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181  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: 1Kw PSU apparently not enough juice for 2x7970's Ghz Editions... on: May 31, 2013, 01:01:02 AM
I have 4 x 7950 and when they mine bitcoin consumption from wall is around 850-900W depending on clocks, but when I tried scrypt on semi aggresive settings it pulled over 1000W from wall. So be careful when mining scrypt as it drains more power.

I managed to get 1-2 minutes of BTC mining before the unit blew it's guts... I noticed the hot card was only pulling around 590MH/s whereas the other card started @ 650MH/s. I would have tried scrypt mining but alas I didn't get a chance to before the PSU decided to fail.

It sounds like that card's the problem.  I don't think it should hit 99C within seconds.  I doubt the PS would cause that.

On idle, the top card was @ 47C and the bottom one 40C. Once I started mining, both began to increase temps as normal except that the top one jumped to 80C almost immediately while the bottom one was still at ~65C. Within say ~30 seconds the top card had hit 99C and the bottom card was just about to hit 75C before the system shutdown.

A PSU also should not be light.  If you pick up a 900W power supply and it feels light it is probably crap.  Pushing out high power takes serious components that have weight to em.  I have found some off brand supplies that have done well, like Rocketfish.  I get Rocketfish 900W supplies and treat them like 700W units.  Out of 6, not have died over two years.

This one seems neither heavy nor light... Actually it feels lighter than it should be for what it's 'rated' at. My Lian-Li 650w has been going great guns and is rather heavier than this cheapo CoolerPower.

Without actually testing the hardware itself I couldn't tell you, but this really sounds like a capacitor blowing (which if the rest of the components did their job correctly, saved any hardware aside from the PSU from getting fried).

Looking through the vents on the PSU with a cree torch I can't really see any burning or blown capacitors tho I don't want to open it up just yet to really have a look before as it's going back to the store over the weekend.

As far as projects though, I am using one of their higher-end models.  It might be overkill (for both my purposes and yours) but I would suggest at least checking it out - HCP-1000 Platinum.  This particular PSU actually has 4 dedicated 12v rails in case you ever want to get crazy with more cards.  A great thing too is it really is an investment product.  All of Antec's PSUs come with a modular cable design, but this unit and a few others are actually future proof when it comes to the needs of motherboards and other hardware that has yet to be released.  I've really thrown a lot at mine (more than I should to be honest, but I figure with a 7-year replacement warranty, why not? =p).  Also since you'll likely be running your system 24/7, it's nice that it's 80 PLUS Platinum certified (that basically means that there is very little power that goes to waste due to heat or power leaks).  Again, we're looking at an extreme version; but I would never buy a PSU that wasn't at least 80 PLUS Bronze certified.  If you decide you need less power they have lots of different models with various features (what everyone recommended above is golden info)

Ultimately, I'd like more power... overkill or not I do have the 990FXA mobo and was thinking eventually to add more cards on powered risers but that idea is shelved for a while at least till I can sort out the current issues. This dodgy PSU is 80+ certified tho as with the rest of the info listed on the unit, I call BS Tongue - This reminds me of an upgrade I done to my now defunct Compaq Presario some 7 or so years ago. I kept the PSU which was just a shitty 250W rated one but everything it powered (Intel e8400, 8GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer RAM few sata HDD) was running sweet as a nut. I threw everything at that system and it never skipped a beat... I've never had an issue with any Antec I've bought and still have a 350W SmartPower PSU that was running an old AMD Athlong 64 rig. I used it last night to trial the paper clip test with Smiley

I'm thinking of grabbing either the HCP-1000, Seasonic X-1250 or perhaps Silverstone 1500w. The downtime on this rig atm is rather depressing mainly because I can't do anything really till I go back to the store and grab another PSU.

dude, NEVER FUCKING BUY a bargain priced PSU thats of no brand, especially a cheapass highwattage PSU..
Their a flatout lie, and yes they can get away w/ it for some reason legally...no fucking idea why, it should be fucking outlawed to lie that much to a customer.
But yes, manufactures often can fake the logos for many of the certifications they have to pass to be 'safe'
Such as UL etc...
There are cheap high watt PSUs all over the place that make me fucking pissed off. They can handle most like maybe 200watts when they are labeled 600+ watts.
On top of that .. the shit PSUs feed horrible quality DC to your PC components...causing all sorts of stress on their VRMs ... its a sad situation.

