We can agree to disagree I guess.


I don't know the extent of your involvement with the Arizona Medical Marijuana industry, so I can't say whether or not your even qualified to know whether its the truth or not.


If you don't believe me though, please go find a random medical marijuana patient in Arizona and ask them for yourself. There are NUMEROUS medical marijuana forums for Arizona for you to find a patient to ask. I realize that you don't trust me. So go ask a random patient. I'm confident that you'll get the same answer that I gave you.


You really don't have to take my word for it.. Please don't hesitate to confirm that what I'm telling you is true.

Which point did you disagree with sir?



It would be silly to suggest that I have some person vendetta against DeltaNine or HWC. I don't know the man personally and I have nothing against the dispensary that he works for.


Of course I will apologize if I made an incorrect statement.


I've already apologized for ASSUMING that DeltaNine was an Owner of HWC.

I've also been very clear to point out that DeltaNine clearly works for SOME Arizona dispensary.

I've also said that it seems incredibly unlikely that the dispensary that DeltaNine works for is "some other dispensary" other than HWC. It just doesn't make sense that DeltaNine would introduce Cannabis Coin at a competitors dispensary before introducing it at his own dispensary.



I'm not ashamed to admit if I was wrong. Just let me know

Again, your clearly not acknowledging that I've yet to be proven incorrect about the ownership details because we've yet to find out which dispensary DeltaNine actually works for.

Keeping in mind that I DONT BELIEVE THE PROPOSED STORY that DeltaNine works for "some other dispensary" that isn't HWC. That just isn't believable and until there is proof to the contrary, we really have to assume that it's HWC that DeltaNine works for. The other option is preposterous.


Please keep an open mind

This may just be the easiest question I've taken all day.


Is DeltaNine lying if he says that the Herbal Wellness Center is the largest dispensary in Arizona??



YES, he is LYING to you.


The Herbal Wellness Center is not the biggest dispensary in Arizona, and they are NOT regarded as the Apple Store of Marijuana. These are claims made only by the HWC in an effort to promote their dispensary.


The dispensary itself is actually quite nice inside, but it is located in MARYVALE which is the straight GHETTO. Please don't take my word for it, even Wikipedia makes mention of how bad this part of town really is!!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryvale_%28Phoenix%29


Thanks

What your saying is that because you think that I made one claim that was wrong, that every point that I make thereafter is automatically wrong as well?


I can't contend with that logic. If you're not able to read a forum post and distinguish between what you believe to be true from what you don't believe, I'm afraid there's just no helping you. Normal people generally read what someone says, and then either agree or disagree with each specific point.


You seem to operate on a different system that leads you to believe that if someone was mistaken about 1 thing, they must be mistaken about everything.


Did you want a fair chance to address my actual comment?


Clearly DeltaNine works for SOME dispensary and the story that your asking us all to believe is that he works for "some other dispensary" and not HWC. And you also want us to believe that instead of introducing Cannabis Coin at his own dispensary, DeltaNine opted to introduce it as his competitors dispensary instead...?


That's what you want us to believe, despite the much more logical conclusion that DeltaNine works for HWC..??


Yikes...
 

When your told that HWC is the largest dispensary in the state of Arizona and your also told that "HWC is the "Mac / Apple Store of Marijuana", and then you find out that NONE OF THAT is true, doesn't that then create some questions within your own head? Does it create any doubt? Do you at least wonder why you were lied to?!?!?


I know that some of you are blithering idiots but some of you are clearly intelligent people and I know some of you are starting to connect the dots here!


Does the question every arise; "Why would Cannabis Coin lie to me about HWC being the biggest dispensary in Arizona?"


Or even; "Why is there only ONE dispensary that is willing to accept this coin, when clearly DeltaNine could have setup 10 dispensaries to all accept CANN by 10/20 if the dispensaries were willing to do so?"


I'm not perfect, and never claimed to be. I'm just trying to speak what I believe to be the truth. Your perfectly within your rights to disagree with me.

LOL haven't we cleared this up like 100 times?

