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341  Economy / Economics / Re: Invest in BTC vs Invest in Real Estate? on: June 29, 2018, 09:49:35 AM
Bitcoin chart is going up and down some times I am thinking maybe I should invest part of my BTC (at least the part of the profit  I’ve made on crypto) into something real?!
Let’s say I can buy share of real estate company and get the part of profit (50-100% per Year).
  
Should I
                Spend all my BTC on that shares?
                Spend small (profit) part?
                Or just do nothing and wait?

Huh?!

I’ll do appreciate for answers with any suggestions and recommendations!

I think bitcoin investment is new form of real estate investment. Bitcoin investment has always proved to be very beneficial one because your profit ratio is always confirmed and moreover you have very good profit ratio. Moreover bitcoin investment always requires a very wise decision as you need to be very wise while investing into bitcoin so one can even can’t compare the bitcoin investment with to that gambling where only luck factor plays a role so I believe that bitcoin investment is much better and profitable than real estate investment.
342  Economy / Speculation / Re: What is the reason of raising bitcoin ? on: June 29, 2018, 09:33:53 AM
The price of Bitcoin went up by over 210% during the past year, trading from about $450 in mid-2016 to record-breaking levels of $1,400 in May 2017. In the eight years since its founding, Bitcoin has braved skepticism, rejection, and experienced volatility, to the present day, when it?s slowly being recognized by governments and even dubbed as an emerging asset class. Here?s a look at the dynamics behind Bitcoin?s rising price.

Bitcoin was created in the wake of the 2008 global financial crisis to operate outside of central governments, banks and financial institutions. Over these years, Bitcoin?s framework has challenged regulators, as most of them struggled to find ways to bring it under control. This led to some countries banning it or making it illegal, while some others remained observant and the rest worked out ways to tax and regulate its operations. However, the ?uncertainty? angle remained in sight. Although there still isn?t a very clear stance by many countries, a number of nations are coming out in support of the cryptocurrency.

Japan has recently recognized Bitcoin as a legal method of payment, although it continues to be treated as an asset, and not as a currency. In India, the Department of Economic Affairs, Ministry of Finance has constituted a committee to examine the existing framework around Virtual Currencies (VCs). The committee will not just examine the present status of VCs in India and around the globe, but will also suggest measures to deal with consumer protection and money laundering. The committee will be submitting its report by July.

At the same time, Russia, a staunch opponent of cryptocurrencies, has taken a U-turn. In an interview to Bloomberg, Russian Deputy Finance Minister Alexey Moiseev said that in an attempt to combat money laundering, the Russian authorities hope to legalize bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies as a financial instrument in 2018. He further stated, ?The state needs to know who at every moment of time stands on both sides of the financial chain. If there?s a transaction, the people who facilitate it should understand from whom they bought and to whom they were selling, just like with bank operations.? While, the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas (BSP), the central bank of the Republic of the Philippines, issued a guideline recognizing Bitcoin as a legal payment method.

The legitimacy of Bitcoin?s existence doesn?t just come in direct ways; approvals of investment products based on Bitcoin indicate what regulators think - the reason why Bitcoin prices tanked to about $900 levels from $1300 when SEC disapproved of the Bitcoin ETF by Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss. Nevertheless, the SEC was positive for the future, as the document read, ?The Commission notes that bitcoin is still in the relatively early stages of its development and that, over time, regulated bitcoin-related markets of significant size may develop. Should such markets develop, the Commission could consider whether a bitcoin ETP would, based on the facts and circumstances then presented, be consistent with the requirements of the Exchange Act.? Interestingly, SEC has now granted a request for review of its decision of disapproval.

The efforts to bring Bitcoin-linked products are a direct result of its growing demand as more and more people are looking to invest in cryptocurrencies. Although there are products such as Grayscale Bitcoin Investment Trust (GBTC), which is traded OTC (filed with SEC for a NYSE listing) and exchange-traded funds from ARK Investment Management, they offer limited exposure and opportunity to invest in Bitcoins. While the former is meant only for accredited investors, the latter have a very small holding in Bitcoins.

