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This is an important topic. OP should update it.
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Somehow, this is scary. Hard forks should be exceptional. We should not see a hard fork every quarter. This is damaging for BTC.
I totally agree with that, but we know that in current days, exchanges aren't going to decline an opportunity to generate huge loads of volume, and thus will list it anyway. That's one of the annoying things. I feel that Poloniex adding Ethereum Classic last year spawned a whole new animal. Now Bitfinex adds altcoin after altcoin, token after token, no matter how scammy they are. And they have a clear interest in contentious forks -- they generate fees off the coin split contracts, the coins backing those contracts must remain locked on their exchange (they love that, especially if they are insolvent), and they stand to make considerable fees off coin split wars post-fork. They have a big incentive to see our community cannibalize itself, unfortunately. What you remember saves you;  |
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Bitcoin Cash is the real Bitcoin.
Sure buddy. You keep praising to holy Andresen at your thread. |
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Two words for your eyes only; National. Congress. |
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Regardless of the outcome, some devs said they will keep developing Bitcoin(not 2x).
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On the data posted by OP, I see only one Japanese company that support segwit 2x this November, maybe the majority don't support. Japanese today are the largest bitcoin consumer in the world after the effect of April this year about the legal tender of bitcoin in Japan territory. I have a high hopes that bitcoin's value still stay strong as long as Japan and South Korea embraces bitcoin core. My action depends on Japan's move on which side they prefer, wherever they will go, i will follow. My bitcoin's future rely on Japanese demand.
Users power companies, not the other way around. |
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Just wanted to add my voice since I don't really post here anymore after migrating to reddit. The Segwit2x fork has been agreed with the miners and still has massive support with > 95% of all blocks tagged as Segwit2x. Only a small number of companies have explicitly said they will not support Segwit2x and mostly these are Blockstream owned or have caved in to pressure from the Twitter fake account NO2X campaign. There are some companies the NO2X crowd are claiming as on their side when all they have done is express reservations about the lack of replay protection. Which frankly I don't think should be added, this isn't a fork to create a new coin. This is a fork to enforce an agreed protocol change. A form of replay protection has just been merged so it will be interesting what these companies say now. Example : https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/740son/nya_signer_uk_company_crypto_facilities_pulls/The vast majority of all companies in the Bitcoin space have stayed silent and are sticking by long established statements that they will be following the "longest chain". That's the longest chain of whatever is agreed to be "Bitcoin" and in roughly 6 weeks time that may have 2Mb blocks. Are all the core developers going to quit because of this ? No, they have jobs and careers established and most won't be going anywhere so they will just start working on an implementation which in compatible with Segwit2x and which also brings in the changes they want to see introduced. This could be the segwit2x code base or it could be a branch from the core code. The minority of very very vocal developers who are against this may decide to leave the community but this may be because they have taken very strong stances which they don't feel they can back down from. If this is the case then I don't see this as a big loss. If you can't be pragmatic in a community project and accept "your" grand idea might not have made the final cut then the community is probably better off without you. Certain people within the NO2X crowd (inc. developers) have talked about a change to the POW algo. or switching to Proof of Stake. This is up to them but in my opinion this is an even bigger change than amending a blocksize cap and anything new implementation with those changes won't be Bitcoin. With one or two exceptions I think this is a bluff anyway. This is the first real test if the mining consensus designed into Bitcoin from the start will actually work and I can't help but think that Satoshi (whoever they are) are watching this on the edge of their seat with a big bucket of popcorn. That'd better be good popcorn because it's been really hard watching this drag on for so many years. Patience though, not long now ! You may have a point but there is a few thing that I disagree; 1. %90 of the hashpower; Just like BCH, Similar scenario will happen in November. This is technically a hardfork. There will be legacy chain and 2x chain and companies who signed to agreement will switch to 2x. 2x nodes will be rejected by Core regardless what they try to do. Miners mine what is most profitable.2. Political Games; Look, we all know that this agreement was never about blocksize. We all know that. You want big blocks? Go BCH you've got 8MB blocks there. You want Segwit? Here you got it. With latest upgrade blocksize is already big enough. They might tell you that this deal is about blocksize but actually it's all about firing the core devs and controlling trillions of money flow. They said "The only way to get smarter is by playing a smarter opponent." If Core survives it will more hard to take down. If not, I will keep supporting the legacy chain. |
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Also, there other big players in this game who haven't said a word about 2x;
Bitmex, Bitfinex, Bittrex, HitBTC, Poloniex, Gdax, Bitstamp. > Their 24hr volume for today is 253.266 BTC(combined).