I was the one who pointed out that Long Ngyuen was the registered owner of the HWC, and that none of us has any idea what DeltaNine's real name is.


We have yet to be told which dispensary DeltaNine works for, but he must work for someone. If he is supplying HWC with his "OG Kush CANNdy", then by law he must be employed by ONE of the licensed dispensaries in Arizona.


You're quick to point out that I was technically wrong about the ownership details, but your not so quick to recognize that my assertion that DeltaNine works for SOME dispensary simply MUST be true. (Lest we suggest that DeltaNine is breaking the law by illegally transferring marijuana to a dispensary...)


What your asking me to believe is that DeltaNine works for "some other dispensary" other than HWC, but opted to test the Cannabis Coin out on a dispensary that wasn't his own rather than first accepting Cannabis Coin at his own dispensary. That doesn't sound realistic or logical and it's just hard to swallow. Sorry if that makes me unpopular.



Sorry for any confusion my post caused

I too would encourage you to ignore me if you already have your mind made up and/or refuse to listen to reasonable arguments that may not reflect your current opinion. If you do not care to know what I'm telling you, then don't listen.


I've said it time and time again. I'm not talking to YOU. I'm talking to the BRAND NEW person who isn't a Bitcointalk regular and knows nothing of cryptocurrency. You've clearly made up your mind already and won't listen to any other opinions other than your own. Common sense and logic have been lost on you. Feel free to tune out. Your a lost cause.


I'm talking to the lonely arizona medical marijuana patient who thought that buying Cannabis Coin would allow them to buy their marijuana for 6 cents per gram.


I'm just trying to inform THE PATIENTS that the picture that was painted for them appears to be slightly different than what actually exists in reality.

Be honest...


Have you actually read ANY of the points that I've made today? And if so, do you really disagree with ALL of my points?


I can't imagine that you could actually disagree with everything I've said because frankly, some of the things that I said are indisputable.


I understand that I told you some information that you didn't want to hear. But I'm not sure if someone having a different opinion than your own automatically makes the other person a "FUDDER" or similar. It's merely a difference of opinion and perhaps a little miscommunication too.


If you literally disagree with everything that I've said, then you clearly aren't keeping an open mind about what your reading.

I can tell that your starting to see my perspective, even if you don't 100% agree with me.


My concerns are quite real.


Dynamite, I totally agree that IF DeltaNine allowed patients to exchange 10 CANN for 10 grams of CANNdy, that would be an awesome deal!


But that isn't available today. And I know, I know. The "plan" is to allow for a REAL exchange program (10 CANN for 10 grams) and to expand the program to multiple dispensaries. I completely understand that's the "plan."


I also know that the "plan" isn't what we're faced with today.


From an investment standpoint, its smart to think about tomorrow and the future in general. If this is an investment for you, continue to think forward.


But from a patient advocate standpoint, I don't give a shiz about tomorrow because tomorrow doesn't help patients TODAY. Only things that exist TODAY will help patients TODAY.


And TODAY, we have a program that allows patients to obtain ONE pre-rolled Joint in exchange for 1 Cann, but only if you promise to purchase another product at full retail price.


Where I'm from, that's called BUY ONE, GET ONE FREE. They do the same promotion at the local PAYLESS SHOE STORE. If I promise to buy 1 pair of shoes, they'll give me the second pair at a discounted price.


Same concept here; If I promise to buy 1 other item at retail cost, THEN they'll give me a joint at a discounted price.


Which is of course is precisely what makes this a "promotion" by any definition.


When I can walk into a dispensary with 20 CANN and exchange it for 20 grams, that will be real. That isn't this yet...

Yea I used to sneak online in the middle of the night when I was teenager too.


Don't worry, I won't tell your parents that your staying up past your bedtime...

Are you supposed to be using the Internet without your parents permission??  

If your comment were true, it would only further validate my point that the Cannabis Coin is an internal promotion by HWC geared towards generating revenue and getting new patients to come in to HWC.


Remember that only 35% of the 50,000 Arizona medical marijuana patients actually shop at dispensaries.

