I'm not here to defend the guy and he might be multi accounting indeed
but can you tell me what harm can be caused if he multi accounted ? he used your first deposit bonus as he mentioned but it's not like he will be making money from it
the bonus is -EV and if someone used it for hundreds of times he will still be losing money , I really can't see any harm done by this player unless there is something missing that he is not telling ?

they can't be 100% sure that you are arbing , but everytime you are betting big amount with a book that has the best odds for that selection you become suspicious
also real books have traders who sometimes won't notice that there is an arb opportunity , but they can easily check the prices in other books after you make the bet and they can be sure that they were offering an arb
 
books who limit don't care if you are arbing , even if you aren't arbing but just beating their starting price they will limit you ( that happened with me with 4 bitcoin books so far )
3 of these books limited me 2 or 3 years ago because of arbs , but the 4th one just limited me because I was beating their starting price and the max bet I had with them was like 300$

so unless you have ways to keep creating accounts everytime you get limited then arbs won't work really

ما هو حرام عندك هو حلال عند غيرك , طبعاً أنا لا أتكلم عن السؤال وإنما أتكلم عن عنوان الموضوع
ما الفائدة التي قدمتها في صياغة هذا العنوان ؟ أما كان من الأسهل فقط التطرق مباشرة إلى السؤال ؟
عموماً المنتدى هنا لا يحوي أي فتاوي وليس بيننا أي شيخ على حد علمي ولكن بالقليل من البحث على غوغل أظن بأنك ستجد ما تبحث عنه

كل ما ذكرتوه صحيح , ولكن أنا دائماً أميل إلى أن أي حدث هام مثل هذا الحدث سينعكس على السعر بالمجمل سواء إيجاباً أو سلباً
نادرة هي الأحداث مثل هذا الحدث والذي لا ينعكس على السعر
أنا متخوف أيضاً من النقطة التي ذكرها خالد لأني أرى من الصعب قوننة مثل هذا الأمر دون وجود أمر خفي صراحة ,على أمل أن يكون هذا الأمر الخفي هو فقط الاستفادة من الأرباح لا أكثر ولا أقل
السعر انتعش قليلاً اليوم مع فتح الايداعات ولكن أتفق مع مايكي بأن السوق بطبيعة الأحوال كان قادم للانتعاش ولكن الريثم سريع جداً حالياً

الأخبار متضاربة جداً ولكني بنفس الوقت لم أقتنع بأي من الآراء حيث لحد الآن لم أجد أي شرح ورأي موضوعي وشفاف
معظم الأخبار والفيديوهات التي وجدتها متطرفة جداً , يعني تجد القنوات المتخصصة والمستثمرة بالبتكوين تسوقه على أنه قد يكون الحدث الأهم في تاريخ البتكوين ونقطة انطلاقه الى سعر الستة الأرقام بينما تجد قنوات أخرى تتحدث عن السيئات بالمجمل من دون أن تذكر أي حسنة  لمثل هذا الحدث

عادة عندما أرى مثل هذه الأخبار التي تكون اما بيضاء أو سوداء أتيقن بأن الأخبار ليست بالدقيقة
من المؤكد أنه يوجد سلبيات و إيجابيات لهذا الموضوع ولكن لم أستطع إيجاد أي مصدر موضوعي , لذا في حال وجدتم أي شيء جيد أرجو النشر هنا

not really mate , books do shady stuffs a lot of the time and if you are just betting normal stakes then you can afford a voided bet unlike when you are arbitraging when sometimes you may stake your whole bankroll on a certain match
if one of your bets lost in one bookie while the other bookie voided your bet that won you will be on huge loss

it happens and you would be surprised how dirty books can be sometimes , here is an example recently when nitrogen voided a legit market ( after people raged on reddit and SBR they honored the bets tho )
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5176799

if you had an arbitrage bet and the winning part was on nitrogen you can easily bust a lot of money ( arbitrage betting is much more aggressive than normal betting so as I said sometimes people stake a large percentage of their bankroll )

also personally I had a bet on one of the Germany amateur matches , I divided my stake on fortunejack and sportsbet
same bet in both sites but sportsbet paid me my winnings while fortunejack voided the bet , the match was paused for a little of time then teams continued playing and the bet won
so even when betting same match and same outcome each bookie will act differently if something happened during the match
 

are you trolling or just trying hard to get customers for that  shitty website !!?
every single one here has told you that they are scam or shady and I even shared my whole story with you , do you even read these comments ?

1xbit/1xbet has great lines for sport bettors , they literally have all the matches available no matter how small and unpopular the leagues are
I saw a lot of scam accusations against them but at first I thought maybe they are just scamming arbitrage bettors since you can make a lot of money by just arbitraging with their site
decided to try them and I used to deposit small amounts like 0.03-0.05 BTC and withdraw every time I'm above that number , till a day came and I had like 0.04 or so in my account and in that day I managed to reach 0.1-0.11 BTC and made a withdraw then they suspended my account

contacted their "security team" and all I got was an instant message saying that I violated their ToS without mentioning what exactly I violated and they stopped responding to me at all after that

so can confirm they are scammers even the amount I lost with them is relatively small

first of all this is a bitcoin forum and 1xbet isn't a bitcoin site so the whole thread isn't related to these forums
and I guess everyone knows that 1xbet is a scam but I never seen any complaint against when the player is using their casino , they usually scam the people who bet on their sports and beat their starting prices