This exchanges will also play big part in November. They usually talk and decide together. So we'll see how thing will roll at November.
One clarification to be made here: GDAX and Bitflyer are part of the New York Agreement. If you weren't aware, GDAX = Coinbase (the former is their order book exchange interface, the latter is their simplified broker interface). GDAX is the largest US exchange on the market. Bitflyer is the largest Japanese exchange on the market, and fluctuates within the Top 3 exchanges in the world for volume. That's not an endorsement of 2X by me. I'm just saying that we can't act like major exchanges "haven't said a word about 2X." Shapeshift and several major wallet services like Blockchain, Jaxx and Xapo are also signed onto the deal. That's nothing to sneeze at! Shapeshift, Xapo, Jaxx, Blockchain, Bitflyer are on the list but GDAX is not there. |
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Bitcoin Cash = Bitcoin.
Segwit 1x or 2x =/= Bitcoin.
Act accordingly.
Bitcoin Cash = Bitcoin Cash(aka Altcoin aka Shitcoin) Bitcoin = Bitcoin I am not a technical boys but I see segwit2x come from the same parties as BCH hardfork like Xapo and friends, they fail in bch hardfork and try to attack the second chance, will bitcoin colapse? If not the bitcoin price will jump and there will be the third attack. In a way, that's a good thing. It shows that how valuable the Bitcoin is. On the other hand this time attack is more sophisticated. It gets supports from the all major players. But here is the trick; Miners play big role in this fork. Even though 2x side claim that big majority of the hashpower will shift to 2x, that is not likely to happen because miners can't risk losing millions everyday. Look how it went with Bitcoin Cash. Bitmain is the biggest supporter of Bitcoin Cash and they hold about %40 of the current Bitcoin hashpower. Why they are still mining Bitcoin? Bitmain's annual revenue would shrink from 9 figures to 7-8 figures if they would have pointed their machines to Bitcoin Cash. Also, there other big players in this game who haven't said a word about 2x; Bitmex, Bitfinex, Bittrex, HitBTC, Poloniex, Gdax, Bitstamp. > Their 24hr volume for today is 253.266 BTC(combined). This exchanges will also play big part in November. They usually talk and decide together. So we'll see how thing will roll at November. |
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Bitcoin Cash = Bitcoin.
Segwit 1x or 2x =/= Bitcoin.
Act accordingly.
Bitcoin Cash = Bitcoin Cash(aka Altcoin aka Shitcoin) Bitcoin = Bitcoin |
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Should a bitcoin full node have a [NO2X] tag added to the User agent string (via -uacomment parameter) ?
if you run "bitcoin core" client as your full node then you are automatically saying "no 2x", there is no point in adding something extra to repeat the obvious in my opinion. in other words /Satoshi:0.xx.x.x/ is equal to /NO2x/ They are getting nasty and nasty everyday. Today 2x devs just merged the ability for segwit2x to disguise itself to not get banned by 0.15 nodes; https://github.com/btc1/bitcoin/commit/28ebbdb1f4ab632a1500b2c412a157839608fed0 |
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the real bitcoin will always be the chain that has the most support from EVERYONE. so far this has been true and hopefully in the future this will continue to be true. and everyone consists of all the users (nodes) and services and businesses out there. this has to be the majority so you can call it bitcoin. the rest doesn't matter if they were the old chain, the new chain, the 2x chain, the cash chain, the 1x chain, the gold chain, .... will be an altcoin doomed to fail. #consensus (21% of them already)
21% of what? of hashrate (that's what matters anyways)? do you have a source for it? %21 of the "companies" clearly you know nothing regarding to the agreement. |
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