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801  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: WARNING: PAYPAL STARTED MASSIVE ACCOUNT BAN ON ANYTHING BITCOIN RELATED on: February 05, 2014, 06:17:07 AM
You were selling a physical item that was perfectly allowed and they froze your money because they didn't like it...  How is that not illegal?

The Paypal user agreement allows them to hold your money for 6 months for any reason or no reason at all.  In addition, everytime you receive a chargeback, the 6 month clock starts over - so even 1 chargeback can techncially allow your money to be held for up to a year if it occurs at the end of the 6 month holding period. You agree to it when you open your account - you can't sue.

Here's an idea...WHY NOT USE BITCOIN FOR THESE TRANSACTIONS?HuhHuh??
802  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: January 27, 2014, 08:17:24 PM
Just an update.  As I predicted nearly a year ago (though I thought it would be for different reasons) Charlie Shrem, Bitinstant CEO, was arrested yesterday (Sunday 1/26/14) for using Bitinstant as drug money laundering machine.  The Bitinstant website is now completely blank.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25919482

Hello i am new here,

so i have to give a post here that i can comment other Topics?



lol, what a necro..

btw when are these guys coming back?

Never, they are currently fighting a federal class action lawsuit.  Somehow their CEO @charlieshrem is still out and about - apparently they have avoided a criminal indictment for now - but I don't see Bitinstant itself ever coming back.  Since they have a potentially very large judgment coming down the pipeline, at best they would transfer any intellectual property they had to a different corporate entity and start under a new name.  Starting with no reputation is better than starting with a bad reputation.

Actually, we are.

We've been working on our relaunch the past few months, and looking to get things up and running in Q1 2014

While I can't comment on the lawsuit, I will say it's not even certified nor a class action yet. Its 2 guys and 1 girl (total amount is less then $1000) who are threatening a lawsuit. This is not something stopping BitInstant from relaunching.

I've showed screenshots and demos of our new site at a few conferences, including London, Argentina and Atlanta.

For the past few months, I have been working on Bitcoin Foundation and have brought together many communities including Canada, Argentina and Australia.

See my holiday message: bitcoinmagazine.com/9182/word-bitinstant-ceo-bitcoin-evangelist-charlie-shrem/

If anyone is owed any money, please PM me right away. As far as we know, everyone has been paid back, but if not Im happy to help

-Charlie, CEO BitInstant.
803  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: December 18, 2013, 10:15:24 PM
Hello i am new here,

so i have to give a post here that i can comment other Topics?



lol, what a necro..

btw when are these guys coming back?

Never, they are currently fighting a federal class action lawsuit.  Somehow their CEO @charlieshrem is still out and about - apparently they have avoided a criminal indictment for now - but I don't see Bitinstant itself ever coming back.  Since they have a potentially very large judgment coming down the pipeline, at best they would transfer any intellectual property they had to a different corporate entity and start under a new name.  Starting with no reputation is better than starting with a bad reputation.
804  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Federal Class Action Lawsuit Filed Against Bitinstant on: August 15, 2013, 09:31:30 PM
lawsuit is inaccurate - defendant 2 claims bitcoins were $85 on april 11- they were never that low on that day at all. do they not know they will find out she is a liar? i swear the ambulance chasers are swooping in...

most of the complaints came at the time when mtgox was being destroyed too. i doubt these people actually understood anything that's going on
mtgox was effectively not working blah blah

If they need to amend claims, it will be easy enough for them to find plenty more Bitinstant victims.  413 pages of them right here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=128314.msg2766131#msg2766131
805  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Federal Class Action Lawsuit Filed Against Bitinstant on: August 15, 2013, 09:41:11 AM
Filing as a class action doesn't yet make it a class action.  The courts need to certify the class and unless you see a public record that it has happened then that is the first line of defense.  Companies will routinely bring out the bring guns to prevent certification as a class because while the lawsuit can go forward it will go forward as individual claims.

That is true.  The courts do need to certify it, and this case is in its very early stages.  The next court date, a pre-trial conference, is in mid-September.  But, it doesn't bode well.  The claims seem legitimate and the lawyers behind it seem to know what they are doing.  The minimum number of people necessary to form a class is 50, and I suspect that in this case there are thousands of potential class members.  They seem to have a legitimate shot at obtaining class action status.
806  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Federal Class Action Lawsuit Filed Against Bitinstant on: August 15, 2013, 09:28:02 AM
First glance, this looks like a reach from some bummy btc users. Problems with $30 worth of btc?

