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The could make bitcoin inflationary and animate law-makers to have bitcoin be that currency, that you are forced to use by law. Similary to what Fiat is today. That would be the worst nightmare i could possibly imagine...
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As a socialist and lover and defender of mariihuana, I demand you either get out of the marihuana business or stop misusing the term 'socialist'.
Nazis where/are Socialists... Interventionism allways ends up in Communism oder National-Socialism. When a system claims control over more and more parts of our daily live, and if it's merely for "protecting the people of themselves" (which they in fact never can manage. Cause it allways end up in a very selective kind of moral reasoning > if you restrict Marihuana, you have to restrict alkohol, sugar...fat), it is just a matter of time, until their is immediate need for a totalitarian dictator, that centralizes every power in his hands. In fact this is then only the beginning of the end! That was it, what the socialist-plague in the middle of the century told us. If someone is a socialist, ok, i have no problem with this. As long as he keeps his dick of my face an not telling me what to do. He can make his things in private, but kindly put his hands out of my f.... wallet!  My dear stoner, you have so much to learm. I suggest you read some books, or if don't have the attention span for that, do some traveling! Go some places where there are not so many tourists. You will learn a lot about what freedom really means - that's something I can't possibly convey in a single forum post. And in the mean time keep YOUR dick out of other people's faces - your ideas are an insult to all the people that actually fought for real freedom. Not your naïve 'don't regulate anything' survival of the fittest capitalist enslaving porpaganda freedom, but real freedom. OMG so many contradictions I lose count. BTW, Godwin's law is for pretentious people who also happen to be intellectually lazy. What julien071 names as freedom means HIS freedom. And he wants to prove his subjective view on things as a categorical imperative. Thats in fact what the socialists do in our country. And further, this is what democracy legitimates inevitably...a dictatorship of the majority. |
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I suggest you read some books too. Something like: "The road to Serfdom". Or simply ask yourself, what Socialism does and has done to us and our society. You're maybe one of those guys, who think, that liberalism or the bad, bad capitalism is the origin of the ultra-inflationary money policy some countrys follow. So i say you: Think about your opinion objectively and you'll see, that this behavior (money printing, money-monopoly, centralization of credit) could come out of the communist-manifest and in deed makes the poor poorer and the rich richer. For that cause, socialism has nothing, but absolutely nothing to do with freedom. Remind Erich Mielke, Mao, Stalin or Adolf Hitler...THEY WERE SOCIALISTS!
Peace!
"judging by your not so fantastic use of the English language" You judge me by my knowledge of english grammar, calling me childish, talking with me a waste of breath and telling me to read Thomas Piketty??? Thomas Piketty's book is full of misguided thoughts and straight lies. Why should i trust in that book? How could one, with that opinion, judge a person? I'd say that person is pretty arrogant and i wouldn't trust his judgement... |
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I wrote 2 messages to you, but you didn't find it necessary to say something about it.
I didn't answer the first one because I took a long weekend off. The second called me a nazi, which is precisely the point at which I usually start to ignore any further content. But i had to ask myself, if your rating is made upon your experience with our product or just came from resentments you may have for us.
My rating came from previous experience with other "investment opportunities" that have been marketed here and turned out to be scam. Your offer was marketed in very much the same way, which led me to the assumption that it'd be better for others if they at least would be warned of a potential scam. The next evident point is, that in fact tax freedom is a true liberal value
I beg to differ. Dodging taxes has nothing to do whatsoever with liberal values. If anything, it stands for a wrongful understanding of so-called libertarian values. Further i think, that Bitcoin-Foundation is in deed a organisation that stands for centralization
I think you love to make assumptions based on no evidence whatsoever. I would even go so far as to say that you probably don't even know who the Foundation is or what they are doing. They speak for themselves, not for me.
That's correct. We'll work on our trust-rating and methods of promoting our offers. We talked a lot about this in the past days and made a good progress i think. We really want to make this concept work and we stand behind this idea with full engagement.
