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221  Economy / Speculation / Re: Ahhh Shi! Correlation does not equals causation...... on: June 03, 2012, 07:45:54 PM
Stabilization is only temporary, as with all financial assets, and so it will be for bitcoin. In the next weeks and couple of months, we will again see 10%, 20% swings per day.

Agreed. Long periods of low volatility are often followed by dramatic moves.
222  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: options for leverage on: June 03, 2012, 07:42:30 PM
If you really want leverage, just take out a big loan in your home currency, and then trade yourself right into the land of riches.

Yes... it's that easy... that's why everyone is doing it  Undecided

Seriously though, trading is tough stuff. Most people who try it blow out.
223  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Websites to Earn Bitcoins on: June 03, 2012, 07:24:24 PM
mycryptcoin.com also gives you 0.001. Click yourself rich Wink

This has been paying 0.0001

I got hooked on mycryptcoin.com before. Those tiny little payouts are addictive - it's like a rat clicking a button to get a munchie in those psych experiments.

Yet the payout is soooo a waste of time...
224  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] MOVETO.FUND - MoveTo Growth Fund on: June 03, 2012, 06:26:16 PM
And another thing to consider:

It would be very interesting if you could develop a more conventional strategy as real-world hedge funds do? What in my mind is something like a combination of several or all things above:

1. longs on GLBSE.
2. shorts on GLBSE.
3. longs on BTC vs USD.
4. shorts on BTC vs USD.
5. call/put options of GLBSE assets.
6. other derivatives not re-invented in the Bitcoin world yet.

Because I feel that long-only strategy is more vulnerable to risk than a carefully planned combination-based one. If you could make it fully automatic and rely on a sound investment model, MOVETO.FUND may become the Renaissance Tech of Bitcoin(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_Technologies). Grin

Lol with my teenie market cap of 1K BTC! Shocked Seriously though, thanks for the motivation. Smiley

For now I choose long-only with a market-timing component, since that performs better in my experience than the classical "hedge-up/lever-up" approach. The problem with the long/short strategy is that it makes less money, and yet although it may appear to have less risk, in reality you never know when your spreads are going to come apart (think LTCM).
225  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] MOVETO.FUND - MoveTo Growth Fund on: June 03, 2012, 01:13:49 PM
But in my opinion, your proposition has some parts of it which are "overdoing" while some are not enough.

"Overdoing" part: Nefario with his private key as an escrow. ...

Not enough: Many hedge funds will give their investors information about their portfolio and positions in addition to just the NAV. You might not want to disclose too much information on the forum, or everyone else may read and emulate your strategy. But you could send information to shareholders. ...

Good points on all counts, and I certainly understand. My objection was to publicly announce positions, but privately sending them to all shareholders makes perfect sense.

So how about this?

(1) I post a monthly update here publicly on the forums each month with the NAV per share etc.
(2) I send out financials privately to all shareholders with the monthly report
(3) Ideally have both reports signed by a trusted auditor

#1 and #2 I will immediately commit to. #3 I would absolutely desire to do as well, but it depends on when/if the GLBSE allows a read-only login for fund auditors. I will toss this idea to him since it would mean he wouldn't have to audit anything himself, and he could still make a commission off of auditors (or however he wants to structure this feature business-wise).

Great ideas, thanks! Keep them coming. I have updated the FAQ.
-cyto
226  Economy / Speculation / Re: Who else is bored? on: June 02, 2012, 10:24:57 PM
i'm not sure why you'd be bored.  what i see is a slowly rising price into the teeth of a skyrocketing USD while everything else is getting sold off.  what's not to like about that?

+1

I've been telling people this around the forums, but nobody can see it for some reason. It's the invisible bull run in the USD. The fact that BTC is holding its own truly speaks to the fact that it's a budding market, not a bloated overbought market like most others.
227  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Bus - We will print it on a real bus! on: June 02, 2012, 10:05:46 PM
Great idea! Will you be selling physical Bitcoins to people from the bus? That would be cool.
228  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [Ideas] I have two ideas and I want to see if these would interest the community on: June 02, 2012, 09:53:51 PM
The 2nd one sounds like a must and a great idea.