However, there is an option to invest for the long-term in Bitcoins for retirement by opening a self-directed Bitcoin IRA account, approved by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). The scheme has been welcomed warmly and has gathered around $10 million till date, which reflects the underlying confidence of investors. (Related reading, see: This is the First Bitcoin IRA Approved by the IRS)

Bitcoin start-ups have attracted huge investments in Bitcoin and [Suspicious link removed]panies with a total funding of $550 million in 2016, as per a report. Additionally, many prominent investors have been raising direct stakes in Bitcoin, thus suggesting an optimistic future for cryptocurrencies. Billionaire Mike Novogratz recently revealed that he holds 10% of his net worth in cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin and Ethereum . He now predicts Bitcoin to go past $2,000. (Related Reading, see: More Billionaires Are Buying Cryptocurrencies)

?Today Bitcoins have a market capitalization of $23 billion, if two years from now that number is $100 billion, I would not be surprised,? says Amith Nirgunarthy, CEO, BlockStreet.

It’s only the characteristic and advantages of bitcoin that has made bitcoin to rise so high and now the bitcoin is leading currency among all crypto and thus is more successful among all crypto currencies, if we look at the success stories of bitcoin since 2008 then we can see that bitcoin has made such a tremendous progress since it was introduced, so there are millions of reasons why bitcoin is so much popular and why bitcoin has millions of investors to invest into it.
343  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Let's make more companies to accept bitcoin payment. on: June 29, 2018, 09:15:11 AM
Let's make more companies to accept bitcoin payment.

I have send email to some companies in the UK to ask them to add Bitpay as a payment option.

Let's start an Operation Bitcoin. All of us send emails to companies to ask them to accept bitcoin.  Smiley


We all know that bitcoin is very versatile and sustainable crypto currency and millions of people are investing into bitcoin but still there are people who are completely unaware of bitcoin and there are many remote areas where bitcoin is completely an amen technology and we all have to make an effort so that more and more people can come to know about the bitcoin. Your awareness idea is also very good because companies are the big investors who could invest very huge amount into the bitcoin.
344  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin will get legitimacy in all countries? on: June 29, 2018, 08:50:08 AM
Many countries think that Bitcoin is harmful for their country. They think that Bitcoin will create inflation in their country. But is that right? Will Bitcoin never get all the legitimacy?
I don’t think that the picture is that clear as it seem to be. Bitcoin has been going through many controversy just because of its legalisation in all countries. There are very few countries who has still legalised bitcoin and using bitcoin for normal and for daily basis transactions but still there are many countries who are completely in against of bitcoin and to take them in favour of bitcoin we have to organise awareness campaigns so that the whole world comes in favour of bitcoin and thus it can be declared as currency of the world.
345  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto faster & cheaper? on: June 29, 2018, 08:33:19 AM
Bitcoin fees are higher than any other coin. This is due to a lack of scalability and thus high mining fees, which also effects transaction speeds. Ethereum and LiteCoin have much lower fees and send much faster. XRP is cheaper and faster than that. IOTA is free but their wallet is not quite up to par yet. This market is still very young and growing. Eventually these issues will be worked out. But the great thing about competition is that you can choose which method you want to use. And if you’d rather stay in the fiat world you’re free to do that as well.
Bitcoin is very good crypto currency and I am always in support of bitcoin only because bitcoin has always helped me a lot and most importantly bitcoin has made be self independent and now I can bear all my expenses by my own only , I think there is no high fee of bitcoin transactions though the transaction fee has hiked in recent months because of improper regulating body of bitcoin but still I believe that things will go good and all will set in favour of bitcoin.
346  Economy / Services / Re: ivyKoin Signature and Avatar Campaign(FULL) on: June 28, 2018, 04:42:09 PM
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347  Economy / Economics / Re: The Supply of Bitcoin Is Limited. The Supply of Cryptos Isn't! on: June 28, 2018, 08:13:10 AM
So, if Bitcoin really takes off, we think we have an honest, state-free money.  No central bank, or anyone, can create bitcoins past the 21 million limit.

Correct?  In practice, no.

What Western central banks are doing now is getting us used to the idea of multiple cryptocurrencies being viable.  When they use their printed money to buy some new cryptos, their values go up.  

