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181  Bitcoin / Legal / Bank of America legal attack on: December 19, 2015, 01:42:54 PM
 "The US Patent & Trademark Office (USPTO) published 10 patent applications yesterday that were filed by Bank of America in June of last year."
http://www.coindesk.com/bank-of-america-patents/

I think the community need to retaliate.

My idea is this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1187331.0

I think it is time for us to take over  Bank Of America  IP to show them the power of a decentralized system.
And lets start here. If we will start trading coins named as the Bank Of America and using the official logo of the company it can get really interesting.




182  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BOACC] Bank Of America Crypto-currency on: December 19, 2015, 01:23:10 PM
The US Patent & Trademark Office (USPTO) published 10 patent applications yesterday that were filed by Bank of America in June of last year.
http://www.coindesk.com/bank-of-america-patents/

I think it is time for us to take over  Bank Of America  IP to show them the power of a decentralized system.
And lets start here. If we will start trading coins named as the Bank Of America and using the official logo of the company it can get really interesting.

183  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICOKE] Coca-Cola Coin on: December 13, 2015, 09:33:59 AM
The future

184  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network on: November 19, 2015, 09:25:06 AM



This is a rather *critical* aspect of tau to understand, as it is central to both how tau is able to "reject things" as they are coming in to the system, as well as how it is able to retract or "delete" knowledge that it has previously accepted.  When a new block arrives at a node, potentially containing some new facts/rules, it is run through a series of checks.  The block and it's contents are first speculatively added to the KB, and then the reasoner performs a consistency check.  If the block itself is found to be invalid then it is rejected and ignored, and the speculative addition is rolled back.  If the block itself is consistent, then it's contents are each checked for consistency in turn.  If some rule in the incoming block is contradictory to what is in the KB (meaning some rule addition allows the KB to derive false) then the offending fact/rule that was already existing in the KB is considered deleted (retracted) and is removed from the kb for any subsequent reasoning.

For (a trivial and contrived) example, let's say in block 5 it is asserted (by whatever established means in the existing rules, this is unimportant detail) that {<HMC> a tau:SuperAdmin; social:likes food:cheese.} asserting that I am a dairy loving user in a special role, and then in block 10 we decide that this special role is no good, and assert the rule {?x a tau:SuperAdmin}=>false.  During processing of block 10, when it is accepted as a valid next block, the conflict between the new rule and the existing fact is discovered.  The source of the conflict from the KB side is traced to the offending fact from block 5, and this fact is removed from the kb.  The fact that I like cheese remains, block 5 is still considered otherwise valid, and the new rule from block 10 is inserted into the kb.  If block 11 tries to re-assert that I am a super admin, it will fail it's initial consistency check, and will not be accepted.  Now if in another block we later come in and introduce a rule of {{?x a tau:SuperAdmin}=>false}=>false we could then re-assert me as a super admin.  (These could even happen both within the same block, as long as the rule was in an earlier transaction in the block than the fact.)

I am not a computer person but this specific issue is so central on a most fundamental level (I actualy spent an hour arguing with Ohad on this point, having him disagree with me but yet I got up the next day more convinced that I am right,  Shocked so Im trying to argue it again  Grin) I insisting that tau by its design as a clean slate is thus  an ever changing rule machine and as such it will be able to revers any rule to the beginning to the first rule that was established. and.... that is eventually all up to computing power and not just logic.!!!! Logic will enforce removing one or the other contradicting fact once it arise, but what will ditemrani which rule is computing power not seniority. if more power is choosing to run the code with one contradicting rule over the of the other contradicting rule, the next rule is set by the "stronger" not the "earlier".

As long as rules are not contradicting  its all go smooth, also if a change only contradict the logic it will be fix on the next block, but if my interest is one and it contradicts another party interest then the computing power become a voting power. and this is where the tau begin to be really interesting.

In a way the tau is designed for "attacks" its design give the answer to any attack since one will need to invest power in keeping a rule from changing at each block if there is a contradicting interest. Thus if most users will be offended by a new rule they will reject it on the next block and the attacker will have to spend again the same power as in the previews block to maintain the change from being revers. basically such a system is immune to attacks.