Just a suggestion, separate your business from your private quasi-political motivation. You're not doing your business a favor when you throw around words like "nazi" or "socialist". Second, write a good business plan, explain how you want to make money, what you're doing to make it happen, who you are etc. and I might change my mind about your investment opportunity. That's the bare minimum required for any serious business to ask for investors money. It is not true that i called you a nazi. I asked IF you are "some kind of nazi or religious fundamentalist". A normal question in my eyes.  Second, if you arrogate yourself to know, what is "best for the people", than you are a kind of socialist per se. That answered my question too. And this issue has a lot to do with political motivation, because if there are people, that know what is the best for me, and force me to do so...they are totalitarians and i have to do something about, or in a not so far future we'll live under similar circumstances as the poor people in Northkorea have to live today. I don't want to live this way. Or do you want to? If you call yourself "Bitcoin-Foundation" than you make a clear claim to represent Bitcoin. Or did i miss some fact? And last, but not least: Tax-freedom has nothing to do with liberal values? Ok. That means that if you are forced to pay taxes, that is liberal? A very questionable point in my opinion. That means Northkorea is liberal too?? And because you made bad experience with other assets somewhere, that means that we are bad people too? In my eyes that generalizes, what you can, because of a lack of experience with our behavior, not generalize. But ok, it's your opinion... i can live with that. Now, that you told us your reasons, i can understand you much better and we will do our best to show you, that we deserve it to trust us. Do you know about Richard Cantillon, know what Mercantilism is and what circumstances let it grow worldwide? Here is a nice article about him: http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Richard_CantillonThank you for your tips. You are right, we should explain our plans more detailed.. |
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As a socialist and lover and defender of mariihuana, I demand you either get out of the marihuana business or stop misusing the term 'socialist'.
Nazis where/are Socialists... Interventionism allways ends up in Communism oder National-Socialism. When a system claims control over more and more parts of our daily live, and if it's merely for "protecting the people of themselves" (which they in fact never can manage. Cause it allways end up in a very selective kind of moral reasoning > if you restrict Marihuana, you have to restrict alkohol, sugar...fat), it is just a matter of time, until their is immediate need for a totalitarian dictator, that centralizes every power in his hands. In fact this is then only the beginning of the end! That was it, what the socialist-plague in the middle of the century told us. If someone is a socialist, ok, i have no problem with this. As long as he keeps his dick of my face an not telling me what to do. He can make his things in private, but kindly put his hands out of my f.... wallet! My dear stoner, you have so much to learm. I suggest you read some books, or if don't have the attention span for that, do some traveling! Go some places where there are not so many tourists. You will learn a lot about what freedom really means - that's something I can't possibly convey in a single forum post. And in the mean time keep YOUR dick out of other people's faces - your ideas are an insult to all the people that actually fought for real freedom. Not your naïve 'don't regulate anything' survival of the fittest capitalist enslaving porpaganda freedom, but real freedom. I suggest you read some books too. Something like: "The road to Serfdom". Or simply ask yourself, what Socialism does and has done to us and our society. You're maybe one of those guys, who think, that liberalism or the bad, bad capitalism is the origin of the ultra-inflationary money policy some countrys follow. So i say you: Think about your opinion objectively and you'll see, that this behavior (money printing, money-monopoly, centralization of credit) could come out of the communist-manifest and in deed makes the poor poorer and the rich richer. For that cause, socialism has nothing, but absolutely nothing to do with freedom. Remind Erich Mielke, Mao, Stalin or Adolf Hitler...THEY WERE SOCIALISTS! Peace! |
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After a long weekend, I find PMs in my inbox calling me a Nazi and this thread. Ah, the heartwarming cosy fireplace stake bitcointalk is  We are registered on this forum since 3 days. On day 2 a Bitcoin-Foundation member
gave us a extremly negative trust-rating. We gave him no reason for this!
Was it because of the product we're offering?
Unfortunately, the thread no longer exists (possibly because I reported it). I did not give you a negative trust rating because of the product you offered, but for the means by which you tried to promote it. As a (imho) experienced bitcointalk user, I took the liberty to judge your offer as a potential scam and ponzi scheme. Also, I expressed my concerns about your promise of tax-free gains. I explained that in the thread, as you might or might not have read before it was deleted. Is this a case of legit oppinion for a product, or is it a interventionist move to talk down
a eventual undermining of bitcoin by a 100% legit project, named "Marihuana-Stocks"?
I made the private decision to use the trust system on this forum to warn others about potentially "scammy" "investment opportunities". Without further evidence of your claims, I will stand by my negative rating. I am absolutely willing to remove my negative rating once I see considerable evidence against my judgement. Also, please feel free to leave negative feedback for me yourself if you feel misjudged, or if you consider my judgements inappropriate. And here my question again: Is Bitcoin-Foundation a socialist operation? Do the murder everything bitcoin is standing for?