One simple example of how they can continue to expand their money supply is to have a basket of cryptos against which they 'manage' exchange rates with dollars, euro, etc.  Say, at first this basket contains 1 BTC, 10 ETH, and 100 LTC, and the Fed and US government have an official or unofficial policy of keeping this basket at the price of $100K, with a combination of keeping money printing and public debt under control, and selling the BTC/ETH/LTC in its vaults to scare savers away from moving their dollars into coins.

As time goes on, the Fed will want to create more dollars.  (As it always has.)  Then they will  buy up lots of new cryptocurrency XYZ (cheap) with their dollars, and raise the price of XYZ.  After XYZ has 'proven itself in the market with its technical superiority,' the Fed will add it to the basket, and the new basket will be priced at $120K.  Since the 'base money' has expanded by 20%, the number of dollars can also be expanded by 20%.

This is only one of many variations.  The Fed doesn't even have to declare a basket (as mentioned above.)  Whatever it buys will rise in value, and will become part of the 'basket'.  Whatever it abandons will die out.  It will have all the power.

The system will be no different from the early days of gold and silver standards, but with a new twist: there are an unlimited number of new gold and silver mines, and only central banks know where they are!

So, I'm still thinking that gold and silver, whose scarcity is secured by physics, rather than computer code, are the superior forms of money for improving our freedom from governments and bankers.
Obviously you are very right with your statement. There are hundreds of crypto currencies available in the market  like bitcoin, etherum, litcoin , bitcoin cash and more more , I don’t know the names even the other names of crypto currencies. So this statement is somewhere correct that the supply of bitcoin is limited but crypto isn’t, because crypto currencies are infinite and to that of bitcoin is limited but still the supply of bitcoin is still a lot into circulation and could never be end to a very great time.
348  Economy / Economics / Re: regulation and legalization of cryptocurrency on: June 28, 2018, 08:01:53 AM
There 7 cryptocurrency that are legal in thailand , its Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash, Ethereum, Ethereum Classic, Ripple, Litecoin, and Stellar. They also regulate the ICO. Now ICO can't be traded with fiat anymore and there is a fee for license.

http://www.livebitcoinnews.com/thai-sec-confirms-ico-tokens-will-not-be-traded-against-fiat-currencies/

What do you think about this regulations? I think its fair enough and i do think in few months 7 of this coin value could be increasing if more country has the similar regulations such as thailand.



I think it is very controversial question now a days about the legalisation and regulations of bitcoin. Bitcoin, the all time controversial currency among all crypto currencies has always be in hot topics because of its regulations and legalisation of bitcoin. There are no set of rules and regulations regarding bitcoin and still there are few countries who has legalised bitcoin like Thailand,South Korea, Florida who has legalised bitcoin in their nation and using it for many transactions.
349  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin vs Uber on: June 28, 2018, 07:44:57 AM
Bitcoin market cap:  $8.3 billion
Uber the taxi app:  $18+ billion
 
Is it just me, or something is wrong with this picture  Huh
Obviously über is a very good earning app and those who are in über are earning very good and those über cab driver are earning more than any good paid engineer so no doubt über is a very good profit earning business but there is no life in working for über . Bitcoin investing is completely and entirely different from that of in über earning and there is very great profit ahead with the bitcoin also and bitcoin investment has a good social life and no doubt there is very good profit.
350  Economy / Services / Re: Nexybit Hybrid Exchange Signature Campaign on: June 28, 2018, 07:22:39 AM
The manager is honest and makes payments on time.
351  Economy / Economics / Re: Invest in BTC vs Invest in Real Estate? on: June 28, 2018, 06:41:20 AM
Bitcoin chart is going up and down some times I am thinking maybe I should invest part of my BTC (at least the part of the profit  I’ve made on crypto) into something real?!
Let’s say I can buy share of real estate company and get the part of profit (50-100% per Year).
  
Should I
                Spend all my BTC on that shares?
                Spend small (profit) part?
                Or just do nothing and wait?

Huh?!

I’ll do appreciate for answers with any suggestions and recommendations!