Don't worry, I'm pretty pissed off myself... I mean I could have gone to the casino and blown 1k easily and probably got more in return than what is happening currently. I got the unit for $89 on sale, but it's $127 atm. It's the cheapeast purchase I've made on a PSU in my 20 or so years of building PC's. I was just a little retarded when deciding to buy it due to it being on sale at the time and that decision has probably cost me alot more than I'd bargained for... None the less, I've sent off an email to the store and await their reply heh.
182  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: 1Kw PSU apparently not enough juice for 2x7970's Ghz Editions... on: May 30, 2013, 02:25:40 PM
Lots of really good info on this thread for a relative noob like myself,
Thanks very much fellas.

Kev

I agree totally, just don't blow your shit up like I did on account of not fully checking what you're buying! Tongue

I run similar - FX8320@4.4GHz, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD, 6x120mm fans (Scythe Gentle Typhoon), HD7950, HD6970, HD5870, HD7770 all off a 1000W Zalman PSU that I got used off eBay for basically nothing.  The Zalman's fan barely spins, and it runs cool.  It's drawing 800W from the mains doing BTC, about 900W doing LTC.

I think your PSU was just a bit crap to blow up like that.

Right, well at least I have some reassurance that what I thought I was buying should have been ample for the rig. I just really, really, REALLY hope the PSU was all that went... I'll take my cards with me when going to the store and see if they can chuck them in a system to test for me while I hunt down a new PSU. If they are toast, then I can deal with that problem while I'm there rather than finding out later on that they're foobar'd.
183  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: 1Kw PSU apparently not enough juice for 2x7970's Ghz Editions... on: May 30, 2013, 12:29:46 PM
Just to clear things up.

The Graphics card uses around 250 Watts.
There are other things in the system, that also use power, like the processor (CPU), ram, hard drives, motherboard etc.

I figured it was total of the card itself but ofc I could be wrong.. None the less, it's hard to imagine I'd reach even close to 1Kw with the current mining rig.

AMD AM3 FX-8350 Black Edition (Eight -Core 4.0 GHz)
Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3
16GB G.Skill 1600Mhz
2*7970's
1*SATA 160GB
1*Pioneer DVD Burner
1*Wireless Netgear WG311 Card
Sharkoon T9 Value Case with 3*120mm LED Fans that came with it.
Powercooler CoolerPower 1050w Extreme Power (Dodgy) PSU

I'm leaning towards it not being able to draw nearly close to what it's advertised as being able to output... My desktop rig has been rock solid for a good year now and it's got a considerably less rated PSU tho somewhat decent and running enough devices/apps to keep a small nerd farm happy for a while...

Core i7 950
Gigabyte X58A-UD3R
12GB Corsair XMS 2133Mhz
1*Nvidia GTX570
6*SATA Drives 500GB-2TB (Non-Raid)
1*USB3.0 2TB External
1*USB3.0 micro usb cable charging my S3 as we speak
1*Pioneer DVD Burner
Logitec 1080p USB webcam
Canon MP970 Printer
Audio Jacks in use
Sexy Coolermaster Inferno USB mouse flashing it's sexy LEDS at me
Bog standard USB K/B
3*120mm LED case fans
Lian-Li Extreme Power 650w PSU

It's been mining for 3 months straight and is doing so as I type this reply... I game with this machine while mining on occasion too with little effort. I can quite comfortably max out all settings while gaming and mine at the same time. Most of the time I forget I'm mining but am reminded as soon as I focus on the insanely loud fans on the GTX570 lol

Interestingly, the AMD's stock HSF is stupidly louder... I watched it rev upto 8K RPM while i was playing with fan speeds... the two 7970's were drowned out by this little jet engine and they both had their fans full blast Shocked

What are your AMPS for the 12v...
I couldn't say what the rails were reporting when I began mining on the AMD rig, but while idle installing windows updates, MSI afterburner, Catalyst and other shit before I tried mining, all the rails and voltage readings were on par. That is to say the 12v rail was steady.. Tho I just ripped the PSU out to take an image of the specs. It was a pain in the arse to install and hide the cables, even more of a pain in the arse to remove!!  My apologies it's a CoolerPower not PowerCooler! Still dodgy to f... heh.

