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4081  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Would killing the minimum wage help? on: July 24, 2011, 03:06:26 AM


I'm sure that you have no concept of just how many ways this is wrong.

Explain. What's wrong at least being able to live on what you work for?

I can't explain it to you, because you would first have to understand why it's not a realistic expectation that the United States or Europe has either the right or the ability to compel the people of other nations to accept our concept of a 'living wage' or anything else.  You are a self-admitted socialist; which, by definition, requires the use of force (or credible threats of force) upon those who dissent in order to achieve the common goals of socialism to any effective degree.  There is no such thing as a voluntary state, but a voluntary socialist state is impossible by it's own definitions.
4082  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Maximum role of Government? on: July 24, 2011, 02:41:42 AM
Yes, Political parties are rather like that everywhere. Here's a question for you: what's that political party that pushed green initiative made up of?
Meat popsicles?
lol.. yes, Humans. People, like you (presumably), and me. If they feel that green projects are important, and popular enough that pushing them won't get them de-elected, then why don't they start a kickstarter, instead of a political party? Perhaps because there's more money for themselves in running a government than a charity?
Or perhaps they feel that working through a political party is the most efficient way of getting things done?
Come now, we do assume that they are rational beings? No one thinks government is efficient.
Seeing how "the market" has been unable to fix a lot of things that regulation fixed rather quickly

Name one example of a market failure that was 'fixed' by regulation.  Just one.
Employee safety regulation comes to mind.

Fail.  Employee safety and general conditions were 'fixed' long before regulation, mostly by the collective will of unions prior to the second world war.  The regulations came later, and at first simply enshrined the negotiated working condition rules into law; but then became perverted later.

Care to try again, or perhaps attempt to defend this point of view?
4083  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Maximum role of Government? on: July 23, 2011, 09:03:25 PM
Yes, Political parties are rather like that everywhere. Here's a question for you: what's that political party that pushed green initiative made up of?
Meat popsicles?
lol.. yes, Humans. People, like you (presumably), and me. If they feel that green projects are important, and popular enough that pushing them won't get them de-elected, then why don't they start a kickstarter, instead of a political party? Perhaps because there's more money for themselves in running a government than a charity?
Or perhaps they feel that working through a political party is the most efficient way of getting things done?
Come now, we do assume that they are rational beings? No one thinks government is efficient.
Seeing how "the market" has been unable to fix a lot of things that regulation fixed rather quickly

Name one example of a market failure that was 'fixed' by regulation.  Just one.
4084  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Would killing the minimum wage help? on: July 23, 2011, 08:59:07 PM
Would unemployment go down? Absolutely.

Should we get rid of it? Hell no.

I'm convinced that overseas sweatshop labor's days are limited. Revolutions are going to happen all over Asia and the people are going to demand a better living. Especially when all those Chinese university graduates realize what communism actually is and what they are doing. Instead of getting rid of our minimum wage, we should be pushing for other countries such as China and India to have a good minimum wage. You should be able to live when you work and are contributing to society.

I'm sure that you have no concept of just how many ways this is wrong.
4085  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [If tx limit is removed] Disturbingly low future difficulty equilibrium on: July 23, 2011, 08:57:34 PM
the proof of steak idea not only would be hard to implement, it also is poorly thought out, introducing more complexity into the system would only make it more difficult to use bitcoin, unless i am missing something?

Add to that, some people prefer their proof of steak on the rare side, while other would demand well done.  And then there are all the proof of A1 sauce proponents!  I'll never understand it all!
4086  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Your child brings this letter home from school... on: July 23, 2011, 06:19:24 AM

... Long list of useless stuff edited out ...

The saying "a pint's a pound the world around" refers to 16 US fluid ounces of water weighing approximately (about 4% more than) one pound avoirdupois. An imperial pint of water weighs a pound and a quarter."


LOL. Dude, thanks for make everyone else's point.