I'm not one for scams or losing money and all that, but BitInstant was having a lot of trouble and they were seeing an overwhelming rush in transactions and users. It's like jumping onto the highway during rush hour and wondering why you can't get to where you need to go in 10 minutes...What do you think is going to happen? These are new companies using new technology and running into new obstacles, they don't work magic. How can we move forward as a community when we need to constantly take two steps back due to impatient, incompetent users?

(I could have totally missed something with the whole BitInstant debacle so bear with me if so).

Many class action lawsuits are over relatively small transactions (though you chose to mention the lowest transaction amount shown in the complaint).  It is a significant suit, however, because class action status means that every person that the court determines was damaged by their actions will be awarded money (the people that the court determines to be in the "class" of people that were damaged).  The court will base this on Bitinstant's internal records, and would likely affect to a significant percentage of transactions that occurred in 2013, which is likely to be tens of thousands of transactions and millions of dollars in damages.

With regard to your general statement that users should have expected problems, I don't think that's a valid legal defense Smiley .  The problem, as mentioned in the complaint, is that Bitinstant went to great lengths to represent that they could and would deliver all orders within two hours.  Once these attorneys get into the discovery process, they will get access to Bitinstant's internal databases, and I think the sh*t will hit the fan when they see the sheer number of orders and the massive delays (and in some cases, outright non-delivery) that occurred.
807  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Federal Class Action Lawsuit Filed Against Bitinstant on: August 15, 2013, 07:35:33 AM
Wow.  How'd you find that?

I have an account on the PACER federal court document search system, and happened to run across it.  It was filed on July 8th but I have heard nothing about it, so I thought it would be interesting to some people.
808  Economy / Service Discussion / Federal Class Action Lawsuit Filed Against Bitinstant on: August 15, 2013, 07:25:27 AM
Here is a link to the lawsuit.  I'm not sure it's good news for the Bitcoin community, but at least the larger bad actors are beginning to fall fast.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/160406193/Bitinstant-Class-Action-Lawsuit
809  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: August 15, 2013, 07:06:31 AM
FYI, someone finally filed a class action suit in federal court against these guys.  Because they have filed a class action suit, any Bitinstant customer that has suffered actual losses or lost potential profits as a result Bitinstant's actions/delays/failures should contact the law firm involved.  You can join the class and eventually get compensated if Bitinstant has any money left. A pretrial conference is scheduled for September 13.  Here is a link to the complaint:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/160406193/Bitinstant-Class-Action-Lawsuit

The email addresses of the attorneys to contact can be found on the last page of the lawsuit under their signature - I don't want to post them in a public forum.
810  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: August 15, 2013, 03:22:11 AM
They are coming back soon people. Check out their site page update, they look serious. Get your money ready folks, it's about to be on and poppin.  

Yes, from their updates page it appears that during first month they are going to run a promotion where they steal 25% less than normal.  Instead of half of all transactions simply vanishing, as little as a third of transactions will be stolen (but only during the first month, then it goes back to normal).  Can't wait!  I'm headed to the ATM right now.
811  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: July 18, 2013, 02:26:25 AM
I'm a former BitInstant employee.  I'm under no obligation to post this, nor is this endorsed by BitInstant.  With all the wild theories and speculation going on I feel the need to say something...

Charlie and the team there are good people.  BitInstant is one of the leading and longest running bitcoin businesses.  It's obvious the new website had some issues and the dev team is working hard to get things working properly.  There is no scam and BitInstant isn't "robbing" people.

They are doing some restructuring and likely prepping for a proper relaunch.  There's a lot that goes on behind the scenes and daily challenges within a volatile space like bitcoin.  This is a new market and there will be bumps in the road.

If you have an issue with an outstanding transaction my suggestion to you is to be patient and communicate with their support team in a calm and respectful way.  If your order has a problem then they will fix it.

BitInstant is an important part of the bitcoin community and has made it easy for so many people to get their first taste of bitcoin.  They're growing quickly and working on exciting new projects and functionality.  I know they will come back stronger then ever.