Though investing  into real estate is considered to be the most wisest and profitable investment these times because people thinks mother is better investing into real estate because investing into real estate can double your profit but if we look at the investing into bitcoin, then it is more profitable than any other investment, though not every people know about the bitcoin but if we compare between real estate and bitcoin investment then I will support bitcoin investment.
352  Economy / Economics / Re: Is bitcoin actually protecting fiat money? on: June 27, 2018, 07:47:14 AM
The biggest threat to fiat money is inflation. Inflation can be cured by injecting wealth into the economy and by that rising enough belief to keep the system afloat. This can be done for instance by occupying foreign countries and by that opening up new markets to the companies that are essential to the economy. Or this can be done by loose regulations with the derivatives markets, that will create wealth out of thin air and high hopes.

Can it be that pumping of the crypto markets is just another financial shenanigan created to keep the old system afloat?
They are creating new wealth out of nothing with cryptos, just like with derivatives. The made up wealth that is created, is actually backing the value of fiat. This would make sense why regulators seem so blind on goxdollars and tether.
I don’t think that bitcoin is ever protecting Fiat currency, on the contrary , all the crypto currencies are threat to Fiat currency. All the Fiat currency exists in physical form and they are more prone to get stolen easily by anyone but it is not with any of the crypto currency, they are in virtual or in digital form and there is least risk of get stolen so they are more liked by people and the days are not away when these virtual currency will replace this Fiat currency.
353  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto faster & cheaper? on: June 27, 2018, 07:27:46 AM
Bitcoin fees are higher than any other coin. This is due to a lack of scalability and thus high mining fees, which also effects transaction speeds. Ethereum and LiteCoin have much lower fees and send much faster. XRP is cheaper and faster than that. IOTA is free but their wallet is not quite up to par yet. This market is still very young and growing. Eventually these issues will be worked out. But the great thing about competition is that you can choose which method you want to use. And if you’d rather stay in the fiat world you’re free to do that as well.
I don’t think that this comparison between bitcoin and other crypto currencies is good and right because there is no competition exists between two. Bitcoin is entirely a different currency and is more developed and successful than other crypto currencies but yes this characteristic is good that you are free to use any currency and any method to transact your currency and you are even free to use Fiat currency even over crypto currency, there are no such boundations.
354  Economy / Economics / Re: Forever(?) lost coins on: June 27, 2018, 07:13:43 AM
Hi all,
i'm pretty new to bitcoin but already using it and also experimenting with new ideas/code. Great concept!

Anyway i wonder what happens with lost coins?
Like when some people with many coins lose their wallet file.
Are they lost forever, and worst for the whole system? Since the generation of the coins are limited as i have read, are those lost coins regenerated at some point too?

So when many people lose their files, maybe through a terrible bug.. well go figure.

Can somebody please explain what would happen and if there are already methods to prevent or something(except backing up, but it's not always possible, e.g. a bad government takes your computer..).
Ok, in RL life, when you lose money it's also forever lost(when noone finds it). But since in BC it's a limited generation of new coins it looks different i think, or am i missing something?
Maybe one solution would be that the network will also forget about those coins when the original node/node with that wallet/ID haven't connected for a very very long time(maybe ~40, ~100 years? on the other hand it might be bad for descent to your child who will knew about your "wallet file" very late etc.) and let's the network regenerate those coins.

Well, i'm not really sure how this is working yet, but just thought about this. Maybe someone can explain/think about this who has more knowledge of bitcoin/it's economics. Smiley

Thank you.

I don’t think that bitcoin will ever be lost or will ever be faded away because I strongly believe that bitcoin is very sustainable crypto currency and it will going to last for further many decades. And if we look at the past of bitcoin since year 2008 , bitcoin has made a great success, from the valuation of 10₹ to current valuation of ₹ 400000 , the success simply indicated by these increased valuation and I believe that this will further success more and will surely end up to be currency of the world.
355  Economy / Economics / Re: Study says being rich is determined by chance rather than intelligence or talent on: June 27, 2018, 06:55:18 AM
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If you’re so smart, why aren’t you rich? Turns out it’s just chance

The most successful people are not the most talented, just the luckiest, a new computer model of wealth creation confirms. Taking that into account can maximize return on many kinds of investment.