What point would that be, that Metric is more precise?  Of course it is, it was developed by and four science & international commerce.  But the fact that I can look at a gallon of water, and know that it's just a bit over 8 pounds tells me something useful in practice.  Real people don't need that kind of precision, most of the time.  For example, I've been running an experiment over the past two weeks.  I've got two coolers, and I want to figure out how much ice would be required to keep the contents chilled for four days as well as how much salt to add to those gallons in order to keep the contents frozen for four days.  Everything that I'm doing is in gallons, but for a frame of reference, I checked out the price of bagged ice at the store.  The bagged ice is sold only in four pound and 10 pound bags.  Knowing that a gallon of water is very close to 8 pounds gives me a frame of reference to make my intuitive guesses as to how much it would cost me to buy the ice I need versus freezing my own in gallon jugs.
4087  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Your child brings this letter home from school... on: July 23, 2011, 02:16:47 AM
lol wut?


12 inches = 1 foot

How is that a half, third, or quarter?

3 feet = 1 yard

1,760 yards = 1 mile

Huh?  Sweet massive leap.  So for anything over 3 feet and under 5,280 feet, I can either use a ruler that's way too small or one that's way too big.
Don't forget the weird units like rods and chains.

Why do we have to remember them?  No one uses them anymore.  At least the gill is still called the half-cup.  The point of this argument is that AS is still in use in the US wherever it is more useful than any alternative system.  Metric is used by Americans, when we want to.  Ever heard of a two liter bottle?
4088  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Your child brings this letter home from school... on: July 23, 2011, 02:13:35 AM

2 cups = 1 pint

2 pints = 1 quart

2 quarts = WTF!?!? why doesn't it equal anything?


8 ounces = 1 cup

16 ounces = 1 pound

1/2 pound = 1 cup Huh?

Whaaaa?

Talk about 'derp'.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_customary_units#Units_of_capacity_and_volume)

Bushel
Half-Bushel
Peck
Gallon
Half-Gallon
quart
pint
cup
gill (half-cup)
Half-gill (quarter-cup)
Ounce
Tablespoon

Each one of those is a half measurement of the one above it.  The volume to weight references are because a pint of water (16 fluid ounces) is very close to one pound in weight.

EDIT:  From Wikipedia...

"One fluid ounce is 1⁄16 of a U.S. pint, 1⁄32 of a U.S. quart, and 1⁄128 of a U.S. gallon. The fluid ounce derives its name originally from being the volume of one ounce avoirdupois of water, but in the U.S. it is defined as 1⁄128 of a U.S. gallon. Consequently, a fluid ounce of water weighs about 1.041 ounces avoirdupois.

The saying "a pint's a pound the world around" refers to 16 US fluid ounces of water weighing approximately (about 4% more than) one pound avoirdupois. An imperial pint of water weighs a pound and a quarter."
4089  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Your child brings this letter home from school... on: July 22, 2011, 10:23:42 PM
Metric system is more convenient than Imperial, all units are 1000 fold, e.g. 1 km = 1000m, 1m = 1000 millimeters or 1 tonne = 1000 kg, 1 kg = 1000 g.


I disagree with this subjective opinion.

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Most counties in the world adopted it, even UK was forced to use double Imperial/Metric labeling.

You (convientiently, I assume) completely ignored the reasons that most countries in the world have adopted it.  You also fail to notice the contradiction that citizens in the UK were forced to use Metric, and did not chose to use Metric of their own will.
4090  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Your child brings this letter home from school... on: July 22, 2011, 07:23:08 PM
Yet another reason homeschooling should be outlawed or regulated.  Knowing the metric system is a requirement for anyone of even moderate intelligence and education.  The US is the only country on earth that still uses the imperial system and the metric system is even used here for any type of science work above a elementary school level.


Actually, the US isn't the only nation left that still uses an Imperial system.  But that doesn't matter much.  There are 300+ million people in the US.  Two-thirds of whom don't give a crap what Europeans do.
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Homeschooling is actually outlawed over here and not many people complain about it.


They don't complain because that gets you arrested.  The prohibition on homeschooling is the only statute still in effect that was passed by the Nazi's.  That alone should tell you something.  I'd bet you think you live in a free country.

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I agree that little children might be overwhelmed by the Metric system when all they know is that they are 4 feet tall.

I was never overwhelmed by the metric system, I just don't consider it particularly useful.
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But that's why the US has finally switch to the evil Metric system. C'mon, if America Jr. (Canada) could pull it off, you can too! In fact, you did it already! I came across something called the Metric Conversion Act, but that only applies to trade and commerce.