And yet they had to lay you off....they couldn't afford the salary of a customer service employee, which (no offense) couldn't have been that high.  Also no offense, but like many others you seem to have been under the Bitinstant "spell" as well.....you spent your time defending them when all the evidence pointed to a very problematic future for Mr. Shrem personally and Bitinstant as a company.  I've said this time and again, but I'll say it again: code either works or it doesn't.  It doesn't work just sometimes, and it doesn't require endless delays while people manually "push through" transactions.  The fact that some (small) transactions went through instantly, while most others instantly received "order failed" responses, shows that the code worked.  So when they had delays, it was because they had no money.

All of these were bankroll issues.  They could have easily publicly displayed how many Bitcoins they had available to sell, and stopped taking new orders that couldn't be immediately delivered, until they had more coins available.  They could have even setup an email queue that would let interested people that wanted coins know instantly when more coins were available.  But they couldn't do this, because they needed the new transaction money in order to process old transactions (aka Ponzi Scheme).  Who knows where the old transaction money went - perhaps Charlie's trips to London.  They were selling things they didn't have with the promise of immediate delivery.  They were no different than criminals that post items they don't have on eBay, collect the money, and run - except they did it on a larger scale.
812  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: July 14, 2013, 09:02:17 AM
Don't listen to crazylikeafox. He's one of those people that likes to bad mouth businesses without much proof. Sites like bitinstantscam.com are also not proof since most of the people there likely did not follow procedure to get their orders processed. ANY problem I had with bitinstant was solved within 24 hours as I followed proper procedure and did not clog up their system with support tickets like most people tend to do. They were an excellent company to buy bitcoins from but it looks like they need to sort things out for themselves. Hopefully another company will rise up in their place.

Yes, because out of these 412+ pages I was the only one complaining.  And by the way, the proof that they had become a Ponzi scheme (besides the fact that they are now and probably forever closed) was overwhelming.  They lied to everyone about technical issues to buy themselves multi-week delays while they prayed that no one called the FBI because they took customer money.  I'm a programmer.  Code either works or it doesn't.  It doesn't work sometimes for some people and not for most others (unless you want it to because you have no money to process orders with or intend to run off with the money from the order).  They haven't responded to this thread in over 2 weeks.  They laid off their customer support staff becuase they couldn't afford them.  Their $8/month blog was even shut down for a time for non-payment.  At Bitinstantscam.com (not my site) nearly half of people were reporting that they never received their orders, and that was reflected in this thread and on Twitter, their Facebook page, and Reddit.  Everywhere Bitinstant could possibly be contacted, there were complaints about "failed orders" followed by excuses about "technical issues". The proof was piled higher and deeper than the BS they were spewing, and they have confirmed it by shutting down.

I understand that no one wants to believe they were conned out of money. Maybe you actually are one of the few that have hit the lottery by not losing money to them and only having to wait 24 hours for you money, but many others did not share your experience. My guess is that the next step will be the feds coming in.
813  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: July 14, 2013, 12:29:25 AM
WTF happened to Bitinstant?

Really? What am I supposed to do now?


Hmm...well if you're looking for an alternate person to just give money away to, I'll take it.  That's all Bitinstant was the last few months.

Ahhh it was that bad? Crap! What is the alternative to buying BitCoins without paying an arm and leg for the bank wire transfers etc...

Coinbase just introduced instant purchases (though you have to complete 1 slow purchase first).
814  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: July 13, 2013, 11:41:50 PM
WTF happened to Bitinstant?

Really? What am I supposed to do now?


Hmm...well if you're looking for an alternate person to just give money away to, I'll take it.  That's all Bitinstant was the last few months.
815  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: July 13, 2013, 12:58:45 PM
Well they took BitInstant down.   All of you who called it in this thread got it right.  Look at they're site

Yeah, my guess is that this is the end.  Too bad; they started off like a great, legitimate service.  I don't know what happened, but maybe this will clear the way for a well-heeled competitor.  Coinbase started instant purchases the other day (though you have to be an established customer).

816  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: July 11, 2013, 05:11:26 AM
PLEASE HELP! First Bitinstant experience and it has gone horrible.
 

Transaction #: 0c541a4a-9bc3-4778-a9eb-02f38933ff98

I have a coinapult error and no one at Bitinstant has been able to give any kind of explanation as to why I am waiting days instead of an hour for my coins.
Seems like very shady business practices but I really needed these coins in my wallet. This has put me in a real bad spot..