The distribution of wealth follows a well-known pattern sometimes called an 80:20 rule: 80 percent of the wealth is owned by 20 percent of the people. Indeed, a report last year concluded that just eight men had a total wealth equivalent to that of the world’s poorest 3.8 billion people.

This seems to occur in all societies at all scales. It is a well-studied pattern called a power law that crops up in a wide range of social phenomena. But the distribution of wealth is among the most controversial because of the issues it raises about fairness and merit. Why should so few people have so much wealth?

The conventional answer is that we live in a meritocracy in which people are rewarded for their talent, intelligence, effort, and so on. Over time, many people think, this translates into the wealth distribution that we observe, although a healthy dose of luck can play a role.

But there is a problem with this idea: while wealth distribution follows a power law, the distribution of human skills generally follows a normal distribution that is symmetric about an average value. For example, intelligence, as measured by IQ tests, follows this pattern. Average IQ is 100, but nobody has an IQ of 1,000 or 10,000.

The same is true of effort, as measured by hours worked. Some people work more hours than average and some work less, but nobody works a billion times more hours than anybody else.

And yet when it comes to the rewards for this work, some people do have billions of times more wealth than other people. What’s more, numerous studies have shown that the wealthiest people are generally not the most talented by other measures.

What factors, then, determine how individuals become wealthy? Could it be that chance plays a bigger role than anybody expected? And how can these factors, whatever they are, be exploited to make the world a better and fairer place
?

Today we get an answer thanks to the work of Alessandro Pluchino at the University of Catania in Italy and a couple of colleagues. These guys have created a computer model of human talent and the way people use it to exploit opportunities in life. The model allows the team to study the role of chance in this process.

The results are something of an eye-opener. Their simulations accurately reproduce the wealth distribution in the real world. But the wealthiest individuals are not the most talented (although they must have a certain level of talent). They are the luckiest. And this has significant implications for the way societies can optimize the returns they get for investments in everything from business to science.

Pluchino and co’s model is straightforward. It consists of N people, each with a certain level of talent (skill, intelligence, ability, and so on). This talent is distributed normally around some average level, with some standard deviation. So some people are more talented than average and some are less so, but nobody is orders of magnitude more talented than anybody else.

This is the same kind of distribution seen for various human skills, or even characteristics like height or weight. Some people are taller or smaller than average, but nobody is the size of an ant or a skyscraper. Indeed, we are all quite similar
.

The computer model charts each individual through a working life of 40 years. During this time, the individuals experience lucky events that they can exploit to increase their wealth if they are talented enough.

However, they also experience unlucky events that reduce their wealth. These events occur at random.

At the end of the 40 years, Pluchino and co rank the individuals by wealth and study the characteristics of the most successful. They also calculate the wealth distribution. They then repeat the simulation many times to check the robustness of the outcome.

When the team rank individuals by wealth, the distribution is exactly like that seen in real-world societies. “The ‘80-20’ rule is respected, since 80 percent of the population owns only 20 percent of the total capital, while the remaining 20 percent owns 80 percent of the same capital,” report Pluchino and co.

That may not be surprising or unfair if the wealthiest 20 percent turn out to be the most talented. But that isn’t what happens. The wealthiest individuals are typically not the most talented or anywhere near it. “The maximum success never coincides with the maximum talent, and vice-versa,” say the researchers.

So if not talent, what other factor causes this skewed wealth distribution? “Our simulation clearly shows that such a factor is just pure luck,” say Pluchino and co.

The team shows this by ranking individuals according to the number of lucky and unlucky events they experience throughout their 40-year careers. “It is evident that the most successful individuals are also the luckiest ones,” they say. “And the less successful individuals are also the unluckiest ones.”

That has significant implications for society. What is the most effective strategy for exploiting the role luck plays in success?

Pluchino and co study this from the point of view of science research funding, an issue clearly close to their hearts. Funding agencies the world over are interested in maximizing their return on investment in the scientific world. Indeed, the European Research Council recently invested $1.7 million in a program to study serendipity—the role of luck in scientific discovery—and how it can be exploited to improve funding outcomes.