Interstate Freeway signs are also in both AS and Metric around here.  So is my speedometer.  Doesn't matter much.  Data in metric is available in the US, it's just that nobody cares, and the government can't realy force people to care.  If it was truely a better system, people would use if of their own free will.  In some ways, they do.  I know that a gallon is just under four liters, and beverages are available in both types of bottles.  The gallon jugs also have their metric measurements printed on the label so the Eurotrash visiting Walt Disney World in the off season won't have a stroke trying to buy milk.  The public will adapt to whatever they use daily.  If Metric is superior, it's not superior enough to get people to switch.  It was easy enough for Europeans to do that because the various imperial systems that existed were all incompatible, which affected commerce.  THe United States never really had that problem.

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It might be more "intuitive" to use the system you grew up with, but calculating in US customary units is just hellish. Or can you tell me how I can convert a quarter mile into yards easily? My navigation system displays yards but the road signs are in fractions of a mile, oh my.

How often do you need to convert from Km to meters in real life?  I agree that it doesn't require much thought converting between different scales, but doing that in AS tends to develop the gray matter.  If you needed to convert between miles to yards in your daily life, you'd know how to do it in your head as well.  Most people don't have to do that.  That said, AS actually is very intuitive within scales, as it is largely based upon halving and quartering, whichis something that the human mind has no problem doing.  Even the math illiterate public have never had issues with AS in the past, as in the Old West attaracting gold prospectors who couldn't even read.  Try to teach a four year old how a decimal system of division works, and then try to teach that same four year old about even sharing and you will understand the differences.
4091  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I was asked a tough question, who can help me answer? on: July 21, 2011, 09:01:04 PM
Honestly though, a currency where the value neither deflates nor inflates would be the best sort of currency.
Bitcoin is such a currency.
Erm, no.  Bitcoin is a deflationary currency.
Wrong. Lack of inflation is not equal to deflation!
Maybe we should define deflation.

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deflation (in Economics): a fall in the general price level or a contraction of credit and available money

Assuming bitcoin lasts until 21M coins are produced, a Bitcoin economy will constantly have a fall in the general price level (i.e. increase in purchase power), because world population is always increasing while the number of bitcoins that can be spread around will be the same.

Regarding a contraction of available money, one could argue that, eventually, the pace of new bitcoins being produced will outweigh the pace of old bitcoins being accidentally, and permanently, lost.

Price deflation isn't what the OP question was refering to, I don't think.  Anyways, under such a condition, as long as the price deflation is generaly known, the market will adapt to that.  Vendors will prefer to hold them as much as the consumers will, and will offer bitcoin discounts to help seperate the consumer from his desire to hold onto the bitcoin.  At some discounted rate, the consumer's desire to have the thinkg now outwieghs his desire to keep bitcoins that are rising in spending power, and then the sale happens.  Gold worked this way, very slowly, for generations.  Rare was the economic conditions that gold was dropping in spending power, and also rare was the economic conditions that gold wasn't spent when the deal was right.
4092  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Small transactions without transaction fee on: July 21, 2011, 08:55:38 PM
I was barred from sending a transaction of .06 BTC, which shouldn't have required a fee in any case.  There is something else wrong, really.  I was testing out Bitcoin Android.
4093  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Your child brings this letter home from school... on: July 21, 2011, 08:06:29 PM
But, I guess the answer to that is "PRIORITIES!!!"

If your boat is more important than your child's education, then public school really is the best place for them anyway.  At least then they would actually have a decent chance of getting a decent education.
4094  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Your child brings this letter home from school... on: July 21, 2011, 07:49:54 PM
The reason that homeschoolers tend to do so well in every subject is because homeschooled children are taught how to think far better than that can be developed as a skill in a large classroom setting.

Bah! "Thinking" is for college/university grads. We only need high school diploma types for things like fast food and assembly line work.


Yeah, and that is exactly how the public education system is designed.  To provided the education levels necessary to get by working for someone else.  That's why the wealthy don't send their kids to public schools.

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BTW, sounds like your "home schooling" is actually a distributed version of private schooling/tutoring. I'd even go so far as to say "my children are taught by private tutors we hire," since "homeschool" suggests the parents keep their kids at home, and tech them themselves in their own garages, from material they either picked themselves, or were provided by their church/political cult.