But far greater then this, such system is the key to an evolution of a true intelligence. Intelligence is not the ability to learn new rules but to change and exchange existing rules. It is also the most essential character to allow the most economic system of life itself, which is the freedom to make mistakes. Assume a rule according to prediction and change it according to feedback on the results.

So I am yet to understand if the tau is such but again, having the tau start as clean slate in must be such. and that is because the building blocks are not rules, but rather logic carried on by computing power.  

And if I am wrong and the tau rules can not be reversed based on computing power, then is will dry off very fast. and will have to restart every time since it will never be able to fix it self or adjust to meet the best possible results for all participants (game theory style) and will never have the incentives to put computing power into maintaining a voting power.

Lets for example take a rule of making rule, which most likely will be one of the  first rules to be tested. the rule is : "In order to change a rule, over 70% have to vote for it" . Now lets take it step by step.This voting process itself have many layers but the most fundamental layer will be for someone who run the code to submit a change. thus only if 70% submit the change to the code, it can be changed.  Now that is all nice an dandy and from now on even  to change the 70% constituting rule we will need 70%. Well....wrong!!! our intuition assert that but it is not true. If the 70% rule would have been a part of the genesis code of tauchain, then to overrule it you would have to rewrite the tau code. however since it is a rule that is not part of the tau code it can be changed withing the framework of the chain which constituted it!!!!
If anything,  this is the most important feature of the tau, the fact that the code itself is not bound to any rule but to logic framework and the computing power that runs it only.
The 70% rule can be overruled by an offer , say a 35%. by a 51% computing power "attack". but unlike in bitcoin such an "attack" is part of the fair game. It is in actual the most important factor of the game. Unlike bitcoin it is not devastating to the entire ecosystem but rather the incentive itself that prop up the entire ecosystem..
So to recap, just like in life itself the tau will end up running on the verge of the 50% agreement at all times. while power will tend to concentrate to reach that benchmark, it will be decentralized up to the last user. but more so.......

This brings us the the business model of the tauchain  - The Agora tokens of the decentralized super computer!!!!
This Agora fueled mechanism actualy allow each user on the tauchain to put his/her voting power into computing power.
as explained before, Computing power is eventually the ruling power. Thus by using the Agora platform I, as a user, will be able to direct all me power to support my vote.


Yes there is one concern here. a concern that all my resources will go to "fight" for my voice, but I believe that this will happened only at times of chaos. At most times the entire ecosystem will operate on some balance and most users will be able to allocate their resources to different tasks on the network, tasks which meets their broader goals. However at time of need they will be able to pull it out in order to support an essential change in the network constituting rules. The simplicity of  reallocation of power on the tauchain network thru the Agora layer will make the use of the of that supercomputer most appealing to all tau chain participants, thus a good investment in the token.   
185  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network on: November 18, 2015, 09:51:23 PM



This is a rather *critical* aspect of tau to understand, as it is central to both how tau is able to "reject things" as they are coming in to the system, as well as how it is able to retract or "delete" knowledge that it has previously accepted.  When a new block arrives at a node, potentially containing some new facts/rules, it is run through a series of checks.  The block and it's contents are first speculatively added to the KB, and then the reasoner performs a consistency check.  If the block itself is found to be invalid then it is rejected and ignored, and the speculative addition is rolled back.  If the block itself is consistent, then it's contents are each checked for consistency in turn.  If some rule in the incoming block is contradictory to what is in the KB (meaning some rule addition allows the KB to derive false) then the offending fact/rule that was already existing in the KB is considered deleted (retracted) and is removed from the kb for any subsequent reasoning.