Now eliminate any patients that don't live within a reasonable driving distance of 43rd Avenue and Indian School.

Now eliminate any patients who refuse to drive or take the BUS to the GHETTO to buy their medical marijuana (Don't get it twisted people, 43rd Ave and Indian School is NOT a nice part of town by any stretch of the imagination)


Who is left standing to benefit from the Cannabis Coin?


The patient who can't possibly go to HWC because it's too far away? Does that person stand to benefit from Cannabis Coin?


The patient who doesn't buy from the dispensaries at all? Does that person stand to benefit from Cannabis Coin?


The patient who is too old, too sick, or too dumb to devote time and energy to using Cann? Does that person stand to benefit from Cannabis Coin?



Unless told otherwise, I am assuming that Cannabis Coin really ONLY benefits a medical marijuana patient who already currently shops at HWC.


That would be the only person who would stand to benefit from buying Cann.

It matters because it's incredibly dishonest for a dispensary to lure medical marijuana patients into their dispensary under the guise that they're giving the patient marijuana for 6 cents a gram, when in ACTUALITY the dispensary is offering to sell you ONE 6 cent pre-rolled joint, but ONLY if you promise to buy something first.


The policy is NOT, "Come on in to our dispensary and if you have 40 Cann you can leave with 40 grams of marijuana"

If it were that way, that would again add to the legitimacy of the Cannabis Coin. But it isn't that way.. Instead;


The policy is, "Come on in to our dispensary and if you buy something, I'll sell you this joint for 6 cents/1 CANN"


That's a freaking sales promotion!!!! I don't care how you want to word it. I can ONLY obtain 1 pre-rolled joint with CANN, and that's IF I give the dispensary my USD?? Wait, what??


This marketing strategy is no different than your local grocery store putting milk on sale. They put the dam milk on sale at a low price so that you'll come in the door, window shop, and hopefully by something else on impulse. This isn't new marketing per-say...


If I could walk in and buy a joint for 6 cents, that would be awesome. But that isn't the case, is it??

I would agree that prior to typing my first forum response, I had already formed an opinion about Cannabis Coin.


That opinion remains the very same to this moment;


IF Cannabis Coin becomes universally accepted at a majority of dispensaries, then it will be a viable option for patients.


IF Cannabis Coin can ONLY be exchanged for marijuana at the Herbal Wellness Center, and no other dispensaries, then clearly that is just a glorified sales promotion concocted by HWC to get you in the door of their dispensary.


I will acknowledge that the evidence that I read lead me to the latter opinion, that it's likely just a marketing gimmick to get patients to shop at Herbal Wellness Center. I HOPE I'm wrong. But only time will tell I suppose.


In the meantime, you can't possibly recommend that all 50,000 Arizona patients convert to CANN when only a small percentage of those patients actually shop at GWC. That would be just nuts.


Thanks

Don't agree with what I wrote? IGNORE ME.


I'm not speaking to you anyways.


I'm speaking to the person who came here looking for answers about Cannabis Coin and who is willing to read what I, and everyone else wrote, and then form an educated opinion of their own based on what they read.


Some of you guys are simply out of touch with reality... One guy talking about "DeltaNine can open as many dispensaries as he wants!", another talking about "what if there are fake patients?", yet another proclaiming that he's gonna "get 10 grams of WEED in exchange for 10 CANN, which was only 60 cents" Clearly, many of you have absolutely no idea how Arizona's dispensary system operates. I've been trying to share that information with you, but with very little luck.


Like I said, you all don't have to listen to me. But your local dispensary owner will.



Good vibes!

I'm not against patients having more options.


I AM against trying to convert all medical marijuana patients to Cannabis Coin, which as of today would require patients with CANN to exchange their CANN for medicine at HWC only.


YES, I can exchange 1 CANN for 1 pre-rolled joint at HWC. Cool.


That is NOT a reason to justify asking 50,000 freaking patients to convert to Cannabis Coin!!!



That IS a reason to ask current HWC customer's to buy a Cannabis Coin though, because current HWC customers can now grab a 6 cent joint on their next visit...


