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1  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Assistance gratefully rec'd [Reopened] on: September 09, 2014, 10:09:40 AM
Well I am happy to say the newly spliced cable is up and running!




All BE's detected and running as per normal




This is my wiring diagram:




Fingers crossed now I am good to go! Topic title changed back, thanks again for all of your support and assistance  Grin
2  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Assistance gratefully rec'd [Reopened] on: September 09, 2014, 12:21:53 AM
I've had USB issues before on the RPi (other miners though) and did that mod, which in my case helped.

However if it _is_ the red wire depends on the cable manufacturer. The first cable I tried they seemed to think that red is just a pretty colour and used it for data, instead of + . To be sure you either have to do trial and error or check continuity with a multimeter.

Another problem is if your hubs are made close to the original USB spec they will expect 5V from the host otherwise they won't turn on. Of course that was the case for me, so I ended up making a Y-cable where data only was on the cable from the Pi and spliced another cable into the main cable coming from an USB wallwart for power only. I hope this makes sense to you.

OK, I started looking online for something to save me butchering my brand new hub lead.. I found some quite interesting stuff actually:

This is Mini to Micro but seemed to fit the bill perfectly, with an off/on switch to boot!

This has a brilliant name, but initially I thought we need the reverse of this, no power, just data. I understood we still need a ground just also with a switchable +5v.

I couldn't find what I was looking for so understanding the connections, I decided to let rip and experiment:



I found an old Type A to Type B USB printer lead, and hacked it in half. I can confirm the lead colours were as expected. So I soldered away at the White, Green and Black leads, then insulated them whilst insulated the two pieces of Red apart from each other, twisted some silver foil around the leads and wrapped insulating tape around the whole thing. Proper job or so I thought.

Upon testing in the RPi, no devices have been found, thinking I must of not correctly soldered the connection I painstakingly took the whole thing apart again and seemingly it looked like I had messed up a connection. Yet my multimeter confused me because it said I was getting continuity so this time I just twisted the ends together and tested again with the RPi.

Again, no devices found. OK, I twisted the Red lead together and voila, the RPi found my hardware and everything worked. So then I wondered if it still needed the Red wire connected once it was up and running. I seperated the two Red wires apart from each other and bosh. CGMiner fell over with a hardware error.



This must mean these DLink hubs are close to the original USB spec and do require the 5V to work, looks like I'm going to be making a Y cable then. Initially I didn't understand what you meant by "USB wallwart" by Google showed me this which explained it to me.

Rather than doing that, I would prefer to use one of these as I have a spare one laying around the house. Then I can just splice from any USB cable into my pre hacked printer cable. It's getting late here now, so it'll be a job for tomorrow.


I would place the sticks in a way that allows the hot air to go up freely. Either upwards or on the side.

As for this idea, although it does sound like a great idea, but it does seem a bit involved for just 8-10 Block Erupters. I was thinking along the lines of a large metal cylinder (like a biscuit tin) raised up off the ground on legs by a couple of inches (to allow airflow in from the bottom) then a fan blowing air up through the biscuit tin and out the top. Cutting horizontal rectangular slots to fit the hubs through the sides so the the Block Erupters are contained within the tin and have a whirlwind of cold air blowing through them. Like I say, I think I'm over complicating things.  Shocked

To be honest the hottest part of my current setup is my power adaptors sockets for the two DLink hubs, and even they aren't that hot.

I'll update this post tomorrow, once I've worked wonders making a Y cable.

Thanks for the info.
3  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Assistance gratefully rec'd [Reopened] on: September 08, 2014, 02:18:10 PM
Well the good news is that my DLink hubs turned up today and I flung them together and every seems to be working!










Of course I still haven't got around to circumventing the BT home hub repeater so the power figures are a little bit higher than they will be.

The bad news is I'm not 100% sure on the next stage, hence why I've reopened this thread.

I've been reading that I must disconnect the red wire from the RPi's USB (or cut the wire in the lead coming out of it) to prevent power flowing back up into the RPi should the hubs fail. Is this correct?

Also is there anything else that I need to do for my mini Pi factory?

Here's a quick wiring diagram, I've also awaiting on the arrival of another two BE. The theory then will be to start selling BE's and replacing with newer, faster ASICs..



Thanks in advance, I'll await your rePi's (!)
4  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Which USB hub to use with Block Erupters | NanoFury NF1 | BPMC Red Fury | Ant U1 on: September 03, 2014, 12:58:43 PM

I have a couple of 49-port hubs I could use with a PI. What mining software and setup are you using?



