23, 2011, 10:15:45 PM
Is there a way to set up GUIMiner to restart crashed/frozen miners in the case of unstable overclocks? I'm trying to max out my system, and it really frustrated me to set an OC, go to work, and come back 8 hours later to learned the miner froze 10 minutes into mining because the display driver had to reset and recover.

Not really unless you set up a task to kill and restart GUIminer every 30 minutes to an hour so you don't lose that much mining time.  It's probably better to not set clocks to unknown levels unless you can let it run and watch it for a few hours.  Usually if you go too high it'll crash right away or within an hour or so.

Also, just a thought.  Totally overclocking your cards to the extremes for a few extra MH isn't really worth it in the long run.  Say you can squeeze another 20 MH out of it, that equates to a whopping .32 BTC / month at the current difficulty.  While it may seem good, if you have to replace the card after 4-6 months, is it really worth the 1-2 extra BTC?


Not to mention an overclock that nets you an extra 20mhz is going to make the card use a lot more power, so your MH per Watt goes down.

I actually underclock my cards to get the sweet spot between power consumption and hash rate.
922  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The emoticons of Bitcoins - Satoshi Codes! on: August 18, 2011, 07:06:40 PM
666. I'm going to release a new Bitcoin fork

+1 internet to you. Actually made me laugh out loud.
923  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Optimal Bitcoin Mining Corp. now offering remote GPU use contracts! on: August 18, 2011, 03:42:12 PM

Perhaps OptimalBitcoin would like to reply with how the machine specs available at $1.50/hour compare to the equivalent provided by Amazon in terms other than Bitcoin mining performance ...

"Cluster GPU Quadruple Extra Large 22 GB memory, 33.5 EC2 Compute Units, 2 x NVIDIA Tesla “Fermi” M2050 GPUs, 1690 GB of local instance storage, 64-bit platform, 10 Gigabit Ethernet"


I should imagine Amazon offer a far superior service, and for $2.10 per hour.
924  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: A Better Coin on: August 18, 2011, 03:31:52 PM
I'm not in favor of using bitcoin to back the currency.

Here is what I propose instead.

1) every send is taxed at a 0.1% rate (the tax is rounded up) + (an extra tax fee for sends with low confirmations) + (a user-specified voluntary tax to motivate inclusion in a block)

2) mining occurs through the mixed coin - hashing system I described above where you escrow coins in the blockchain whenever you find a block (and thus need coins to mine)

3) miners receive 50% of the send tax revenue. An additional 50% of the tax revenue and coin generation equal to 50% of the tax revenue is put in an escrow account.

4) What happens to the escrowed money depends on monthly voting rounds. There are two possible voting outcomes (these are hard-coded):
                      a) money generation via lottery -> all tax revenue is sent via a random dividend to some lucky address.
                                                                      Probability of being selection in the random draw is proportional to coin account size (one coin = one draw.
                                                                     the lottery occurs once per block
                      b) money destruction -> all tax revenue is disposed of (for example sent to a nonexistent address)  

5) Voting rounds last for one month worth of blocks. Votes are cast whenever a block is mined. However, only one vote is counted every month. The counted vote is the one that included the largest number of escrowed coins (not coin-confirmations) in a block mined over the past month. This single vote decides whether the next month follows outcome 4a or outcome 4b.

To the extent that currency use grew over time, money generated via the lottery would enrich all holders of the currency in proportion to their initial holdings (early adopters are rewarded). To the extent that the currency failed, the volume of currency available would contract with every block sent until none remained. If this occurred slowly enough, the price could remain stable during the contraction.

Rich voters decide between currency creation and currency destruction. If they are risk-neutral, they will be indifferent between destroying currency and generating it. I think they would try to manage the currency price in a sensible way to help it succeed and thus maximize returns on their investment. I believe that they would try to keep USD or EUR exchange rates stable, but it is up to them. Also, there is a market for control. If anyone decides that they can manage creation/destruction more successfully, they can seize control of voting through a massive investment in the coin.

