Done a coin request on polo and mentioned the distribution... and customer expectations being set by eth classic. We'll all have to move our btc temporarily off their exchange if they won't do it, no one wants that .

Seems like this would be a great solution if it works... more distribution and exposure as well as addressing the exchange's big wallets. A lot of people will need to request this stuff though, polo and other big exchanges won't budge for a few requests, it'll take a lot imo. :/

/CLAP, well said!

Good job tonych! Great distribution method and the tech sounds very exciting. Very impressed with every aspect of the project so far.

Lol @ the ridiculous criticisms of the distribution method. I hold a lot of alts, many of which I can't convert to btc and back because the liquidity/vol is too low and it would cost me a fortune (some newer coins don't even have enough orders in the book to cover my holdings). I'm not complaining though, the method is completely fair and I will cobble together what BTC I can closer to the time.

I wouldn't worry too much about how broad the distribution is anyway, if the tech does what it says it won't matter that much. IOTA only had 300 ICO buyers, it hasn't stopped it shooting up to top 10 market cap before it has even hit any exchanges.

The only concern I see is that exchanges keep coins due to their customers. Is there any way you could refuse claims from wallets that belong to exchanges? Most of those addresses are known and the size of the claims would make them pretty obvious too. Perhaps a 1000btc claim cap per address or some such? Obviously exchanges could split the money and move it around to get away with it, but I doubt many would jump through a lot of hoops for an unknown, new alt. Have you been in contact with any of the big ones to ask if they will give bytes straight to customers?

I will be keeping an eye on this one.

Yeah, it is impossible to really gauge the potential value of IOTAs, but it seems quite likely there will be a fairly big hype bubble. I'm strapped in and expecting some fireworks.

I'm one of the ICO buyers though, so my own bias and optimism probably colours my expectations

The ICO was around 300 participants wasn't it?

I guess there must be a few OTC buyers too ofc, but I doubt there have been thousands of them yet, so it's still a sellers market until a few weeks on exchanges really helps the distribution along.

Seems unlikely with only 300 sellers and a whole market keen to acquire a slice. A lot of asks were removed because they were bought up.

I'd say sellers with lower expectations are largely sold out and there's a lot of stubborn money left in very few hands

I thought that the $200M release bubble being shouted about sounded very optimistic at first, but actually it wouldn't surprise me at all. If the Asian market really does decide they want some iotas I think it sounds quite reasonable to expect another 5-10x from here before any business starts using it or any more major developments happen.

I guess time will tell, but even a $200M market cap seems modest for tech like this in a market like this...

If anyone does want to sell 1Ti that cheap I'll give you 16 btc for it

1m txs and ll the manual claims have to be done, plus exchanges probably still need to do some integration.

It wouldn't be unreasonable to suggest that it might hit exchanges at the end of this month, but unmet expectations are the source of all frustration in the world, so better to expect the inevitable delays (what crypto project doesn't have them constantly?), then you won't be disappointed when it's xmas.

At the end of the day even that would be a year for thousands of % return... definitely not something anyone can really complain about .

We're all impatient, best advice is expect the delays, expect next year, be happy when you're cynicism is eventually wrong and it does hit exchanges . lolz. There is more peace of mind on this side of the expectations fence imo .

And on reflection, it must have been hard for you to swallow David's criticisms and personal jabs about fruitless development a few months back, knowing you were sitting on this, but unable to tell anyone yet. 

He did not handle that very professionally imo.

The more I read in the white paper the more I like (of what I can get my head around anyway ).

Very cool stuff!

Thanks I will read up about supernet when i get the time (had heard about it in iota slack previously, but really know very little about it). Links are appreciated, as is the helpful attitude. /thumbs up

Thanks James, that does clear it up a bit. Was there something about revenue sharing supernet or some such as well? I may have misunderstand, I was skimming because the thread is already too long to catch up really (busy busy).

Ordinarily I like to get in at the bottom of things. Seeing that buying BTCD at any time previously this year could have got you in at half to a third of the ICO price makes me a little uneasy. This makes a huge difference to ROI at the end of a pretty risky, long hold and it puts profitable sellers between you and your profitable positions.

I do like the tech and I think it has great potential. I will likely invest something, although probably not as much as I first thought I might. If this ICO also raises a lot then any serious returns will be a long, long way away and there are a lot of other speculative opportunities that are likely to yield bigger returns more quickly imo.

It's a shame this project is having to make compromises to its history and evolution. If this were an independent ICO with no previously cheaper prices or history then I would likely throw a lot more money at it.

Just throwing in my 2 cents here btw. I'm very impressed with it all and not meaning to sound negative (although I am a miserable git generally ). I understand why you have had to make the choices you have made. They all seem quite sensible. I'm just sharing my thoughts because it might be helpful to paint a picture later on of what some people thought: if the ICO doesn't get quite as big as you had hoped.

I'm not sure there's much you could do differently so it's not a criticism, I'm just letting you know why some folks like me might stick in less than you'd think, even though it is undoubtedly a promising proposition.

Good stuff though, I will participate for sure.

I find all of this very interesting and the tech is promising.

However, I was not involved in and know nothing about SUPERnet or BTCD, so much of this thread is quite confusing for me.

I am finding it hard to make sense of the different angles here and to understand what I should do to maximise my value if I want to invest a decent amount of BTC into this.