For (a trivial and contrived) example, let's say in block 5 it is asserted (by whatever established means in the existing rules, this is unimportant detail) that {<HMC> a tau:SuperAdmin; social:likes food:cheese.} asserting that I am a dairy loving user in a special role, and then in block 10 we decide that this special role is no good, and assert the rule {?x a tau:SuperAdmin}=>false.  During processing of block 10, when it is accepted as a valid next block, the conflict between the new rule and the existing fact is discovered.  The source of the conflict from the KB side is traced to the offending fact from block 5, and this fact is removed from the kb.  The fact that I like cheese remains, block 5 is still considered otherwise valid, and the new rule from block 10 is inserted into the kb.  If block 11 tries to re-assert that I am a super admin, it will fail it's initial consistency check, and will not be accepted.  Now if in another block we later come in and introduce a rule of {{?x a tau:SuperAdmin}=>false}=>false we could then re-assert me as a super admin.  (These could even happen both within the same block, as long as the rule was in an earlier transaction in the block than the fact.)

I am not a computer person but this specific issue is so central on a most fundamental level (I actualy spent an hour arguing with Ohad on this point, having him disagree with me but yet I got up the next day more convinced that I am right,  Shocked so Im trying to argue it again  Grin) I insisting that tau by its design as a clean slate is thus  an ever changing rule machine and as such it will be able to revers any rule to the beginning to the first rule that was established. and.... that is eventually all up to computing power and not just logic.!!!! Logic will enforce removing one or the other contradicting fact once it arise, but what will ditemrani which rule is computing power not seniority. if more power is choosing to run the code with one contradicting rule over the of the other contradicting rule, the next rule is set by the "stronger" not the "earlier".

As long as rules are not contradicting  its all go smooth, also if a change only contradict the logic it will be fix on the next block, but if my interest is one and it contradicts another party interest then the computing power become a voting power. and this is where the tau begin to be really interesting.

In a way the tau is designed for "attacks" its design give the answer to any attack since one will need to invest power in keeping a rule from changing at each block if there is a contradicting interest. Thus if most users will be offended by a new rule they will reject it on the next block and the attacker will have to spend again the same power as in the previews block to maintain the change from being revers. basically such a system is immune to attacks.

But far greater then this, such system is the key to an evolution of a true intelligence. Intelligence is not the ability to learn new rules but to change and exchange existing rules. It is also the most essential character to allow the most economic system of life itself, which is the freedom to make mistakes. Assume a rule according to prediction and change it according to feedback on the results.

So I am yet to understand if the tau is such but again, having the tau start as clean slate in must be such. and that is because the building blocks are not rules, but rather logic carried on by computing power.  

And if I am wrong and the tau rules can not be reversed based on computing power, then is will dry off very fast. and will have to restart every time since it will never be able to fix it self or adjust to meet the best possible results for all participants (game theory style) and will never have the incentives to put computing power into maintaining a voting power.
186  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: The Moral Alliance for Redistribution of Wealth on: November 18, 2015, 05:28:57 AM
So this is like another approach to communism or something like that? Lets give everyone their share and see what will happen?
Unfortunately as we know from history this is not possible to equally distribute wealth it can be achieved for short period of time.

I too, think that current wealth distribution is not good and I would very much like to change it, but giving money to poor is not the best option.
And honestly I am not sure what needs to be done about that, to make things better and not worse.

here is a link to one of a few explanation how an why wealth have been stolen from thous who are now poor. giving back money and mostley resources which was stolen by the rich in the beginning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0cBeNP9Ddw  
187  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [IDISNEY] Disney Coin on: November 16, 2015, 02:49:00 PM
Explaining my coins on an interview with Robert Ross on the LTB radio show ( start minute 4:39) https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/xcp-update-11-15-art-and-tokens
188  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICOKE] Coca-Cola Coin on: November 16, 2015, 02:46:50 PM
Explaining my tokens on an interview with Robert Ross on the LTB radio show (from minute 4:39) https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/xcp-update-11-15-art-and-tokens
189  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [IDISNEY] Disney Coin on: November 10, 2015, 05:53:38 PM
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So, you want to trust theymos to protect people from their own stupidity? Did I got that right?

I guess our own stupidity is one good reason we need trust.  Also people just dont want to have to trust themselves for doing thing right.



Why is this comment deleted. it talks about trust. and one of the reason we need it. that is a very important topic in the bitcoin community.


makes me wonder.....




MICKEY: Do you think that the moderators will delete this too?

MINNIE: By law they can even delete our entire thread.

MICKEY: But if they will delete our thread, we are going to be deleted too.