Way too complicated.

The beauty of Bitcoin, and a big part of why it is a success, is its simplicity.

Every *coin that comes along and proposes to add more features, more complexity, more checks and balances is ultimately missing the point.
925  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Anyone else excited about difficulty decrease? on: August 18, 2011, 03:28:00 PM
When or if bitcoin becomes relatively weak to sum of alternative networks, then I think Gavin would have to change protocol so it will adjust difficulty much more frequent.

Unlikely in extremis.
926  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The emoticons of Bitcoins - Satoshi Codes! on: August 18, 2011, 03:22:07 PM
34 - There *is* porn of it after all!
50 - Police on the way, hide the drugs
86 - Dump your coins
68 - Buy coins
927  Economy / Marketplace / Re: SkepsiDyne Integrated Node - The Bitcoin Mining Company on: August 18, 2011, 03:09:26 PM
SIN is in danger of being delisted.

I have emailed tawsix at the begining of the week, and just sent him a PM.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=37414.0

14 hours remain for the SINs details to be updated before being delisted.

Nefario.

That sounds bad. Do any funds get returned to Shareholders in that scenario??

Delisted means everything will be frozen, if the issue is fixed after the fact the company will be relisted. If it's not fixed after that then I'm not sure whats next.

Nefario, aren't you changing the rules while we're playing ?

To be fair, all he has to do is enter an email address and a short description about the company, it'll take about 5 minutes to create a gmail account or somesuch so not exactly a hardship.

If the company owner can't find time to do this tiny task, should they really be running a company?
928  Economy / Marketplace / Re: SkepsiDyne Integrated Node - The Bitcoin Mining Company on: August 18, 2011, 02:41:15 PM
SIN is in danger of being delisted.

I have emailed tawsix at the begining of the week, and just sent him a PM.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=37414.0

14 hours remain for the SINs details to be updated before being delisted.

Nefario.

That sounds bad. Do any funds get returned to Shareholders in that scenario??
929  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Optimal Bitcoin Mining Corp. now offering remote GPU use contracts! on: August 18, 2011, 02:38:40 PM

Whenever there is an offer for "remote GPU use contract" that is greater than ~$0.46/hr, it makes more sense to stop the mining and have them work on the "remote GPU use contract".


Yes indeed, but this relies on people being stupid enough to pay so much. You won't get many repeat customers once they realise they lose coins overall.
930  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: August 18, 2011, 01:53:01 PM
They have probably lost any profits on the short positions by now and will start to lose money as gold goes higher from here or sometime soon.

We broke $1800/oz today. Hope it closes over this point...
931  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: A Better Coin on: August 18, 2011, 01:41:49 PM

Psychological barrier to entry is simply this: Few people are going to be willing to buy a single bitcoin for $1,000.  It's a psychological thing.  Having $1,000 in your bank account just "feels" a lot better than having 1 bitcoin, even if they're both worth the same amount and both have the same purchasing power.  To a lot of people, buying a handful of bitcoins for a lot more than a handful of dollars feels like they are getting ripped off.  Unless the virtual currency can have rough parity with the dollar, it will not ever be fully accepted by the general public.


You think? Plenty people seem to be pepared to buy a single ounce of gold for nearly twice that amount...

The Japanese don't seem to have a problem spending 1000 Yen on something trivial.

I think maybe this is an imagined problem rather than a real one.
932  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: This is Bitcoin's future in an image on: August 18, 2011, 01:38:25 PM
Well, yes, they aren't mutually exclusive, but there is a limit on how many payment systems a user can reasonably support Smiley

As for drugs, where I live, people were paying for drugs a-oky via prepaid cards and Webmoney with no small amount of success, though BTC does make some things easier, while making other things harder (every transaction is completely public, so "jurisdictional veils" do not apply)

You don't need any jurisdictional veil. Sure, every transaction is public, but senders and recipients cannot be identified.