It turns out that Pluchino and co are well set to answer this question. They use their model to explore different kinds of funding models to see which produce the best returns when luck is taken into account.

The team studied three models, in which research funding is distributed equally to all scientists; distributed randomly to a subset of scientists; or given preferentially to those who have been most successful in the past. Which of these is the best strategy?

The strategy that delivers the best returns, it turns out, is to divide the funding equally among all researchers. And the second- and third-best strategies involve distributing it at random to 10 or 20 percent of scientists.

In these cases, the researchers are best able to take advantage of the serendipitous discoveries they make from time to time. In hindsight, it is obvious that the fact a scientist has made an important chance discovery in the past does not mean he or she is more likely to make one in the future.

A similar approach could also be applied to investment in other kinds of enterprises, such as small or large businesses, tech startups, education that increases talent, or even the creation of random lucky events.

Clearly, more work is needed here. What are we waiting for?

Ref: arxiv.org/abs/1802.07068 : Talent vs. Luck: The Role of Randomness in Success and Failure

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/610395/if-youre-so-smart-why-arent-you-rich-turns-out-its-just-chance/

A very interesting spin on anything that has ever been said about money, success or wealth!

I don't know what to think about this. The scaling argument which says 1% of the human population shouldn't own 40% of the world's wealth due to them not having IQ's of 200,000 or talent proportional to the highly disproportionate stake of wealth they control is something that will take time for me to digest and think about. Its certainly a novel concept.

Its also very interesting that they attempted to model along lines of standard deviation and wound up with a historical 20/80 wealth distribution. I think this is something which could use more exposure and media coverage. Its not often relatively original or new perspectives like this come along and the paradigm shift which can accompany them can often take decades to be fully appreciated within a pop culture vein.
Chance and luck pays a vital role in being rich but this statement not always holds true. As we all know that our parents keep on saying study hard otherwise you will not get good job or you will not get highly paid jobs just because we all know that money always comes from intelligence and talent though luck factor also plays some role in becoming rich but not always its always a matter of luck and chance but talent and intelligence is permanent.
356  Economy / Economics / Re: China is turning against cryptocurrencies?? on: June 27, 2018, 06:42:27 AM
After bans on exchanges and initial coin offerings, bitcoin miners fear they are next
I don’t think that there is something to fear about, because bitcoin is a type of crypto currency of which people initially fear, then fear, then becomes against of it and then started loving it and we guys are in hating phase right now in which most of the people and countries are in against of bitcoin and its a thing of exclaiming that developed country like China has banned bitcoin because there are many other developed countries like South Korea, Japan, Florida has legalised bitcoin.
357  Economy / Economics / Re: Good business is a business that begins, not questioned continuously on: June 26, 2018, 09:26:41 AM
Many people in this world are always questioning this, what is a good business? Well, good business is a business that begins, rather than being questioned because the hard thing in doing business is to walk to the first ladder. If we do not start a single step, we will never get to the top. Just as with trading, or investing in cryptocurrency, without trying and starting investing in it, you will not know how much profit you get, and how much experience you will receive if the market is down. Remember that experience is the best teacher.
Oh, finally I got a post in favour of bitcoin after a so long. Bitcoin is very sustainable crypto currency and its existence is for many decades. And I think bitcoin investment is the best investment in the world and as you stated in your post also that you cannot come to know about something unless you experience it personally and your experience is your best teacher and moreover there is a proverb in English that person learns from his failure only.
358  Economy / Economics / Re: Elasticity and inelasticity of bitcoin's supply and demand on: June 26, 2018, 08:40:59 AM
Demand:

1) My experience as a seller on localbitcoins.com tells me that there is a baseline daily demand of bitcoin coming from people who are price-agnostic such as Joe Schmoe who is buying $2000 worth of bitcoin per day for.. something. Maybe remittances. I never ask. But I will tell you that every day he needs $2000 worth of bitcoin no matter what the price is. He doesn't care what the price is. This component of total demand, measured in USD, is inelastic.

2) The second big component of bitcoin's demand is demand from people who are speculating. If bitcoin is in a downtrend and the market is pessimistic this demand can easily dry up to almost nothing. Speculators can take their money and buy some other asset. If everyone is super optimistic about bitcoin, then this demand can skyrocket thousands and thousands of percent and has practically no ceiling. This component of the total demand is extremely elastic.

