That's a great point, as long as it works it doesn't matter where it came from.  The basic idea behind what their trying to build has been floating around for some time, earliest I had heard it discussed was cloakcoin, but it's likely the idea was around before that.  The plan is simple; build an anonymous currency, and with a decentralized market to prevent government shut downs and exit scams, you have the first real successor to the silk road, and a platform that could see some serious cash flow (it's estimated that over a billion in USD went through the Silk Road).

It's such a good idea, that it has been used by as least 5 different scams that I can name off the top of my head; Cloak, Razor, Stealthcoin, Sling, and Crave, all of these playing off of the same promise of a decentralized anonymous market.

Personally, I think it's more of "when" rather than "if" something like this is made, and if you spot it early, you've found a gold mine so to speak.

For now I am leaning towards cautious optimism about the Shadow Project (have been for a while).  But for anyone that doubts the project, the question you should be asking is "if not Shadow, then who?",  the potential for a project like this is too great for me to believe that no one is actively pursuing it.  There are other projects focused on improving anonymity, and there are projects that are working on decentralized markets, but to the best of my knowledge no other project is attempting to do both, and to be honest I find that somewhat perplexing.

1. I'll use a real world example, lets say I work at a restaurant as a server, I quit my job and start a new restaurant as a manager.  Anything wrong with that? Nope, though people at the old place might be salty, sure.  Also, just because Cinni folded doesn't mean it was a scam, in this industry even the legit projects are susceptible to huge price spikes (remember December 2013?)

2 & 3 Ok I answered your question about the votes, the answer is there were none, and that the team was not obligated to have one in either cutting POW short or in skipping the review.  Perhaps you missed my earlier post? And to be honest I have never heard anyone but you talk about a vote, it feels like you're just making shit up.

4. With the way you've been acting, I don't think they care enough to refund you.  You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

5. Dasource says that ShadowSend V2 is not Cryptonote because they coded it from the ground up, they didn't copy and paste anything from cryptonote and he wanted to get that point across, if you want to argue that it ripped off cryptonote, you might as well argue all cars are a ripoff of the Model T.  Also would like to reiterate that the cryptonote whitepaper was referenced in the Shadowsend whitepaper.

If you want to argue back any of these points be my guest, but don't ignore me and act like no one ever answered.

"facepalm"

-Is Zuener still working on the review?
    - no he is not, and I actually do agree you should be refunded.
-Why was the review abandoned?
    - The review was abandoned for now because they decided to keep working on further additions instead of documentation, as we have have seen reduced ring signatures since then and an HD wallet.  I feel it was a good move to put the review on hold, maybe you disagree, but there is nothing nefarious about what they did.
-Why did the SDC Team not admit the CN roots of SSv2 from the outset?
    - To the best of my knowledge they did, the reference was in the whitepaper.
-  Where is the evidence of a vote taking place for
      a.) the abandonment of the review or
      b.) the reduction in emission after only a few days of PoW.
    - I don't recall a community vote for either of these, if they referred to a vote it was likely one within the dev team itself, I don't buy that they are  required to consult the community to make those kind of decisions

- As for your last 2 question, well they kind of go into the realm of conspiracy theory, and I cannot give an answer that would satisfy you.

Have things gone perfect for this coin? no I don't think they have, there have been real issues, but also real progress.  I think the team has vision, and if you decide you're not interested fine, but please drop the constant negativity towards this project.

P.S. they have been working on documentation, but it's not a priority, they feel that having that market out and working is more important, and I agree.  Besides the more work that is done, the more attention Shadow will get, and thus it will be easier to get the code reviewed.


Well Smooth I agree with "letting the chips fall where they may" to a point, but you have to understand that Shadow's original ANN thread was hit with some of the largest amount mudslinging I have ever seen on the net, and most threads I've seen are like that.  Monero's thread is 1411 pages long, kind of hard to sift though.  And hey, big surprise that you guys moved away this website for news and announcements and went to your own forum, and if Aeon picks up traction I'd be willing to bet you will do the same thing there.  Shadow's ANN thread is still its main announcement thread, and for that reason it makes perfect sense to keep it moderated.  If they move away from BTCT, well it might make sense to leave the thread unmoderated, but not right now.

I feel I may have come at you a bit strong before, you have said good things about the project, I shouldn't accuse you of slander, so I apologize for that.  That being said I feel most of Child_Harold's points are rooted in his own frustration than anything else, if the price were higher he wouldn't be complaining, he is offloading his financial frustration onto management decisions he disagrees with.

Now I really would love for this thread to just die, and that the tone of these discussions would just ease up a bit, I'm sure we'd all like that.