Image of PSU Infos
184  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: 1Kw PSU apparently not enough juice for 2x7970's Ghz Editions... on: May 30, 2013, 11:14:05 AM
Card #1 and Card #2 are the two I bought. Specifications list 600w for power requirement. I thought this was a mistake so went looking at the gigabyte website and it too lists the power requirement at 600w... Mind you AMD website states slightly different for the Ghz Editions listed below;

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500W (or greater) power supply with one 150W 8-pin and one 75W 6-pin PCI Express power connector recommended8
850W power supply (or greater) with two 150W 8-pin and two 75W 6-pin PCI Express power connectors recommended for AMD CrossFire™ technology.

They did have another page which I can't seem to find now that stated 300w or so, which was kind of in line with the mining hardware comparison wiki chart. Tho I'm inclined to believe they were listing cards with lower clocks? Either way, I'm hoping I've just lost $89 in equipment rather than over 1K....

TBH, I almost always go for brand names, especially with PSU's. I really don't know what the hell I was thinking buying something that seemed suspect. One thing's for sure, I'm going to have a hard time explaining my stupidity to the sales team at the store when I go there tomorrow  Undecided
185  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / 1Kw PSU apparently not enough juice for 2x7970's Ghz Editions... on: May 30, 2013, 10:33:33 AM
Recently built a mining rig and slapped in 2x7970's Ghz editions with the 1100/6000 clocks backed by what I thought would be ample power with a bargain buy Powercooler 1050w PSU. I almost shit myself when I fired up cgminer and seeing the top card's temp rocket within seconds to 99C before a loud pop and massive bright spark spewed it's way out of the exhaust of the PSU. The system switched off and isn't turning back on anymore. I'm worried that I might have fried something else aside from the PSU namely a card or two.... I tried the paper clip test on the PSU and yep she's dead as a door nail, wont turn on. Problem is my current desktop rig's PSU only has 2x6pin power plugs so I can't test the cards on it to see if they are still ok as they are 1x6pin and 1x8pin plugs each.

Definitely need another PSU that's for sure but what I failed to read was the correct wattage specification for these cards.. I stupidly led myself to believe I'd be looking at between 250-300w per card when in actual fact it's 600w per card! I really hope they are ok, they're only 2 days old, heck I could have even blown the mobo for all I know at this point - Woe Is Me! Sad

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192  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Introduce yourself :) on: July 23, 2012, 12:58:13 AM
Hiya ladies and gents,

Just signed up after hovering around the site and reading a fair few comments around the board. Figured I'd need to be able to interact in other parts of the forum eventually so this is my introduction to you all. I'm new to bitcoinin/mining and only recently found out about this excellent crypto-currency after a friend of mine graciously told me about it. When I first heard about it I kicked myself for not having the slightest idea about it's existence (and that's amazing for me considering I'm a real geek when it comes to pc's and internety things!). I could have been rich if I'd have started back when it was introduced - well kind of since I've only got perhaps a little under 2BTC from a weeks' worth of mining. Small change in today's standard I know! haha Wink

Anyway, a little off track... So as I was saying, I'm a newbie and I also mine. I've only been at this for about a week and it's been an awesome and overwhelming experience thus far. I'm eagerly awaiting the release of the much talked about BFL product line series so I've been procrastinating in upgrading my rig just yet. You can find me (idling) in #bitcoin-otc or browsing the forum around here so shoot me a pm if you'd like to have a chat or perhaps know a little more about me or whatever...

Thanks for taking the time to read my rather long post which really didn't explain anything except that I like bitcoin related stuffs.. but then that's what this forum is centred around tho right? Since I'm new I haven't had the opportunity to update my profile yet but I shall get to that once I get back from work and hopefully that'll be a little more you'll all know about me - Minein' ain't payin' enough right now so can't quit my day job! Cheesy

Cheers,

Joori
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