Well, homeschooling varies dramticly along that kind of scale.  I've never encountered the much feared 'church/political cult' type homeschool family, and seriously doubt that they even really exist in any non-trivial amount.  My wife & I did start out with choosing our materials ourselves, but that is a lot of work.  For the past several years we have opted to pay the money for a packaged curriculum that we think highly of, that is a derivitive of literature based education theory. (http://www.sonlight.com/aboutus.html)  Yes, it's Christian.  No, that's not the overwelming focus.  I have seen such systems that have to have a bible reference for every single lesson, which is kind of superfluous when one is trying to recreate Newton's apple drop lesson on gravity.

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I'm all for private tutoring, if you can afford it, btw.

If you're primarily homeschooling, a few focused classes with professional tutors or co-ops isn't terriblely expensive.  Far less expensive than the $12K per year per child that the state spends on public education.  All totalled, with the yearly packaged curriculium and the money we spend for coops, group classes, tutored classes and a few museum trips each year; I'd say that I spend about $8K per year for all my kids.  I could probably afford private school with that (my parents did for myself and my siblings) but homeschooling works well for us.
4095  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Your child brings this letter home from school... on: July 21, 2011, 06:47:39 PM
I think "standards of measurement" is a pretty dumb thing to argue about when teaching your kid. I grew up on Metric, came to us, was all "wtf is this foot and inch stuff?" and now after many years forgot metric. But I can always look it up.

What would concern me most is that parents, not being aware of what new knowledge is out there (without research on multiple subjects being their full time job), could be stuck teaching their children only what they themselves know. Sure, basic math, basic science, literature, and geography don't change much, but by choosing to "not subjugate your child by letting the state decide what to teach," a homeschooling parent can inadvertently subjugate their child to what a book publisher, that is also used by the state, decides the child should learn, without an experience teacher being able to comment on current events.
And yes, home schooled children can beat the crap out of public school children in things like basic math, science, and english, but as I said, those things don't change.  (as example, b=my high school science/astronomy teacher tended to go on tangents about theories of warped/limited universe and basic string theory stuff, despite it not being covered in the book, and allowed students interested in the topic to stay and discuss after class)

This is a common error that observers make.  Homeschooling is a misnomer, as the kids rarely stay home.  For example, my kids have art, dance and singing classes and a weekly 'co-op' set of classes taught by other parents.  I also have access to retired teachers who do contract work.  My kids took two years of Spanish from one such teacher, who formed a weekly class of about 12 homeschooled students, who then met at a local public library.  The reason that homeschoolers tend to do so well in every subject is because homeschooled children are taught how to think far better than that can be developed as a skill in a large classroom setting.  The only professional skills that teachers are taught, that other college graduagtes are not, are the skills of crowd management and child psychology, which are both neccessary when dealling with 30+ children for hours each day that you don't know in a familiar way.  Institutional educations is profoundly efficient, but that does not mean that it's more effective.

While I might not be able to teach my own children how to play a piano, I still have far more access to those who can than the average public schooled child or his parents.
4096  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I was asked a tough question, who can help me answer? on: July 21, 2011, 06:10:43 PM
Bitcoin isn't deflationary yet and won't be for decades at least.  Technically, it won't be until 2133, when the block reward drops to zero; but in practice it may turn deflationary at some point in the middle if the loss of bitcoin addresses exceeds the creation of new coins.  Presently, Bitcoin is still inflating at over 40% APR (decending) and will not drop below the common 'target' inflation rate of 2% APR until about 2020.  So regardless of where one lands on the 'deflationary spiral' debate, it has no bearing on why Bitcoin should or should not be used in our lifetimes.  Our grandchildren might have a real reason to have this debate around 2050 or so.  The 2030 date that so many articles throw around is just crap.
4097  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Your child brings this letter home from school... on: July 21, 2011, 03:10:13 AM
Kids should be taught the basics of measurement, not taught measurement systems.  They can be introduced to them, so that they are aware of the different systems, but no one really knows these kinds of things until they are old enough to need them.  Neither a kilometer nor a mile means much in the context of the average 8 year old.