My boots are on the ground here in Arizona. Thats why I tried to share some knowledge with you all about the crazy dynamics in Arizona's marijuana industry.


I plan to speak the truth to you and to anyone who will listen, which includes dispensaries and patients alike.


Many of you were quick to label me as FUD, when in reality I'm just an on-the-fencer. 


Don't forget; I found you all by mistake! LOL!


If I feel that Cann is a real option for patients to obtain low cost medicine, then I'll jump on board and promote the Cannabis Coin to patients and dispensaries alike.


But if I feel that Cannabis Coin is simply a glorified sales promotion concocted by a dispensary to generate revenue or that they are trying to force other dispensaries to buy D9's "CANNdy", then I intend to let the dispensaries hear that side of it too.


Remember, you can press IGNORE on me all day long, but the dispensary owners WILL listen to both sides of the story. THAT is what "I'll make sure of."

If all of my points are as off-track as you all say they are, you shouldn't worry. If my points are valid, I imagine that the other dispensary owners will come to that conclusion during our sit-down discussion. Because remember kids, in REAL LIFE you don't get to scream "FUDDER" and run away. That just isn't a real option in life.



Sending positive vibes!
 

Thanks for your comments!


I've continually prefaced my comments by saying that IF other dispensaries start to accept Cannabis Coin as payment, then the Cannabis Coin system will become legitimate.


I understand that ONE dispensary is "supposed" to be just the beginning. But that's my POINT. RIGHT NOW, the Cannabis Coin is not YET a real option with only ONE dispensary accepting them. WHEN there are numerous dispensaries that accept them, my opinion will most certainly change.


It sounds like we BASICALLY agree that;

a) Cannabis Coin has the potential to be HUGE once the majority of dispensaries accept it

b) CURRENTLY, Cann is in its infant stage and can only be accepted at ONE dispensary and as such, the Cannabis Coin is NOT YET a viable option for every medical marijuana patient in Arizona.



I assure you that I'm not from another dispensary. But if I were, it would illustrate my point perfectly that everyone in Arizona's medical marijuana community can't seem to get along..


IDK what a non-legal marijuana dealer is.. Our State does allow patients to sell medical marijuana to another patient, but that wouldn't be illegal by anyone's definition.

I won't argue that a $5 joint is better than a $10 joint. That logic is not lost on me. I do agree with you.


What I'm saying is that it's only a good deal IF I shop at that particular dispensary... If I shop in a different dispensary or if I live in a different city other than Phoenix, purchasing Cannabis Coin as payment for my medicine is not a smart decision.


This is NOT something that should be recommended for PATIENTS STATEWIDE, rather it is clearly an AWESOME deal for patients who already shop at Herbal Wellness Center. If you had to drive to HWC from Mesa, it would no longer be a good deal. (And FYI, Mesa isn't even THAT far from Phoenix..)



If more dispensaries accept CANN, then it becomes legitimate. Otherwise, it's essentially just the Herbal Wellness Center giving you 1 super cheap joint every time you come in and buy something from their dispensary.



Thanks for being respectful of my unpopular opinion

Simple. Universal acceptance among the majority of dispensaries.


Until more dispensaries accept the Cannabis Coin, it simply won't be a viable option for patients.


Right now, I can only spend my Cannabis Coin at ONE dispensary and as it turns out, I probably have to BUY SOMETHING to be allowed the opportunity to trade my measly ONE CANN in exchange for a pre-rolled joint... LIMIT ONE COIN PER CUSTOMER.. LOL! That's just a glorified BUY ONE JOINT, GET ONE JOINT FREE promotion, isn't it??


This is only a good deal if I currently shop at HWC. If I don't shop at HWC, or if I can't exchange my CANN for the marijuana that I actually need, why in the fork would I turn to Cannabis Coin as my payment solution?


For an opportunity to get a 6 cent joint, if I promise to buy another joint of equal or lesser value???


I realize what you want this to become, but it isn't that YET. I'm not saying it can't become that, but it isn't there today.


Thanks