Order ID: 788abb7a-44f2-4504-acbb-37a7e7dc9d53
Event ID: 5d04aace-66a8-4d09-a163-c56de7dc8cb1 (coinapult error)


Any help would be much appreciated but I really cant wait 1-3 days for these funds. You cant claim to provide coins in an hour and then not provide them and hold peoples money for an unknown amout of time. I understand things come up but this is a bit ridiculous. Dont promise so much if you cant consistently deliver.

A few things:

1) See http://bitinstantscam.com/ .  48.6% of orders are showing up as never delivered - as in money simply gone.

2) The last post from a Bitinstant rep here was June 28, 2013 @ 05:29:52 PM pacific time.  Nearly 2 weeks ago.  They had to lay off their customer service people; Bitinstant is largely a ghost ship now.

3) Don't send Bitinstant any more money.  See if you can get a refund from the ZipZap/CashPayment.com people, and if you can't, chalk it up as a lesson learned.  Always do your research on the current status of a company in the Bitcoin industry - they die off fast.

4) Use localbitcoins.com .  You'll feel a little like you're doing a drug deal buying coins in person, but you'll get used to it.  If you can wait a few days, use Coinbase
817  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: July 07, 2013, 11:05:59 PM
......
Please, do tell me what is going on.

Read the last few pages of this thread.  You might as well call the cops now.
818  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: July 06, 2013, 02:41:51 PM
It is the 4th of July (independence day) holiday weekend in the US.  Give it a break.  

Yes they recently moved offices.  

Ok, so they also can't pay their $8/mo blog bill on the 4h of July weekend, or respond to anyone in here, and they laid off employees in celebration of Independence Day - they wanted to give them their independence.  Sounds great, I'm glad we all know that there is a perfectly logical and innocent explanation for all of this that doesn't include the collapse of one of the largest Bitcoin services on the Internet.
819  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: July 06, 2013, 08:05:08 AM
The BitInstant Blog is down http://blog.bitinstant.com

Might be a sign of impending doom or a sign of the blog being moved to an official subdomain? Who knows but I will not be using their services until someone comes and reassures us that everything is well.

Well, the blog link on their home page still goes to http://blog.bitinstant.com so that means if they moved the blog nobody told the person handling the main site.  Also, that looks like a "you haven't paid your bill" type of page, which probably isn't a good sign either since a Square Space account costs $8/mo (had they simply deleted their account, you would see this page instead).  Probably not a coincidence that this happened shortly after the 1st of the month, since any corporate credit cards they had to bill that type of thing to are likely toast. They claim that their office is at:

20 W 23rd Street
New York, New York
10010

I wonder if anyone in New York could even confirm that they still have an office.  Their swashbuckling CEO, Charlie Shrem, has even stopped tweeting the last 4 days straight, when he used to tweet several times a day.  Given that and the silence here, I'm afraid Bitinstant has finally hit the skids.  If they have, I assume there will be criminal charges stemming from all of this....I guess I'm not surprised that the CEO has simply vanished.
820  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: July 06, 2013, 03:09:57 AM
I just logged into Dwolla too so wtf are you talking about?

He means that Dwolla is no longer processing BSInstant transactions.  And you can pretty much infer from the fact that they have simply gone quiet that their current status is....up the river without a paddle.  The 40% decline in BTC prices over the last month should have helped them out, but it's fairly obvious now that they don't even have a few hundred dollars in the bank to pay employees, much less to cover hundreds of thousands of dollars in undelivered transactions at any price.  I have a feeling the rapid price decline in BTC has something to do with BSInstant's inability to buy BTC anymore, since they were a major buyer.

They managed to somehow keep order flow coming for a lot longer than I thought they could after they first started lying about technical problems several months ago, but I'm afraid the ship has finally sunk.

Oh man I hope not.  Stuff like this has happened before when everyone thought BI had went scammer.  But they always came out of it.  I hope this time is the same.



They always came out of it before because they had enough new orders to sort-of keep up appearances.  Now, apparently they don't have enough order flow to even keep a few hundred dollars in the bank, and have tons of undelivered orders.  At some point during all of this, they also received $1.5 million from the Winklevoss twins (of Facebook fame) that helped carry them for a while.  It appears that no more money is coming from anyone to save them.  Again, the fact that they have dropped all attempts to even communicate anymore (beyond automated emails) is all the evidence you need.
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