MINNIE: Noone can delete a toon, not even Disney.

 




MICKEY: Who is this Theymos anyway?

MINNIE: That was the topic of the deleted post: " Topic: Is Theymos anonymous?"

MICKEY: Anonymous like Satoshi?

MINNIE: Yes, but not Satoshi.

MICKEY: Anonymouse like Mickeymouse?  

MINNIE: Yes, but not a mouse.





MICKEY: Is he also the person who run the forum?

MINNIE: That's what they say.  

MICKEY: So he is not a Mouse.  

MINNIE: Just a person.  




MICKEY: Minnie, what's with the images?

MINNIE: Just cant make my mind.


This


This


Or this


MICKEY: You really want us deleted.  

MINNIE: No, I'm just playing.  

190  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICOKE] Coca-Cola Coin on: November 10, 2015, 04:03:05 PM
NILI, is there a link for the interview?  podcast?  Info please.

it will be on LTB https://letstalkbitcoin.com/ under the counterparty weekly update this coming sunday. Robert Ross who is the community director, is doing the interviews.   

The interview will air on LTB on Sunday Nov. 15th
191  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [IDISNEY] Disney Coin on: November 10, 2015, 03:53:44 PM
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So, you want to trust theymos to protect people from their own stupidity? Did I got that right?

I guess our own stupidity is one good reason we need trust.  Also people just dont want to have to trust themselves for doing thing right.



Why is this comment deleted. it talks about trust. and one of the reason we need it. that is a very important topic in the bitcoin community.


makes me wonder.....




MICKEY: Do you think that the moderators will delete this too?

MINNIE: By law they can even delete our entire thread.

MICKEY: But if they will delete our thread, we are going to be deleted too.

MINNIE: Noone can delete a toon, not even Disney.

 




MICKEY: Who is this Theymos anyway?

MINNIE: That was the topic of the deleted post: " Topic: Is Theymos anonymous?"

MICKEY: Anonymous like Satoshi?

MINNIE: Yes, but not Satoshi.

MICKEY: Anonymouse like Mickeymouse?  

MINNIE: Yes, but not a mouse.





MICKEY: Is he also the person who run the forum?

MINNIE: That's what they say. 

MICKEY: So he is not a Mouse. 

MINNIE: Just a person. 

192  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [IDISNEY] Disney Coin on: November 10, 2015, 03:38:08 PM
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So, you want to trust theymos to protect people from their own stupidity? Did I got that right?

I guess our own stupidity is one good reason we need trust.  Also people just dont want to have to trust themselves for doing thing right.



Why is this comment deleted. it talks about trust. and one of the reason we need it. that is a very important topic in the bitcoin community.


makes me wonder.....




MICKEY: Do you think that the moderators will delete this too?

MINNIE: By law they can even delete our entire thread.

MICKEY: But if they will delete our thread, we are going to be deleted too.

MINNIE: Noone can delete a toon, not even Disney.

 




MICKEY: Who is this Theymos anyway?

MINNIE: That was the topic of the deleted post: " Topic: Is Theymos anonymous?"

MICKEY: Anonymous like Satoshi?

MINNIE: Yes, but not Satoshi.

MICKEY: Anonymouse like Mickeymouse?  

MINNIE: Yes, but not a mouse.
193  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [IDISNEY] Disney Coin on: November 10, 2015, 11:35:51 AM
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So, you want to trust theymos to protect people from their own stupidity? Did I got that right?

I guess our own stupidity is one good reason we need trust.  Also people just dont want to have to trust themselves for doing thing right.



Why is this comment deleted. it talks about trust. and one of the reason we need it. that is a very important topic in the bitcoin community.

makes me wonder.....




MICKEY: Do you think that the moderators will delete this too?

MINNIE: By law they can even delete our entire thread.

MICKEY: But if they will delete our thread, we are going to be deleted too.

MINNIE: Noone can delete a toon, not even Disney.

 
194  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [IDISNEY] Disney Coin on: November 10, 2015, 10:46:33 AM
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So, you want to trust theymos to protect people from their own stupidity? Did I got that right?

I guess our own stupidity is one good reason we need trust.  Also people just dont want to have to trust themselves for doing thing right.