Agreed on #2. I would personally use this service since it would allow me to easily offload some coding work to a contractor without having to actually hire a long-term employee.

Are you planning on starting this yourself?
229  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Why is the Bitcoin value struggling to rise? on: June 02, 2012, 09:41:51 PM
For one thing, the dollar is soaring.

Can you show me where you're seeing a soaring dollar?

I'm looking at the month of May 2012:

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=UUP&p=D&b=5&g=0&id=p08517603754

The dollar has been in a bull market since mid-2011 when it made its low. Yet, as I said, I don't expect to see the really major moves up until the YOY(PPIFGS) moves decidedly below -6% and the broader economy sinks into a deflationary spiral.
230  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Why is the Bitcoin value struggling to rise? on: June 02, 2012, 09:07:36 PM
For one thing, the dollar is soaring.

Also look at recent year-over-year values for the PPIFGS ( produce price index finished goods, which is my favorite price index ):

2011-09-01,7.2%
2011-10-01,6.04%
2011-11-01,5.75%
2011-12-01,4.72%
2012-01-01,4.14%
2012-02-01,3.35%
2012-03-01,2.81%
2012-04-01,1.89%

In a couple weeks we'll have May's numbers and we'll see if we've slipped into deflation yet. We haven't had a solid -6% on this set of data since the great depression, so that's the value I'm looking for to be convinced we've finally entered into a deflationary spiral.
231  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] MOVETO.FUND - MoveTo Growth Fund on: June 02, 2012, 08:20:09 PM
Before the transparent funds are implemented by GLBSE, could you provide us the portfolio information somewhere else? Thanks.

I am still thinking about how to best do this. There is a tradeoff between giving out trading information to competitors vs being transparent for investor trust.

In the meantime, I think the way to go is with regular auditing by a trusted third party:

(1) Every month I will post the current NAV (i.e. price per share) NAV per share, # bitcoins I have on reserve for buy-backs, and fees paid
(2) I will get Nefario to look at the fund's account to verify that the information is correct, and that I am following what I have promised in the contract.
(3) Nefario will sign the audit with his private key.
(4) I will post his signed audit here on the forum with my monthly report.

I'm in talks now with him to see if he would be willing to do this for me. Naturally he would charge a fee which would come from my own pocket each month.
232  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] MOVETO.FUND - MoveTo Growth Fund on: June 01, 2012, 08:33:06 PM
We are now live @ https://glbse.com/asset/view/MOVETO.FUND

381 shares sold thus far - leaving 619 IPO shares available. Hopefully we can get the full 1K sold soon (I personally have a few hundred or so coins I'm still in the process of transferring over). I am also quite excited since we made our first asset purchases today!
233  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] MOVETO.FUND - MoveTo Growth Fund on: June 01, 2012, 07:48:57 PM
Stochastic has in his thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74711.0) a good collection of historic trading data.

Thanks!
234  Economy / Securities / Re: Any GLBSE assets issued by women? on: June 01, 2012, 04:44:35 AM
If a woman posted a hot enough pic with her asset listing, I would buy it Grin

"So you want to start a company that sells potato guns for bitcoin? Sure, sure, here's a couple hundred K..."
235  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] MOVETO.FUND - MoveTo Growth Fund on: June 01, 2012, 04:41:10 AM
Damn, the only problem I'm having now is that I cannot get price data as far back as I would like from twitter (stupid, stupid twitter Sad).

So I'm not expecting to really be in full-throttle mode until after the first month of operation. That's why I want to start small Smiley.
236  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] MOVETO.FUND - MoveTo Growth Fund on: June 01, 2012, 04:33:20 AM
We plan to be Pirate-free from this week. So MU could be white-listed. Cheesy

Yep, MU is definitely something we're looking at. We are absolutely a fund-of-funds when it makes sense to do so.
237  Economy / Speculation / Re: Rally!!!!! on: June 01, 2012, 04:15:19 AM
N can be anything where N mod 3 = 0. The larger the number, the higher fractal degree you are dealing with.

