It's way more awesome how willing you are to fully admit your crimes online. =)
High ^5

Next time though, you might just want to keep your mouth shut after you hack and extort your victims.
Also, avoid twitter.

Oh, and you should also consider photos you put online using different handles which are connected to you.
That exif data is a bitch. Not every website wipes it like Facebook does.

=)

-When he is in the US, I really dont see any problem that conviction would fail. I dont require that he is persecuted in Europe, if he gets a 50 dollar fine in the US thats already a conviction.

No, I think the problem is that I assumed someone with 100btc bounty out would have legally prepared before they invested 100btc on an informants tip.

Considering (from your end) your hacker could be 1 person in billions of people who exist...no lawyer would have told you to expect a conviction in the end because from your end there are way to many unknown variables. If a lawyer had actually sat down with you already, he would have explained that to you during a basic consultation.

So, I think what you actually did was place a simple police report - and since they did not value your case as priority, you decided to put out 100btc bounty hoping that someone would finally get motivated to pay attention to it. Weather that was a friend of the hacker, someone like me who is skilled in locating absconded individuals online, or the Law Enforcement who didn't pursue this from the start.

I'm also confident that the agency you reported to did absolutely no investigation (or a minimal one). If they had, it would have taken them less than 24 hour to identify DD4BC from his outlook address he used to make threats, than connect him to a thousand other things that validate your case and other peoples cases.

If you had an attorney, he would have helped you file a court order with Microsoft to provide you with the inner details of the person using that email address to harass you. Then you could have also court ordered twitter, since he used the same email address to sign up for an account there - and also admitted his crime there. You don't need an informant for that. Your attorney could have done those things, it would have cost drastically less than 100btc.

-When he is in the US, I really dont see any problem that conviction would fail. I dont require that he is persecuted in Europe, if he gets a 50 dollar fine in the US thats already a conviction.

I'm sorry that you don't see any problem where a conviction would fail. Probably because you never spoke to an attorney about it.
I assumed that someone putting out a 100btc bounty would have at minimum spoken to an actual attorney about it, but it's clear you never did. I was told word for word "Since the guy is in America, they probably won't even bother making the long distance call - and vice versa"

You don't require that he is persecuted in Europe? You would settle for a fifty dollar fine in the states?  
I don't think you have a good grasp on how the law works in prosecuting crimes. Or you are being vague again.

1. Are you saying if I get him for any hacking crime in the US, and a fifty dollar fine, you will pay the bounty?
2. or do you mean that if he get's a fifty dollar fine in US for committing a crime with you as a documented victim?
two different things. lets be clear when we say things. and clarity would be important here in terms of the bounty you are offering.

Number 1 is way dooable. But I have a feeling that's not what you were meaning to say.

Number 2 is not going to happen.
The US is not going to spend American tax dollars processing this guy through the system for a fifty dollar fine in reaction to a Victim in Europe. Nor would they spend the time contacting your local agency to transfer your little police report from Europe to America to press charges for you. You would have to report that crime to American law enforcement, not European ones, to have a chance in that context.  


See, I would have asked my lawyer
"Hey lawyer, I am considering to offer 100btc for info on my case. Do you think it would be worth while in my situation to do this?"

Any attorney would have told you to do so at your own risk.
That it would be improbable to convict anyone for this minimal crime outside of your country.
That the probability of the hacker actually being in your own country is small (since from your end you don't know who he is).

There is also the ethical concern here that all informants should uphold. Any informant who gives you this personal information to identify this guy, is also doing this on good faith. Trusting that you will not use it for any unethical purposes. Say, in retaliation.

I don't want to be connected to something like that - and there is no way for me to predict, or know, if that could happen in the future. If I had the impression that you actually prepared for this bounty and had a lawyer involved...I would feel more confident about passing that info along to you directly. But you don't. (actually I wish I would have figured this out prior to working on this, because if I had I probably would have never gone through the time or effort here).

I also question why you would spend 36grand on a bounty instead of just getting a lawyer. Court orders are pretty easy to obtain.
I know someone who got one last week to reveal the private whois of a website. Now he is suing the owner of the website for something.

So yeah, none of this makes sense...its not the discussion. This discussion is completely valid and legit. It's also what seems to be your apprehension about this discussion that also makes no sense.


If and when you can prove that you have an attorney on retainer, I'll send himall of the information directly.

I will require at that point a guarantee that you will use the information ethically, and ONLY for legal purposes.
At that point, your attorney will get all the evidence I have linking everything,
AND all the contact details for the hackers local police agency and local FBI field office.

Afterwards, once you guys verify that I had the right person - with or without the conviction like you said- you can choose to pay me the bounty.

I'll take a portion for my time. The rest can be split amongst certain victims of crimes who might have paid dd4bc already so they can get their money back.  

Otherwise, this concludes my involvement in this situation. I dont want your time wasted, nor do i want mine wasted.