First of all, I am not a representative of the Bitcoin Foundation, but a mere mortal member. Second, my trust ratings here do not reflect the opinions of the Foundation or other members of the Foundation. Third, WTF have you been smoking? How nice to hear a statement about your rating.I wrote 2 messages to you, but you didn't find it necessary to say something about it. Which is ok and your legit choice. It's your opinion and i respect that. But i had to ask myself, if your rating is made upon your experience with our product or just came from resentments you may have for us. The next evident point is, that in fact tax freedom is a true liberal value and i think, everybody should decide by himself, if he, or if he not want to pay taxes for something. If that decision is made pro taxes, that is ok and respectable too, but if that payment is forced and someone can't put the payment in context with concrete services (and that may be the case in large parts of this world) then he should have the freedom to do so. If i order a pizza today, i will pay the bill voluntarily, because i ordered it and i demanded that service. If i'm forced to pay taxes without a specific demand for a service or if i even don't get any service but the financing of a totalitarian regime..wouldn't it be legit to boycott any payment of further taxes? Because we said "No Taxes" that doesn't mean that someone is forced to don't pay them. He could if he wants to do so, but he must not! Further i think, that Bitcoin-Foundation is in deed a organisation that stands for centralization, which is absolutely contrary to the BTC idea, and arrogate themselves to speak for the whole community, where there is in fact no consensus. They speak for themselves, not for me. I won't leave a negative trust rating for you, why should i? Like i said: It is your opinion and that is 100 percent legit. BUT my following questions were legit too and i found it worth to talk about. Like you can read, i'm not alone with my thoughts. I think we can, yes we should talk about everything and shouldn't forget any aspect of such important issues. Every opinion is worth to talk about. We'll work on our trust-rating and methods of promoting our offers. We talked a lot about this in the past days and made a good progress i think. We really want to make this concept work and we stand behind this idea with full engagement. I hope you'll hear a lot from us in the next months an change your mind on our credibility. <3 |
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Bitcoin used to be free an unregulated. It is time for new services. Ones, which aren't available with fiat or generally, in this totalitarian Nazi-Regime-State..
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He's just a lowly member of the bitcoin foundation by the looks of it. Anyone can become a member, but just because he left you negative feedback doesn't mean he's speaking for the Foundation. I also don't understand how it's a socialist operation. There is no conspiracy here. The reason you got the trust is detailed in the feedback.
I have no access to the reasoning. What did he wrote? |
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As a socialist and lover and defender of mariihuana, I demand you either get out of the marihuana business or stop misusing the term 'socialist'.
Nazis where/are Socialists... Interventionism allways ends up in Communism oder National-Socialism. When a system claims control over more and more parts of our daily live, and if it's merely for "protecting the people of themselves" (which they in fact never can manage. Cause it allways end up in a very selective kind of moral reasoning > if you restrict Marihuana, you have to restrict alkohol, sugar...fat), it is just a matter of time, until their is immediate need for a totalitarian dictator, that centralizes every power in his hands. In fact this is then only the beginning of the end! That was it, what the socialist-plague in the middle of the century told us. If someone is a socialist, ok, i have no problem with this. As long as he keeps his dick of my face an not telling me what to do. He can make his things in private, but kindly put his hands out of my f.... wallet! Nazis where not socialist per definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialismhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NazismReally? > http://www.worldcrunch.com/opinion-analysis/europe-039-s-extreme-right-and-left-united-in-support-of-putin/russia-extremism-nationalism-ukraine-conflict/c7s15880/How does Socialism differ exactly from National-Socialism? Even the Nationalism is it, that marks both. And not to forget Communism, that is even as totalitarian. Just educate your self. It is not my fault, that you didn't pay attention in school. The word "socialism" doesn't even occur in the link you posted. But the link contains such words as "Putin", "Alexander Dugin", "good contacts to the far right" , "extreme nationalism"... |
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As a socialist and lover and defender of mariihuana, I demand you either get out of the marihuana business or stop misusing the term 'socialist'.