Hi MudbankKeith, myself I'm just using Raspbian Wheezy with CGminer 4.5.0 connected to an Orico 10 port hub (only running 5 BE's and a USB fan) on my main PC I've plugged in the other 3 BE's and another USB fan. Hardly ground breaking is it.. 8 BE's, lol.

This morning I ordered two seven port D-Link DUB-H7 USB hubs, then I'll shift all the BE's over to the Pi (and probably buy two additional BE's) then that'll be me.. No point spending anymore money on this kit, although I may look into the faster USB devices such as the Furies
5  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Assistance gratefully rec'd [Solved] on: September 02, 2014, 07:31:12 PM
2 x D-Link DUB-H7's need to be ordered then, thanks for all of your help, support and advise guys
6  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Which USB hub to use with Block Erupters | NanoFury NF1 | BPMC Red Fury | Ant U1 on: September 02, 2014, 07:24:46 PM
OK, thanks for your reply. I am defeated and will cease looking for the holy grail (5A 10 Port USB 2.0 hub)

Two D-Links will have to do
7  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Which USB hub to use with Block Erupters | NanoFury NF1 | BPMC Red Fury | Ant U1 on: September 02, 2014, 06:20:19 PM

D-Link 7 port powered hub was a good one for the Pi

There are lots of others

on page 1 there was a very good guide on which to avoid

Aye, although that only has six usable ports and they do look rather close together :-( I assume it's probably not a great hub for the larger Bitfury's and newer USB devices? should I upgrade later..

Looking at the list on page one, it only comes down to the two 5A hubs, the Anker or the Juiced but both are USB3 which probably wont work with my Pi.. hence I'm stumped in to what will work.. surely somebody knows of a 10 port USB 2 hub with a 4.5A or 5A power supply confirmed working on a Raspberry Pi?
8  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Which USB hub to use with Block Erupters | NanoFury NF1 | BPMC Red Fury | Ant U1 on: September 01, 2014, 08:32:46 PM
hmmm, I'm possibly in a similar boat.. I ordered this from Amazon, then found it on eBay - but cheaper.. :-( However it's not powering all of my ASIC's so I have a question, can I just upgrade the power supply for a stronger 5A one? or should I RMA it and get a different hub for my Raspberry Pi?

EDIT : It's actually taken me, err well I can't see because of the time difference but I'd guess 1h 30m plus to read through from around page 16 to this page.

Along the way I've saved at least 18 pictures which although most were from 2013, I'd still say "wow" to now (hence my noob'ness) but taking that aside, it would seem I've really over paid for my hub.. damn you lack of knowledge.. and seemingly it'll be heading back soon, but still the problem persists, which hub to get?

The bad boy I had earmarked wont work with the Raspberry Pi.. so maybe I'm best off getting two eBay versions of my current hub with the Amazon refund? Dunno, still no clear and concise answer to the question (although I am new and I've a lot of catching  to do) appreciate any help offer, thanks in advance.
9  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: alternative power supply for ANKER hubs? on: September 01, 2014, 08:10:30 PM
Has anyone torn down one of these hubs? I was hoping that as they use 12v PSUs, they might have a proper DC-DC converter inside, rather than a linear regulator which would just burn power to turn that 12v to 5v for USB...

I'm thinking of running multiple USB hubs with 12v inputs from a 100/150W enclosed PSU like this: http://www.rapidonline.com/Electrical-Power/Mean-Well-150W-Chassis-PSU-12V-85-2265



I tore down my ORICO p10 hub, which seems to be an Anker clone, and it did indeed have DC-DC converter chips and inductors, so I expect it's fairly efficient Smiley

My power meter is reading 32W at the wall for 10 USB hashers & the original laptop style PSU - so the loss is only about 7W.

Hi Gingernuts and or anybody else who may know,

My apologies if this is slightly off topic but I have myself just purchased (rightly or wrongly) an Orico P10 hub (P10-U2-BK) and was wondering would I be safe to use a 4.5/5A charger to power it? 3A is sufficient for 5 ASIC's but not for 8! Of course this item is brand new so I'm a little reluctant to tamper with it but equally if it's good for the job then it saves me RMA'ing the Orico and trying to find an alternative. If you could PM me with a reply and thus not needing to continue to deviate off topic! Failing that suggestions on a 10 port hub for use with my Raspberry Pi (which doesn't work USB 3.0 devices)


EDIT : Rec'd the expected "No" from Orico regarding upping the PSU on the hub.. OK time to RMA it and get myself two D-Link 7 port hubs.. A little upset I couldnt find the holy grail!
10  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Assistance gratefully rec'd on: September 01, 2014, 04:26:43 PM

That seems to be the problem! If I recall correctly, the USB Erupters use 0.5A or 2.5W each, so you should be able to run 6 at a time. Sorry ;( Here's a thread with a large list comparing USB Hubs for the Block Erupters: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=253749.0
I guess the invoice could be lower for you to save on customs? A lot of merchants do that, I heard...