Supply:

1) There is a fixed supply schedule. Currently, roughly ~3600 coins are created per day in the form of block rewards. Miners choose whether or not to sell part of this, all of this, or none of this. But the maximum amount of new bitcoin that can be put on to the market per day from miners has a ceiling of 3600 coins. If a miner keeps his bitcoin for more than 24 hours or a week after he mines them, he becomes no different from a speculator.  So although there's a fixed supply schedule, this component of the total supply is elastic because miners choose whether or not to put mined coins on the market. They can choose to be speculators.

2) Speculators are the second big component of supply. Most bitcoin lays dormant at any given time and most bitcoin are distributed between a small number of big holders. The amount that can move onto the market on any given day from speculators is absolutely enormous. 15 million coins can be put up for sale tomorrow. (In reality, this never happens. Even during the bubble that would've made Satoshi a billionaire and Roger Ver a quarter-billionaire, we didn't see the dumps. Likely because these holders are too smart to dump all at once and suffer extreme slippage.) In any event, this component of bitcoin's supply is extremely elastic.

In the end, the supply is totally elastic and the demand is partially inelastic. We have two extreme scenarios:

1)  The price is bouncing along the price floor created by price-agnostic Joe Schmoe because sentiment is very low and miners are selling everything they mine. Speculators are heavily shorting and selling. (It's impossible to calculate what the price floor is, but there is some price floor created by inelastic demand from Joe Schmoe.)

2) When sentiment is very high, we have the supply of coins from miners drying and the  supply of coins from speculators also drying. It's hard to get coins at any reasonable price. Speculators borrow heavily to buy.  

The Halving:
The next question is what should happen during a halving? It depends on which situation we are closer to. If we are near the floor created by inelastic demand, we would expect the halving to have a big impact. If most mined bitcoin are being sold, and shorters are as short as they can get, then the supply will drastically be reduced when miners have only half as much coin to sell.

But if the price is high and sentiment is high, then the change in supply might be negligible because the supply of coins from (greedy speculating) miners would already be low. It cannot go negative.

Conclusion:

1. Bitcoin has a floor but practically no ceiling. But it's impossible to calculate where the floor is.
2. The effect of the halving really depends on market sentiment at the time of the halving. It could be large or insignificant.
Bitcoin is very volatile crypto currency and its valuation keep on flactuation and like I use to say in my earlier posts also that the flactuation in valuation is governed by many factors like market circulation of bitcoin like if there is shortage of bitcoin in the market then the demand increases and the valuation inflates and vice versa. Second factor is amount of capital investors invest into bitcoin and yes this elastic and in elastic nature of valuation makes it volatile.
359  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Prices Are Falling Again. The Cause? on: June 26, 2018, 02:42:31 AM
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Bitcoin fell 2% early on Wednesday, dropping as low as $6,385. Other than one brief period in early February, when the cryptocurrency dipped below $6,000, today marks the lowest point for Bitcoin in 2018.

The latest Bitcoin crash appears to be a reaction to the release of a new study by University of Texas-Austin researchers indicating that Bitcoin prices were manipulated last year—when Bitcoin soared from $800 to nearly $20,000.

The New York Times report on the study explained that a “concentrated campaign of price manipulation may have accounted for at least half of the increase in the price of Bitcoin and other big cryptocurrencies last year.”


The research, conducted by University of Texas finance professor John M. Griffin and graduate student Amin Shams, presents evidence that another cryptocurrency called Tether was used to purchase Bitcoin after market downturns, thereby propping up Bitcoin prices.

“Tether seems to be used both to stabilize and manipulate Bitcoin prices,” the researchers say in the study.

Tether was created by a crypto exchange called Bitfinex, whose executives strongly denies the claims. “Bitfinex nor Tether is, or has ever, engaged in any sort of market or price manipulation. Tether issuances cannot be used to prop up the price of Bitcoin or any other coin/token on Bitfinex,” Bitfinex CEO J.L. van der Velde said in a message sent to Business Insider.