Nazis where/are Socialists... Interventionism allways ends up in Communism oder National-Socialism. When a system claims control over more and more parts of our daily live, and if it's merely for "protecting the people of themselves" (which they in fact never can manage. Cause it allways end up in a very selective kind of moral reasoning > if you restrict Marihuana, you have to restrict alkohol, sugar...fat), it is just a matter of time, until their is immediate need for a totalitarian dictator, that centralizes every power in his hands. In fact this is then only the beginning of the end! That was it, what the socialist-plague in the middle of the century told us. If someone is a socialist, ok, i have no problem with this. As long as he keeps his dick of my face an not telling me what to do. He can make his things in private, but kindly put his hands out of my f.... wallet! Nazis where not socialist per definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialismhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NazismReally? > http://www.worldcrunch.com/opinion-analysis/europe-039-s-extreme-right-and-left-united-in-support-of-putin/russia-extremism-nationalism-ukraine-conflict/c7s15880/How does Socialism differ exactly from National-Socialism? Even the Nationalism is it, that marks both. And not to forget Communism, that is even as totalitarian. |
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I knew it! So what can we do about it? Will we delegate our future and freedom into the hands of some totalitarians? I have a feeling Bitcoin if mass adopted will enable tyranny on an unprecedented level. It is a public ledger where all activity is visible, imagine the surveillance ability. I think crypto-technologie will DISABLE tyranny for ever! Mind, that blockchains allready employ their fist people(Bitshares, Ethereum is in pre-launch) and what that means to our daily lives! It will be a whole NEW WORLD ORDER!!! Nearly everything will change. The people can establish a World-Gouvernment, out of their living room, from their couches, their smartphones! Public management will be fully automatized. You'll nether have to pay someone for such work nor you'll ever create a hierachy that leads to totalitarianism in the end! POWER TO THE PEOPLE! <3 The godam despots are going to vomit!!! |
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Word up! But thats why Bitcoin will win the race. We have already more than 400 curencys, that are more efficient and in some ways "better" than bitcoin. But guess which one will be choosen by the people. Not the most efficient one. It will be the most popular! Or why isn't everybody driving an electric car? You would save up to 90 percent by doing so...so why are the people keep driving with fossils?
Because governments and corporation systematically bought up all patents regarding free electricitiy or electric cars. The first electric car was invented in 1890 (!) in Detroit, never saw the light of day, and could go up to 200 miles, the new hybrids are a joke... Ok, that may be a reason. But nowadays there are lot's of electric cars available and the people just don't buy it. Why? You could drive your households second car for almost no cost. Why don't you do it? But the most interesting question is: WHY DO THEY STILL USE FIAT? |
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I knew it! So what can we do about it? Will we delegate our future and freedom into the hands of some totalitarians? |
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Not DPR killed, or ordered to kill 5 men. The state restrictions did it! Otherwise DPR could be a respected businessman. Like the alkohol prohibition only feed the mafia, so do drug restrictions.
Not the mexican mafia kills people, the state restrictions kill them. Not their cruelity makes them rich, it is...again...the state
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The Bitcoin foundation members have most their wealth in Bitcoin and want it to succeed, it doesn't mean they always do what is best for Bitcoin in the long term because they can profit in the short term of doing things that are bad for Bitcoin in the long term.
What is "the best" for Bitcoin may be depending on one's subjective oppinion. And through some eyes regulation may be a good thing, but in fact it is maybe not. Regulation done by the market and in consens is ok, but regulation by state-authorities is a pretty subjective thing...most of the time |
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As a socialist and lover and defender of mariihuana, I demand you either get out of the marihuana business or stop misusing the term 'socialist'.
Nazis where/are Socialists... Interventionism allways ends up in Communism oder National-Socialism. When a system claims control over more and more parts of our daily live, and if it's merely for "protecting the people of themselves" (which they in fact never can manage. Cause it allways end up in a very selective kind of moral reasoning > if you restrict Marihuana, you have to restrict alkohol, sugar...fat), it is just a matter of time, until their is immediate need for a totalitarian dictator, that centralizes every power in his hands. In fact this is then only the beginning of the end! That was it, what the socialist-plague in the middle of the century told us. If someone is a socialist, ok, i have no problem with this. As long as he keeps his dick of my face an not telling me what to do. He can make his things in private, but kindly put his hands out of my f.... wallet! |
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I think the only way people can attack bitcoin is through the media/press. It's the only unguarded part of bitcoin because bitcoin is decentralized, which means there's no government shaking hands with the press to keep things straight and leave bitcoin out of bad press. Plus, it's so easy, too easy to bring a new-born currency to it's knees by frightening people with accusations of bitcoin's connection to black markets etc.
The Blackmarket-arguement is so retro. Like someone couldn't purchase drugs with fiat. Do the people still believe in this horror-stories? |
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You're right it's all the same. I think, that in case of bitcoin, the ordinary reality chases us and we have to defend our freedom. When we loose this battle, we'll loose every battle for our freedom. Like someone said in another post, on which i replied: there is very little money to be made in bitcoin relatively
To them it might too small of an amount to call profit. Since fiat are being printed indefinitely they can always buy all the bitcoins. Maybe what is more important is seeing bitcoin fails more than anything else This is a good point i think. They need to see it fail. Destroying it only won't do the job, since another currency could replace it! The "few" need to make it useless...prove that it fails. Or they and their totalitarian system are done! |
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Measure the people by what they are doing? Doesn't seem to me, that Satoshi done anything pushing him into a extremly "red-light". While others have done such things clearly.. Bitcoin is a paradigm. Even if the NSA invented it, it would be a pretty good thing |
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