Respectfully.
me

I've clearly said numerous times. Your hacker is in the united states. I think I've said that to you least 10 times.
That is not theoretical. And I HAVE uploaded to the blockchain. Why do you keep referring to "if's"?
You know I submitted it because we talked about that in our PM and I sent you this link:
http://www.proofofexistence.com/detail/b2427aa196f7b9ceefa30f200ed84830e5e1c37ce3062e659e8b6aa3605fe500

You have not really addressed anything in my post above about the bounty. You are not even clarifying the things you have said in relationship to the bitcoinbounty instructions.

I still don't understand why you are escrowing your own bounty - this defeats the actual purpose of an escrow. Basically you are saying there is no actual escrow because Roger Ver is funding the bounty and escrowing it...You also did not clarify why these bounties are listed separately on the bitcoin bounty hunter page. You can clearly see here that your bounty for 100btc, and a separate bounty for 37btc via Roger Ver. I told you a couple days ago that I had proof that these two cases were related to the same hacker, anyway - but you don't even want to talk about what that would mean in terms of the bounty. Would the informant get both bounties when they prove it's the same guy in both instances?

You also never clarified why the directions on the bounty say clearly NOT TO SUBMIT the info to you,
and then why you asked me to send you a direct copy of it to your email, despite these directions.

You are not really being clear about anything at all. And to tell ya the truth, I've seen at least one other poster maybe two, also ask about the reliability of how the bounty is set up. let me break this down for you. no american agency is going to extradite your hacker to Europe to face charges in a foreign country for a small timer ddos attack on you. the conviction requirement on your bounty is nearly impossible to attain.

"what have you got to loose".... um, let's not be condescending here. You are asking for help, not vice versa. This is not the bitalo lottery. Any informant risks retribution from this hacker after he is snitched on. Obviously that sucks & is probable. Let's be real here.

Plus you are starting to appear a little bit like you are intending to be unclear when you speak.
I apologize if I am misjudging you right now, but honestly I've asked you numerous times to be clear about specific things and you don't seem to make any effort to meet me half way in that conversation - and I actually find that quite odd.


Didn't I see some email somewhere that dd4bc only requested 1 whole bitcoin from you? But you turn around with a combined bounty of 100 bitcoin?
MAYBE, you assumed that the only person who would respond to your bounty would be the criminal himself or the criminals accomplice or friend. Perhaps you assumed you could TRICK the hacker/hackers into snitching on each other - and this is why you set the bounty so dramatically high in comparison to what the hacker tried to hijack you for.

Perhaps you thought under those circumstances, you would never have to pay the bounty to the informant. Maybe this is why you seem so reluctant to want to work with me on understanding your bounty and how we can make a fair effective trade. I have no idea what to think. I would hate to think that but you do seem to evade direct concerns about things.

NOTHING about this bounty makes sense to me.

^ This has been mentioned.
(side bar, I don't think the burden of proof should be placed on the third party escrow to verify the tips "acceptability" or validity. Verification needs to be more concrete than that.  )

The trouble is that it's still tricky to verify if bounty was changed to just an ID.
I personally mentioned to lower the bounty in exchange for verified identity.
It's just still tricky to do.

Martin needs to protect his bounty from scammers and inaccurate tips.
But the informant also needs to be able to protect their tip.
It's kind of hard to verify this kind of tip and keep both parties protected.
To verify it in public here, the informant is risking posting inaccurate info on an innocent person, publicly.
To verify it privately between informant and Martin would in turn protect the accused identity till it was verified,
but there would be no third party witness to observe the interaction and the validity of the communication that took place - or the status of the case as it relates back to the informant.
I'm sure there is some method of trade and verification that I have not considered yet,
but so far I keep spinning in circles with the options of how that would all go down.

Now, if both parties were on American soil, a conviction would be much more likely - and the probability that Law Enforcement would pursue it is high. But this is not the case, which yes, leaves the conviction requirement almost impossible to obtain on many counts - while also leaving the informant in a situation where their work is publicly noted and utilized - but they don't ever get paid for it due to extraneous circumstances.

I understand both sides of this coin. I can put myself in Martins shoes and see his side, and I can see the side of the informant.
I am getting the impression that Martin does not fully understand the situation himself and his limitations.

On the other hand,
When I asked about the Id of hacker vs Conviction, Martin replied: "when his identity is proven he will be convicted 100%"
- I don't know what to make of this comment beyond possibly that it reveals Martin never actually spoke with any lawyers before he placed this bounty, and is misjudging the situation a great deal based upon a simple report he made with his local law enforcement.

I am also a little conflicted on the official terms of the bounty because when I have asked about them, I get conflicting responses.

Per the bitcoinbounty page, the steps include:

1. upload to block chain,
2. Report to law enforcement (DO NOT SUBMIT INFO TO US).
3. Wait for law enforcement to make an arrest that leads to a conviction in the case.
4. Contact us with the original document submitted to Proof of Existence, proving you provided the correct information to law enforcement.
5. Get Bounty

But when I submitted my info to blockchain, and told Martin it was done, he replied for me to email him a copy of this information directly - which contradicts step 2.