Smooth, the only reason you are here is because you want to make a competitor look bad, if this were a thread criticizing monero or aeon, I think you would most likely have agreed with my post.  I have many issues with the way monero has conducted itself, but nonetheless I respect that you and the rest of your team are professionals, and for that reason I don't waste my time slandering you, even if I take some issues about with how monero has been run.

As for calling a moderated thread a red flag well, should I start spamming the fuck out of this thread with memes? Would that make it obvious why a coin can't keep an un-moderated thread?  Keeping the main thread moderated is the only way to keep actually relevant information from getting buried in an ocean of fud and spam.

What I am hoping for is some amount of civility, and discussion that is not charged with emotion (particularly negative ones).  Child_Harold is now going out of his way to slander a specific project, one that despite thin documentation, has gotten some real work done.  This is not the type of discourse that is acceptable in a civilized society.

Child_Harold, I really don't get what you hope to gain by posting in this thread.  Do you expect an apology from the dev team? a refund?  The fact is you invested money into an extremely volatile industry and are now butthurt that it didn't make you rich, you need to accept that no one else is responsible for your misfortunes.  You may not like how the Shadow team has conducted itself, but the fact remains that it is still a legit project, like it or not.  To single out the Shadow project like you are, is to put it frankly juvenile.

So I reiterate, you have nothing to gain here, you are wasting your time slandering a project that has gotten some real work done and ignoring the mountain of scam coins that get made every day.

Stop this vendetta of yours, and get on with your damn life.

Does this mean TPTB will be working on Aeon now?

You know you could've done that a few months ago, instead of just being a whiny entitled douche.

I like it as is, if I don't need a scroll bar I don't want to see it.  What you call a problem is really just your own personal taste.

Exactly, they said they were working towards quarter 2, but that is in no way a guarantee, or a set deadline.

Well done!  Wow that new wallet really looks sharp, can't wait to check it out, Team Shadow delivers once again.

Or the fact that 2 accounts on Bittrex control 60% of the total coin supply.  A person would have to be mentally ill to buy into this coin at this point.

Also done, it's very easy to sell a project when it has so much going for it.

Going to also ask that ShadowCash be added.

The Shadow Project has:

- Cryptonote implementation on a pos bitcoin fork, and utilizing a token system where coins can switch between and anonymous and transparent state, the only one like it.
      - The first coin to open-source a stealth address system, which many others have since taken advantage of.
- One of the nicest wallets in the industry, which makes use of HTML.
- Encrypted messaging in wallet
- A very large and very active Dev-team, with both full and part-time members
- Solid distribution

And also in development is:
- HD wallet
- Mobile wallet with anon send
- A decentralized p2p marketplace

It is one of the best and most underrated projects in cryptography, and it clearly deserves to be added.

First batch of ShadowMarket questions is answered here: http://aboutshadow.com/index.php/shadowmarket/q-a

God these last few pages have been painful to read through.

Here's what I'll say to anyone complaining; the devs don't own you anything, they don't owe you a finished product, they don't owe you an update.

Everyone that is here is a leech that is hoping they can get rich quick off of the hard work of others that are more talented than themselves, myself included.  Now stop complaining.

They may a release today, or tomorrow, could be next month, or next year.  I can wait, I am a patient man, and the devs of this coin have proved themselves, so I know that whatever, whenever we see, will be worth the wait.

If you cannot stand waiting, if you are too impatient, then dump your coins and leave quietly, show some basic human decency, have some dignity.  Stop cluttering this forum with this crap.

Anyone that dumps right now will get burned.  Don't take the bait, you've been warned.

True, but having a more lightweight download might still be desirable for some, and would take minimal effort from the dev team to make it happen.  I think its worth looking into.

^^ Since it works independently from the blockchain, would it maybe be possible to release a Shadowchat client separately?  Some people might be interested in the chat but not the cash system.  Just a thought.

Alty is NOT on the Shadow Dev team, he's just an investor, stop lying to people

And I have a question for you Emilio, how much money did you lose on XST? I was there too and invested when Long and Short pulled the rug out from under that project, but you know what? I moved on.  I was so angry at first, I was especially pissed at LongandShort, but the more I read into the projects the more I realized he was right, and I moved my money over to Shadowcash, remade all my money and then some.  You are still butt-hurt about something that happened 6 months ago and continue to trash one of the best projects in crypto because you can't let go of a grudge.  Now you've moved over to a new P&D Crave.  You are either a sockpuppet for a pump group or seriously one of the dumbest people I have ever come across, either way you need shut the fuck up.