The University of Texas researchers tracked millions of cryptocurrency transactions last year, and say that the “patterns cannot be explained by investor demand proxies” and instead seemed to arise through the strategic use of Tether.

What’s more, this scenario brings with it the possibility of huge profits for Tether creators, the study states: “If Bitcoin prices increase, then the founders can cash out the acquired Bitcoins into dollars, likely at a slower pace and on an opaque channel that has less price impact than their initial buying behavior. If the Tether issuers wish to legitimize Tether and avoid scrutiny, they can convert some of their cryptocurrencies to U.S. dollars and retrospectively provide dollar reserves for Tether.”

After skyrocketing in value in 2017, Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies have collapsed through much of this year. Bitcoin fell 40% during the course of one week at the end of January, and cryptos like Ethereum, Ripple, and Litecoin dropped more than 25% in a single day. The cryptocurrency crash is still happening today. Litecoin, for one, decreased to a new low for 2018 on Wednesday, hitting $97—a dip of nearly 75% off the all-time high of $379 in December.

Much like the sharp increases of 2017, the steep declines for cryptocurrencies over the past few months are hard to fully explain. Most observers chalk them up to a combination of countries cracking down on crypto exchanges and investors either seeking to cash out their profits or eat their losses. Or more people could be accepting the premise of critics like billionaire investor Warren Buffett and Nobel-winning economist Robert Shiller, who basically say that Bitcoin is a scam, or at least a bubble that’s bound to pop.

Hackers and the possibility of price manipulation seem to also be concerns for crypto investors. After a South Korean crypto exchange said it was hacked last week, Bitcoin tumbled 10%. In addition to the new University of Texas report on Bitcoin price manipulation, U.S. investigators are looking into whether several cryptocurrency exchanges have been manipulating prices, the Wall Street Journal reported last week.

In the University of Texas study’s conclusion, researchers say, “Our findings provide substantial support for the view that price manipulation may be behind substantial distortive effects in cryptocurrencies.” And they say that more regulation is needed: “These findings suggest that external capital market surveillance and monitoring may be necessary to obtain a market that is truly free.”

http://time.com/money/5310924/bitcoin-price-manipulation-tether/

I haven't yet read the study which claims a link between tether and bitcoin. My initial impressions are its a BS claim. Tether lacks the market cap to significantly affect bitcoin's price. The amount of purchasing volume necessary to manipulate the price of bitcoin up near $20k is far in excess of bitfinex or tether's net worth. If the price of bitcoin was manipulated there are far better ways of explaining it. Crypto exchanges which lack trade commissions are probably a better explanation for market manipulation as it could allow traders to buy and sell to themselves on multiple accounts on an exchange without incurring significant losses.

The last line of this article seems to contradict itself:

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In the University of Texas study’s conclusion, researchers say, “Our findings provide substantial support for the view that price manipulation may be behind substantial distortive effects in cryptocurrencies.” And they say that more regulation is needed: “These findings suggest that external capital market surveillance and monitoring may be necessary to obtain a market that is truly free.”

This is what comes to mind, reading the last part.



The idea of a crypto market being "enslaved" under surveillance and monitoring, in order to achieve "freedom" could be a form of "freedom is slavery" political posturing.

If the context is correct.
The most problematic thing with the people are that they got worried with these little flactuation. This is very common rule of every investment that every investment undergoes a little bit flactuation and the flactuation in the bitcoin is very temporary because if we look at the average valuation of bitcoin then we can easily see that it is quite stable and also a temporary flactuation in the valuation is all because of negative publicity and wrong rumours about the bitcoin.
360  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin in business industry on: June 25, 2018, 09:35:19 PM
I am wondering if there's a huge probability of bitcoin investing will become a company's focus. Like making a company that specializes investing of bitcoins

Any thoughts? Smiley
There would be very great achievement and success pillor for bitcoin if this will happen. We all know that millions of people are a part of bitcoin now a days but still we cannot consider bitcoin investment as a permanent job , it is still considered as a part time job and the reason being its decentralisation that in almost all the countries it is still illegal and that is why it cannot be use as a full time job but the conditions suggests that days are now away when bitcoin could be use as a full time job all over the world.
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