"hi,
thanks

yes please send me a copy to martin@bitalo.com"

I was kind of considering just sending this to him on good faith - but I was still unclear about it. Plus it was the first time I had ever used blockchain so I was trying to understand how it worked. I assumed it would be publicly viewable on blockchain at first than I realized it wasn't, so i asked him If he needed a copy and that was his response. Afterwards, I looked at the bounty steps and it hit me that in bold letters it instructs me NOT to submit to martin directly. So that's where I got confused.

When I started to discuss exchanging ID vs a Conviction, he kind of implied that I would not actually need a conviction saying:

"If you can PROVE identity and you have info, you will get the full bounty, if you dont have anything, you dont get anything"
So I'm not sure if I'm just misunderstanding our dialogue or what...but I'm not clear on it.

I have a chain of evidence that was obtained legally.
I could literally type out the steps I took in acquiring this information, and it could be mirrored and verified.
I can prove his other online identities too and even connect those names to other crimes he did under different names.
Which all tie back to his real life identity. All obtained legally.

I've also spoken to a couple Attorneys about this situation to get a better understanding of all the limitations and possibilities.
(I'm am lucky to have a few close friends in my circle)

To approach this hacker internationally from the get-go will only result frustration and walls in terms of prosecution and conviction. Although, his case would be helped by getting this hacker for a crime he committed in the country he lives first - than shifting over to Europe.

Even if Martin video screen capped hacker confessing in video on skype - he would most likely never get a conviction internationally because the crime is relatively minimal and he would most likely have to rely on the American police to find a way to convict him for something here. Under those circumstances, at most, Hacker would just have to avoid traveling to Bialos home country to avoid those charges.

TBH, this whole case would hold more weight if a ransom had actually been paid. Not paying the ransom actually minimized the damage done to him as the victim, and minimized the actual criminal act which was committed. This minimizes the potential for law enforcement to see value in pursing the case internationally. The end results in Martin paying a drastically higher amount of bitcoin than he would have been victimized for, while dramatically decreasing the probability of his desired end results. Instead, he could have paid the smaller amount of ransom one time and in turn increased the probability to effectively pursue the crime. He could have offered the difference amount in bounty afterwards for the tips.

[I'm not in any way suggesting to pay out ransoms to hackers, I'm just repeating what was explained to me in context of the situation - and chances are I would have done the same thing refusing to pay the ransom]


SO!  One thing I could potentially do is work from inside the boundaries of the US and attempt to have him arrested for unrelated crimes he participated in while in using the other alts. Once he is actually arrested and in custody for the other crimes it will verify that I have the correct person. This is because I can prove a link between those other alts and him here as dd4bc.

At that point, I can share my tip publicly and the proof linking this criminal who was arrested for "unrelated crimes" to "dd4bc" hacker (and the proof of existence I uploaded to blockchain previously). At this point, I can choose to reveal to Martin the link between this "unrelated case" and his own hacker...he can verify the legitimacy of my information - and be free to use it for his own case and hopefully pay out a bounty maybe. 

The US would also be more sympathetic to his case at this point because they would have already caught the hacker for similar crimes here.

This is the best I can come up with at this point.
If Martin wants the ID sooner rather than later - and without the conviction requirement,
he already knows that I'd be willing to work with him on a safe exchange for a lesser reward.
I just don't think he's interested in it, nor have I been able to think of a legit way for it to go down.

One extra thing I just noticed:
Before I continue, I just suddenly realized something. God I'm so sleep deprived here.
The bounty is in third party escrow - but the escrow is Roger Ver. Martin told me that the 100btc bounty was a combined reward from both Roger and Martin in my PM here. But they are actually listed seperatly on the bitcoinbounty page - so that confuses me. His is listed for 37btc, while Martins is listed for 100btc. Earlier, I had asked martin about the two bounties and Martin said to me via PM "No, it is one bounty. Roger Ver is doing the escrow for our bounty and acts as referee and also guarantuees that we have the coins for the bounty etc etc." - I stand here a little confused with that too atop of everything else above.
Also a little unclear why Roger Ver would be escrowing his own bounty. Am I misunderstanding this?

I've only uploaded info to blockchain. I have not even sent it to Martin yet.

I asked him if he would be willing to negotiate on lowering bounty for the actual ID...instead of using the conviction as the end determinant of collecting the bounty. So many factors influence that outcome, many beyond my control and his - even with a correct ID the criminal process cant guarantee a conviction, especially internationally. He had reservations about this type of negotiation, and I understand them completely.

I think my only option here really is to contact law enforcement myself and provide them with the same info i uploaded to blockchain; and hope that the end results in the required conviction for Martin. Martin has given me info on the LE entity he originally reported to.


If someone really finds you?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

wait hold on....


LOLOLLOOOLLLLLOOOOOOOL

I've already expressed this to Martin earlier. You can spoof an IP but you can't spoof stupid.

@dd4bc, I'm pretty sure you are wrong and that he will pay the bounty. If he didn't, his reputation would be completely ruined and that would defeat the original purpose of his bounty. If he didn't want to protect his entity and reputation, he would not give a rats ass about you, nor care to pay someone else to find you.

You are a little cocky dd4bc, as if you thought of yourself to be some type of invisible virtual god, or something. Weird.

done

Ok. I am going to pm you so watch for it in a few!

refer to next post.