your whole balance is small and they won't bother scamming that amount especially that you are playing roulette , there is noway to beat roulette and they should be happy to take all bets

with sportsbetting that's a different story of course

in a perfect world arbitrage betting indeed has no risk since you are betting all the possible outcomes and benefiting from the different odds in different sites
BUT almost all sites are against arbitrage bettors ( except few asian ones )  which means sometimes the books may void your winning bets so you end up losing

there used to be a similar bitcoin service called satoshi signals and it used to scan the books to find arbs , it lasted a month or 2 since it stopped due to lack of interest
at that time most of their arbs had a site called powerbet ( which scammed and closed long time ago ) and they didn't tolerate the arbs so they ended scamming some people or at least limiting them to bet only small amounts

in short arbitrage does exist , but it's really not worth it with bitcoin sites ( actually even fiat sites don't tolerate arbitrage bettors )

it happened with a lot of guys here and most of the times it gets resolved and players get paid their winnings ( happened with me but not with a bonus )
1st depoist bonus terms in FJ are really hard and no value at all with it , so I can't really see you abusing even if you were multi accounting since that won't give  players an edge
doesn't make sense to not pay you IMO

nothing will solve the problem at all , user violated all the possible terms and more importantly LOST HIS BETS !!!
sportsbet in the past returned a lot of money to one of the guys who was abusing them and trying to double spend , if this user actually had money in his balance sportsbet would do the same
he made bets and lost !! saying that he didn't have cashout is just a ridiculous reason


maybe you should post more in that fairlay scam accusation thread instead of keep chasing sportsbet since that case is actually legit
Fairlay asked for the ID of that guy and prevented him from withdrawing while they allow others of betting without KYC , but I still see you promoting them in your site

مشكور على الموضوع صديقي , طبعاً لتوسيع الفهم يجب البحث أكثر كون الموضوع مختصر وخصوصاً في حال أراد الشخص معرفة الحيثيات واحتمالات التأثير على البتكوين
الآراء لا تزال متضاربة حول فيما اذا كان هذا الشيء لصالح البتكوين أم لا , اليوتيوب مليء بفيديوهات تتحدث عن Bakkt

باختصار لا نستطيع اليقين في كيفية انعكاس السعر على مثل هذا الحدث , البعض برجح بأن الارتفاع الذي حصل الآن سببه قرب فتح الإيداع ولكن الآخرون يظنون بأن الارتفاع ليس بسبب ذلك
هناك بعض المتشائمين أيضاً من هذا الحدث ويرونه سلبي على البتكوين

no they didn't !! user  already violated their ToS and he was able to bet successfully then he got caught
cashouts aren't always available , it's something extra and they aren't available everytime so even legit players can't use cashout all the time !!

 

I'm sorry but you have no right to demand for that , you were cheating the system and you already made bets
if they can tolerate that it means every single player who use the site illegally will be freerolling the site and making bets , if he get caught or lost the bets he will simply ask the site for refund and if the bets won while sportsbet didn't notice that he will get away with the money

if you had the money pending and stuck in your account I guess everyone here will ask sportsbet to refund you the money , but you lost your bets

cashout isn't something standard , actually a lot of the time even if you have access to the site you won't be able to make the cashout

يا ريت والله مع أني شخصياً لم أجرب أن أتدوال بجدية أبداً لأني سئمت حظر المنصات بصراحة ولكن بالمجمل أظن أن هناك العديد من المهتمين هنا في التداول ( أعتقد الجميع وليس العديد )
خليك بحماسك صديقي فنحنا محتاجين إبداعك 

ومع الأيام اذا كثرت المشاركات والشروحات يمكن إضافتها جميعاً وفهرستها في مكان واحد كي تكون مرجع لمن يريد البدء فقد لاحظت أن الكثير يدفع الأموال على دورات عشوائية لتعلم الأساسيات
وبصراحة دائماً ما كنت أتساءل اذا كان المنتدى العربي يحوي متداولين محترفين لذا لا ادري اذا كنا نملك أشخاصاً هنا يعملون عملاً كلياً أو أساسياً في التداول

not sure if I understood correctly but sportsbet in their statement said that you made bets and these bets lost , and they also clearly stating that they will return any left money
so are you really demanding them to void your losing bets and send you your original deposit ?

if that's really what you are demanding for then this is ridiculous ?

yeah indeed , I honestly can't remember in what event that happened
anyways thanks for adding them to the site mate , I made a  small bet for now just to see how odds will change and will be watching the lines while the volume is going up 

yeah I know that's why I'm curious to know how Orbit is accepting that , since the logical thing when someone is using a broker that has no KYC and got commissions increased to 6% is to simply create another account
so is orbit ok with that ? I don't think so , but the more important question is that do they have the right to close the account and take the balance in case they suspected that happening ?

not sure if sportsbet88 is the same site but that's probably because you are beating the starting price , ITF isn't secure for books and it seems they only offer it for losers
same happened with me with Fortunejack and was limited to insane amounts on ITF till I decided to just stop betting ITF or even following it

I don't know a single site that is ITF friendly , they will all limit you or ban you once you beat them
it's really annoying I do agree , not fair to keep allowing losers while limiting winners  ( stats clearly show that there are much more losers than winners so winners are only taking part of the overall books' profits )


but can't call it scam tho and every single book is doing that when it comes to ITF