Completely correct.. lack of power was definately the problem, and to make it worse, it was completely my own fault. Like a proper numpty I assumed that particular powered hub would of done the job.

What makes it worse is that Amazon even say 2A in their specifications so I should count myself lucky it arrived with an Orico 3A power supply. I've just sent a quick email off to Orico asking for the possibility of the hub being compatible with a 4A or even 5A PSU (fingers crossed) If not, it'll be going back to Amazon and I'll be ordering this bad boy instead. (Thanks to your Which hub to use post)

Arrrgghhh, if I had only become a member here before ordering this stuff!!! yikes!!



Happily working away with 5 x Block Eruptors & one 92cm fan

Really appreciate your assistance, I was over thinking the problem still it worked as an introduction I guess! Thanks again guys, I'll try and be a bit more use in the future, lol!
11  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Assistance gratefully rec'd on: September 01, 2014, 03:17:18 PM
OK, the hub itself is Orico P10-U2-BK and I'm a little annoyed about that to be honest, not only did it take an age to arrive but it also included (in the box) a tiny invoice totalling $18, I purchased it from Amazon for £34, hmmm :-(

Output is 12v @ 3A, I had hoped buying an expensive ten port hub would of sufficed to give me enough power but possibly not..

I've just removed the Pi from the hub, to now be directly powered from a plug (hoping this will free up some power for the Eruptors)

It's currently running and I'll edit this post when I know if the problem is still occurring.

EDIT :




Yes, although it did start a little better it is still occurring, unfortunately I'm short on time but I assume it's a power related issue then?

When I get a little more time I'll try as recommended plugging them in pairs, two by two (like animals going into the ark, hahaha)

Thanks guys, will update later tonight. I really appreciate the quick replys too :-)
12  Bitcoin / Mining support / Assistance gratefully rec'd [Solved] on: September 01, 2014, 02:48:56 PM
Hi guys,

OK, a little about me before I start, I've taken up Bitcoin mining five years too late. I am aware that it's unlikely to make me any money however in doing so I'm learning a little linux, finding out about Bitcoin and generally enjoying my time doing this. I've worked with PC's for many years and consider myself fairly proficient however linux is a different story..

A month or so ago I started Bitcoin mining with my GPU (a lowly 95 Mhash/s) but I thought I was the bee's knee's! hahaha, as I've been learning more I find that statement more and more hilarious. Recently I got a few ASIC's and bolted them onto the front of my PC




Running (via Windows) using command cgminer.exe -o stratum.bitcoin.cz:3333 -u USERNAME -p PASSWORD

Hash rate was just over 1.1 Ghash/s with three Block Eruptors, which I thought wasn't too bad (again in heinsight that is also amusing..)

Then I got myself a Raspberry Pi, fiddled with it (repeatedly over and over until I had achieved what I wanted and boy does it take a long time to rewrite those SD card images. I had to do that at least five times!)

So today my USB hub finally arrived and I removed the three Block Eruptors from my PC and plugged everything together with my Pi.




The power used from the wall socket was a little higher than I had anticipated but that's because I'm using an old BT Home Hub to act as a temporary repeater while I wait for a replacement RJ45 crimping tool to arrive. Also this is peak power and doesn't seem to go above this, normally it's around 4W lower than this but it does fluctuate a little.




So currently I'm running the Homehub, my Pi, a USB Hub and 8 Block Eruptors.




Everything went smoothly until I fired up VNC to ensure the Pi was doing it's job correctly




Running (via Pi) using command sudo cgminer -o stratum.bitcoin.cz:3333 -u USERNAME -p PASSWORD

As you can see seemingly all of the Block Eruptors are taking it in turns to fail, getting disabled, then re-enabled and restarting




Surely this isn't usual (it never did this on the PC although that's not saying much I guess) and I assume something isn't right, the only problem is I don't know what!

I would certainly appreciate your help and suggestions in getting this resolved, I had hoped the hash average to be around 2.6 Ghash/sec although because of all of these interruptions I am currently only getting 1.99 Ghas/sec
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