5BTC transferring from one account to another could be for anything, from anyone to anyone.
933  Economy / Marketplace / Re: SkepsiDyne Integrated Node - The Bitcoin Mining Company on: August 18, 2011, 11:31:13 AM

We'll be fixing all the existing machines, just not buying new ones.


Hello! Glad that you're back, I was getting worried there. Hope everything is ok.

A consolidation phase is a very good idea at this stage. If I were you I'd take some time to get your existing rigs working at absolute optimal efficiency while you get all the broken parts RMA'd and replaced.

Experiment with undervolting and underclocking your cards. This can yeild far better Bitcoin / Watt ratios than overclocking and overvolting. Given how much is being spent on electricity, underclocking should actually increase profit output rather than reduce it. Additionally, the lower temps should allow for a greater density of rigs in the available space when you start to expand again in the coming months.

Figure out clever ways to maximise your space without affecting temperatures. For example, Do you use PCI-E ribbon cables rather than plugging the cards directly into the motherboard? this can be a great way to improve airflow and temps, allowing you to stack rigs even more closely together without overheating. Simple things like a really good cable tidying job can help a lot too.

If we could have some pics of the mining hardware that would be really cool, and allow shareholders to suggest improvements...

A company that can increase profit and growth potential while reducing expenditure and without taking on any new investment is a valuable prospect indeed.
934  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin won't succeed without your help. on: August 17, 2011, 02:58:58 PM

With bit-pay.com, our merchants can set prices in USD (and soon other currencies) and receive payout in USD...if they elect to receive payout in BTC, they receive whatever price they set minus a flat 2.99% (which is substantially lower than the total fees they would likely incur with credit cards and no chargebacks to boot).  They are not exposed at all to the volatility of bitcoin (however we would certainly prefer more merchants to accept bitcoin payout instead of USD).


Nice, so you take the currency exchange difficulties away from the seller for a fee. I think 3% is relatively high given the leap of faith customers have to make to use coins as payment, but I'm sure many will have enough in their margin to be able to afford it. It's certainly a lot cheaper than Paypal, and a heck of a lot cheaper if you take Paypal chargebacks into account.

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As distasteful as it is to have to set prices in some other currency, I think it's a necessity in the near term given the volatility of bitcoin.  Perhaps we need mechanisms to set prices in gold or silver terms for those that find fiat currencies distasteful.


Not a great idea, all you do then is compound the volatility of BTC with the volatility of the gold price.

I don't think any serious shop can set their prices in BTC right now and expect to survive as a business. I don't have the option to reject all fiat currencies *just* yet... There are no suppliers I can buy stock from in Bitcoins, and no courier services I can pay in Bitcoins either, in fact all of my costs will be in my local currency, so that's what I have to base my prices on.

Many years down the line we will have shops who say "This item costs 10BTC no matter what the exchange rate is", but we are a long, long way off from this being a smart thing to do.
935  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin won't succeed without your help. on: August 17, 2011, 02:37:54 PM

Both sites look very promising (and empty lol).

The fees on bidbitcoins are extortionate, even higher than ebay Huh certainly won't be using that.

Biddingpond looks to have exactly the right idea, simple site, free to list but you can pay for listing upgrades if you wish. I shall add some stuff to that for sure..

936  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin won't succeed without your help. on: August 17, 2011, 02:10:18 PM
I agree with all your examples. But I would add the possibility that even without help, bitcoin will find a niche. Speculation has become an unintended center of the bitcoin economy. But maybe that is just going to happen. It does make a mean currency for arbitrage, for example.
Perhaps this will lead to wider adoption by those who see it's core benefits as "the money of the Internet"?

No, here's why:

1:
Any investment with the level of risk attached to Bitcoin is a huge turn-off for most people, so investment certainly should not be used a selling point to anyone unfamiliar with Bitcoin. That's not to say people shouldn't speculate and invest by any means, it certainly attracts interest in Bitcoin and can be extremely lucrative for investors.