For example 8 = fib(6), and 6 mod 3 = 0.

So we get:

5 steps forward, 3 steps back ( three times ), giving you 21 steps

then,
5 steps back, 3 steps forward, 5 steps back ( once ), giving you 13 steps

for a grand total of 34 steps



Thanks, although I can't seem to get the 21 to add up.  5 forward and 3 back is 8 steps.  If you repeat that 3 times, that's 24 steps.  Do you leave off the last 3 back to make it line up with what comes next (the 5 back, 4 forward, 5 back)?

Lol, good catch, the first one should be 5-3-5-3-5, then the next is just 5-3-5.

I'd fix it but I'm too lazy Tongue
238  Economy / Speculation / Re: Rally!!!!! on: June 01, 2012, 03:56:09 AM
3 steps forward, 2 steps back. Repeat.

More like half a step forward, half a step back Sad

Or:
fib(n-1) steps forward, fib(n-2) steps back ( three times ), giving you fib(n+2) steps

then,
fib(n-1) steps back, fib(n-2) steps forward, fib(n-1) steps back ( once ), giving you fib(n+1) steps

for a grand total of fib(n+3) steps

then repeat the whole thing! Smiley

( cool random fact: corrective waves, impulse waves, and completed waves can be determined soley from the # of steps by doing inverse-fib and then modulating by 3 )

How is n determined?

N can be anything where N mod 3 = 0. The larger the number, the higher fractal degree you are dealing with.

For example 8 = fib(6), and 6 mod 3 = 0.

So we get:

5 steps forward, 3 steps back ( three times ), giving you 21 steps

then,
5 steps back, 3 steps forward, 5 steps back ( once ), giving you 13 steps

for a grand total of 34 steps



An exampling of using modulus to figure out the type of wave based on the # of sub-waves:

3 waves = fib(4), and 4 mod 3 = 1 -> this is a corrective wave
5 waves = fib(5), and 5 mod 3 = 2 -> this is an impulse wave
8 waves = fib(6), and 6 mod 3 = 0 -> this is a completed wave
13 waves = fib(7), and 7 mod 3 = 1 -> this is a corrective wave
21 waves = fib(Cool, and 8 mod 3 = 2 -> this is an impulse wave
34 waves = fib(9), and 9 mod 3 = 0 -> this is a completed wave
...
239  Economy / Speculation / Re: Rally!!!!! on: June 01, 2012, 03:47:20 AM
3 steps forward, 2 steps back. Repeat.

More like half a step forward, half a step back Sad

Or:
fib(n-1) steps forward, fib(n-2) steps back ( three times ), giving you fib(n+2) steps

then,
fib(n-1) steps back, fib(n-2) steps forward, fib(n-1) steps back ( once ), giving you fib(n+1) steps

for a grand total of fib(n+3) steps

then repeat the whole thing! Smiley

( cool random fact: corrective waves, impulse waves, and completed waves can be determined soley from the # of steps by doing inverse-fib and then modulating by 3 )
240  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Is Bitcoin just a stupid game for bored nerds? on: June 01, 2012, 03:31:35 AM
Hmm... lets see:

(1) I've profited from various business deals relating to bitcoin
(2) I now have assets that no-one can seize or hyperinflate
(3) I have a chance to start my own business with ZERO licensing and legal fees - in the "real world" it would have cost probably half a million dollars to start, therefore requiring me to sell off major equity, deal with corrupt regulatory agencies, etc. ( the big banks own the regulators, their real job is to kill the little guy )
(4) I have made new friends. This forum has a lot of smart and funny people ( not enough women though Wink )
(5) I'm having FUN! A LOT of it.
(6) Bitcoin is awesome. Very.

Hmmm, anything else I'm missing here?
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