Should I be buying BTCDs now to hold and exchange? how/where should I hold them? What's this business about dividends and getting some free stake in SUPERnet?

Really, if you want people like me to invest a lot of btc then you need to make it very clear for us exactly what we need to do now to get the max value from our investment.

If we get to the ICO and I find out that I could have got a few advantages by doing things differently (buying BTCD now etc) then it will put me off investing at all as I will feel I missed the real opportunity on offer - and many like me will feel the same.

I hope you'll make it very clear for those who have no knowledge of BTCD or SUPERnet exactly what they need to do now. If you want to attract 10's of thousands of btc then you will need to attract a lot of fresher blood than just your usual crowd. I applaud you not giving preferential treatment to BTCD holders. You are right, I would not invest a single btc if preference had been given. But don't forget, I also won't invest if I feel that I missed the boat on anything, and I know nothing about any of the other projects or income possibilities that are mentioned in this thread, they are not explained properly, so it leaves newcomers feeling very confused.

Please produce an idiot-proof guide for new btc investors with no previous knowledge of your other projects.

What should I be doing now if I want to get involved and get the most bang for my buck?

Thanks, good work, the scope and implications for the project are indeed fascinating.

Early Nov, not Dec... from blockcount anyway... around Nov 3rd but subject to change by the look of it.

Literally anyone who has followed crypto for the last couple of years and knows anything about nxt and iota knows how funny this is... lolz. I'm going to have to downgrade your trust rating now that I know you are a scammer/liar .

That is too funny  , I don't even know where to start, I'm not sure a single fact in there is actually correct lol. Like literally, not one thing is correct. No wonder this guy got scammed, due diligence is clearly not a priority lol.

EDIT: Ok maybe cfb can seem a little arrogant sometimes (totally unrelated to narcissism), but that's the only thing I'll give you in all of that.

wow, you really are seven shades of special aren't you?!

do you have any idea how juvenile, pathetic and laughable your posting has become. I'd just close your account and start again.

/sigh at the behaviour of apparently grown adults  

devs don't owe you any support, this is a decentralised platform... might as well ask the btc devs since you lost btc not iotas... maybe that's what dom meant

Really?  

Between $30m and $200m within 14 days of going on exchanges imo (broad range, but I'd be happy to bet above $25M for sure)... we'll see very soon though I guess. Doesn't really matter much anyway, it's all speculated value for now, give it a year or two, then maybe we'll have a better idea of how much it is really worth.

I'll beat cfb to the punch... it's not designed for people, it's for machines. IOTA doesn't mind confusing a few potential crypto investors, as long as savvy business understands why it wants what IOTA does.

Very poorly thought out and poorly executed scam... you'd have to be a proper dribbling retard to send any money to this two-bit con-artist lol.

Is it worth the effort when no one is stupid enough to fall for it?

 

you can dl the latest iri here https://www.dropbox.com/s/6g7j3hs92zjbife/IRI.zip?dl=0 (updated every hour).

n1, 6Ti would get the total moving again

And none of this is relevant with this dude getting scammed. You should not be nannying him and none of you have handled it badly at all. It wasn't this guy I was referring to when I originally agreed with someone else's comment that communication skills were not top of the list on iota's talent board and I was mainly agreeing to the last part telling him to 'move on'.

"You are free to have whatever opinion you want of me, but I encourage you to take a look through the times I have been what you deem 'disrespectful', I cannot recall a single time I have not been proven right, but you are free to give me an example where I have been."

I never once accused you of being "disrespectful"? I quite clearly said I have a high opinion of you and never used that word.

"but as someone who is religiously attached to rationality and objective truth I will continue to point out when you are wrong."

Apparently not? Since the word you've quoted and asked me to justify is not a word I used and not one I would use! You are professional, not disrespectful.

The only vague insult I levelled at you was completely true, that you can be a little "acerbic", as can CFB and Dom from time to time. It's no big deal, you don't need to defend yourself so passionately. It's ok to just shrug it off and say 'meh, yeah maybe we could have been a little bit more sensitive on occasion'. I also framed my comments with plenty of deserved compliments that you ignored. I'm a lot further from perfect than any of you I'm sure.

"ascerbic":    sharp, sarcastic, sardonic, satirical, scathing, cutting, razor-edged, incisive, penetrating, piercing, biting, stinging, searing, keen...

If you're really attached to rationality and objective truth then I recommend you broaden the horizon and spend a very worthwhile 3 hours learning something from a true genius about non-violent communication. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwXH4hNfgPg

NVC changed my life. I was much more like you guys before I watched that video for the first time lol . You'll never look at communication issues in the same way again.

It certainly helps make communication more effective and pleasant when we consider it from a "feelings and needs" perspective. Marshall passed away recently, but his legacy has grown into a global movement. You just need to get past the cringe-making song in the first 5 mins. Once you are half-way through you'll already see then genius of it, if you're half as smart as you seem to be .

I am not trying to teach you anything David, you are the one doing things to change the world, I'm just saying what I see and sharing what I know, and I'm obviously saying it poorly because I'm making you defensive instead of constructive. I suspect I need to go back and watch that video for the fifth time myself .

Much love to you David, I'm sorry you saw more of the criticism than compliments in my post, I really do appreciate what you do for the project and you can see that if you re-read my post again with a constructive frame of mind instead of a defensive one. I agree that your attitude has been somewhat necessary, although I do contend that NVC would have helped you handle it 'better'.