But an inch and a centimeter sure do mean a lot.  I remember sitting there in school and realizing that I could easily guess how long things were in inches, after using them for so many years.  Conversely I learned to weigh things in grams and it's very easy to estimate values when weighing. 
I understand you are saying we should have the right to learn whatever system we want, or no system at all.  I just don't see how it's possible to teach someone, say, language without them using grammar.  Why do you feel so strongly about not teaching a particular measuring system?  Are you against people teaching the standard clock, or should people decide how long they want their second to be?  I agree that people shouldn't be pushed to accept what everyone else takes for granted, but at the same time we can't communicate without common language.

I teach my kids the units of measurements that they need for the problem at hand.  My son's tape measure has both a metric and a AS edge.  He could have chosen either, he chose to use the one that made the most sense to him at the time and in the context, which was a foot.  He didn't use either inches nor meters, as either unit would have been less intuitive for his problem.

To illustrate this concept, take another practicum problem that I have not yet used on my kids.  How do you weight a car, using only a pressure gauge, a pencil, a ruler and four sheets of blank paper?  The answer is that you have Dad park the car over top of the paper, trace the footprint of the tyres, and measure the tire pressures.  Then you use the ruler to make an estimate as to the area of the paper, multiply that by the pressure measurements, and add up all four results.

In AS, the pressure is Pounds-Per-Square-Inch so the paper traces are calculated in inches, and then the raw pressure measurement is multiplied.  Add them up and you are done

However, in Metric the pressure unit is the Pascal, or the Newtwon/Meter.  (No, I didn't remember that, like my own kids would do if they needed to, I simply looked it up)  So to start with one would have to measure the area in square centimeters and then convert to square meters.  Not that hard, surely, but an extra step.  Then one would have to multiply out and add up, and end up with Newtons, a unit of force instead of weight.  If the unit is wrong, the answer is wrong; so we are looking for kilograms.  To get there, we would have to involve the exceleration of gravity (2.2 m/s squared, if I recall correctly).  So the math just got way more complicated, unless the problem solver knew the shortcut that a Newton was (roughly) equal to 102 grams at Earth gravity or knew to look it up.  But why would an eight year old know that, or choose to go to the trouble?  This just illustrates what I have said about Metric in other threads, it workds well for sciences beause it was invented by scientists for their own ends.  AS appears more complicated, but is usually more practical in practice becauseit was evolved by people who freely (in most cases) choose to use those particular units.  The student should be able to use whatever unit of measurement he favors.
4098  Other / Off-topic / Re: Holland just went bezerk! on: July 21, 2011, 02:41:43 AM

You do realize that any libertarian worth their salt is for 100% free and unrestricted borders, don't you?


More or less, yes.  But the progressive dream is unified political power, i.e. a world state.  Their support of immigrants have less to do with the rights of immigrants and everything to do with increasing political power.  Same is true with the 'right', except they favor more social control, which generally requires that there be a distinct politcal scapegoat class.  That used to be a racial or religious distinction, now it's a distinction of origin (which is really racial or religious anyway).  The politcal base doesn't really care about immigrants on either side, so neither side's politcal base has much incentive to object to their party's political gaming of other peoples' rights.  When the day comes that the political left has to choose between pandering to immigrants (or any other politically dependent social class) or maintaining the social support networks, the support networks will win.  It's those very social programs that increase their political power, and open borders are incompatible with a welfare state.
4099  Other / Off-topic / Re: Holland just went bezerk! on: July 21, 2011, 12:27:47 AM
The progressive dream is becoming a reality. The state will control everything, for your own good obviously.

Hopefully more people like you will refuse to comply, its the only way it will stop. Im in Europe too and wont comply if implemented in my country.

Using the police state against undocumented immigrants isn't a progressive dream. It's a plan being pushed by the far-right in every country where it is being implemented - including across the US and Europe. Progressives generally argue for more open borders.


I'm sure that they love you in the little world that you live in, but this one doesn't really look anything like that one.
4100  Other / Off-topic / Re: Holland just went bezerk! on: July 21, 2011, 12:25:15 AM

What is your opinion on this?

I'd be on the look out for brown shirts, if I were you.

They won't be brown this time around, perhaps green.  Or wearing blue helmets.
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