Why is this comment deleted. it talks about trust. and one of the reason we need it. that is a very important topic in the bitcoin community.

makes me wonder.....
195  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] [ITOYOTA] Toyota Coin on: November 08, 2015, 11:14:17 AM
MICKEY: He didn't even ask for a free coin.
MINNIE: True.
MICKEY: So is he worth anything for us?

The value, here, is not in the money but in the message.

Your worth, to me, is nothing to do with your coin and everything to do with your perspective.
I don't want the coin, I want the continuation of the endeavor itself.

The coin is not fun.  The presentation is the fun.  (So that is where the value is!)

You give us much more than the coin token ever could.

Don't stop the performance of the art for the sake of the performance of the coin, such would be a tragedy!

...NO WORRIES...


I am going to take this approach to a full realization.  
I will not sell any coins for money.
If any one will want my coins they will have to invest their time, attention and words.
basically I dont want your money people, I want you. I value you and your participation, not your money.
196  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICOKE] Coca-Cola Coin on: November 08, 2015, 11:07:10 AM
MICKEY: He didn't even ask for a free coin.
MINNIE: True.
MICKEY: So is he worth anything for us?

The value, here, is not in the money but in the message.

Your worth, to me, is nothing to do with your coin and everything to do with your perspective.
I don't want the coin, I want the continuation of the endeavor itself.

The coin is not fun.  The presentation is the fun.  (So that is where the value is!)

You give us much more than the coin token ever could.

Don't stop the performance of the art for the sake of the performance of the coin, such would be a tragedy!

...NO WORRIES...


I am going to take this approach to a full realization.  
I will not sell any coins for money.
If any one will want my coins they will have to invest their time, attention and words.
basically I dont want your money people, I want you. I value you and your participation, not your money.
197  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [IDISNEY] Disney Coin on: November 08, 2015, 11:05:54 AM
MICKEY: He didn't even ask for a free coin.
MINNIE: True.
MICKEY: So is he worth anything for us?

The value, here, is not in the money but in the message.

Your worth, to me, is nothing to do with your coin and everything to do with your perspective.
I don't want the coin, I want the continuation of the endeavor itself.

The coin is not fun.  The presentation is the fun.  (So that is where the value is!)

You give us much more than the coin token ever could.

Don't stop the performance of the art for the sake of the performance of the coin, such would be a tragedy!

...NO WORRIES...


I am going to take this approach to a full realization.  
I will not sell any coins for money.
If any one will want my coins they will have to invest their time, attention and words.
basically I dont want your money people, I want you. I value you and your participation, not your money.

198  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICOKE] Coca-Cola Coin on: November 08, 2015, 10:40:08 AM
Tauchain, the next technology, explaind on LTB https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/lets-talk-bitcoin-261-understanding-tauchains
199  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICOKE] Coca-Cola Coin on: November 05, 2015, 10:56:54 PM
NILI, is there a link for the interview?  podcast?  Info please.

it will be on LTB https://letstalkbitcoin.com/ under the counterparty weekly update this coming sunday. Robert Ross who is the community director, is doing the interviews.   
200  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [IDISNEY] Disney Coin on: November 05, 2015, 12:13:44 PM
This coming Sunday Nov 8th LTB (Lets Talk Bitcoin) will air an interview with me in which I present and explain the Art concept of my coins and their value base .
 

If the interview will get some attention it may create some interest in my coins. Interest can be translated int0 value.
However I will try to use that to increase value by creating reputation and trust.

So: pay attention!

1.Beginning today through Sunday Nov. 15th anyone who will post a comment on Coca-Cola Coin thread or on Disney Coin thread will earn at least one coin per comment. I will reword you with more coins if your comments are intelligent and worth reading. (negative or positive comments will be value the same, It is the time you take to write and learn about the coin which matters)

2. The price in which I will offer the coins to sell on the market will be the price which is marked at the beginning of each thread : 0.01 Bitcoin for a Coca-Cola Coin and 0.02 Bitcoin for a Disney Coin.

3. In order to get your coins you will have to send me your address as a PM massage.






 
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