2:
Speculation and the huge variances in value of a Bitcoin actually detract from the usefulness as a transmission currency and make it more difficult for people who want to use it as such. To trade effectively in Bitcoins, I must adjust my prices in real-time and sell the coins immediately after receiving them, incurring a loss equal to the current market spread. If the spread is larger due to speculation, I lose more. If I wait a while to sell my coins I may lose or I may gain, depending on the whims of the market. This unpredictability is a problem for web shops looking to cash out in dollars in order to re-invest in more stock, for example.

On the other side of the coin, (sorry I couldn't resist) it's good for my customers when the price of a Bitcoin is going up, but bad for them if it's going down. Such variances in price would make it exciting, but somewhat of a gamble to shop on a site that accepts bitcoins but pegs the price to a fixed dollar amount, as you could literally watch the price of an item change price every time you refreshed the page and wait for the best time to buy.

Eventually, enough money will be invested in Bitcoin such that the changes in price are .1% per day instead of 10% per day, which negates a lot of the problems above, but at the moment no, speculation does us no favours at all.
937  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Optimal Bitcoin Mining Corp. now offering remote GPU use contracts! on: August 17, 2011, 01:42:20 PM
Update:

Our first customer received service and was happy with the service.  Their contract has ended.  I currently have 5 computers available for rental and am looking for new customers.  Please send me a PM if you are interested!

This business model is flawed. If the miners are at all profitable, it doesn't make sense to rent them out. It only makes sense if mining is not profitable.

For example:

If I rent a computer from you for 24 hours for 1BTC, and I manage to mine 2BTC, then you lose 1BTC. You would have made more BTC by not renting it to me and simply using it to mine and keep the 2 BTC for yourself.

If I pay you 1 BTC to rent the computer but I only manage to mine 0.5 BTC then you gain 0.5 BTC.

The correct business model is:

Float the company on GLBSE with an IPO to raise the investment you need to buy enough computers to fill all availble space, then the company mines using this equipment and pays out any profits after covering electricity costs to shareholders. You do not own the company in this setup, the shareholders do, but as long as you keep 25-50% of shares then you keep 25-50% of all profit made, and use none of your own money to buy the computers.

If the company needs to liquidate (eg mining is no longer profitable), then you sell everything you bought with share capital and buy all shares back from shareholders (including your own shares) at as close to the initial IPO as you can afford with the proceeds from what you earn in selling the equipment.
938  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Hyperion Investments - making your bitcoins work (selling 9500 shares) on: August 17, 2011, 01:25:00 PM
Why don't you make the floataion on GLBSE, then all of this is done automatically for you, with no need to keep logs of your investors...
939  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin won't succeed without your help. on: August 17, 2011, 01:11:26 PM
I've said this before, but I think it's worth repeating.  Growing the bitcoin economy is very simple.  Dedicate a portion of your earnings to buying bitcoin every week (however small that may be doesn't matter).  And never sell bitcoins on an exchange if you can possibly help it.  Instead, use those bitcoins to buy stuff (or pay people).  I think if everyone tried to do this, it would be the most effect way to grow bitcoin usage.  Trying to explicitly market bitcoin to people that may not know or care about it can backfire (but countering anti-bitcoin propaganda is important).

Totally agreed, but right now the places you can buy stuff with BTC is extremely limited. So this cannot happen without the community really focusing on priority #1 above. Once the sites are created the trade throughput will automatically follow.

Personally, I'm sitting on a lot of stock that I want to sell for Bitcoins, but there's no site I can sell it on apart from black markets which also sell drugs, and want to charge me 15BTC to become a seller.  Angry I don't have the expertise needed to create a free-to-join ebay style site of my own, so I'm stuck.

I'm sure I'm not alone. The community as a whole has masses of stuff (especially miners getting out of the game selling graphics cards) that they want to sell but nowhere to do it.

I'm really impressed with your Bitpay site BTW, tools like yours will make it so much easier for merchants and auction sites to exist!
940  Economy / Gambling / Re: PonziTime - 25% ROI - No Fee, No Jackpot -----Just Started! on: August 17, 2011, 12:45:26 PM
im in Smiley
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