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Here's the rest of the translation of replies. As it is not the first post, sorry if I am being sloppy and editing off google translate!
沙发 zshsust 只看他
谁先收货和谁先造出矿机是关键 - Whoever first receives chips and first assembles mining machine is the key
板凳 whutrat308 只看他
当前应该是65T？不考虑蝴蝶，挖矿效率是现在的1/4，还能接受 - Should 65T? Not consider butterflies, mining efficiency is now 1/4, but also to accept
地板 cong1744 只看他
相信中国制造的速度 - I believe in the speed of made in China!
5# jack.song 只看他
有150T！- There are 150T!
6# jack.song 只看他
有150T！- There are 150T!
7# mylittlematong 只看他
很明显 2批不发货就是为了卖芯片 - Obviously batch 2 non-delivery is to sell the chip
8# asg99 只看他
希望二批三批不会赔钱 - Hope that the second installment of three batches will not lose money
9# asg99 只看他
希望二批三批不会赔钱 - Hope that the second installment of three batches will not lose money
10# Wayne_Chang 只看他
原来2批不发货是因为忙着卖芯片了啊！ - Original batch delivery is busy selling chips!
11# ruohongzhao 只看他
！！！150T！！！！ - ! ! ! 150T! ! ! !
12# 叶-Zell 只看他
说明订了蝴蝶和avalon的人都得去死了。。。
13# hiyung 只看他
第2批应该还能小赚,第3批基本就是回本了,买加价二手的我看困难了
14# speeditcert 只看他
买芯片能给技术支持吗？芯片的资料公布l吗？再说了，卖芯片赚钱还是卖设备赚钱啊？看来南瓜并不缺钱啊！还是说准备忽悠另外一批人的资金，告诉他们卖芯片了，但先付款后等货？
15# speeditcert 只看他
买芯片能给技术支持吗？芯片的资料公布l吗？再说了，卖芯片赚钱还是卖设备赚钱啊？看来南瓜并不缺钱啊！还是说准备忽悠另外一批人的资金，告诉他们卖芯片了，但先付款后等货？
16# 彬彬 只看他
大家不用怕。会有疯子为了利益，对工厂发动袭击的。。。。或者，如果某个地方聚集了极大量算力的时候，也可以直接或间接攻击那个地方，比如人为停电。。。先静静堆设备不运算，然后让大量大的对手停机一段时间，自己就爆发出来抢这段时间的币。
17# dudufish 只看他
人民币付款的还不知道有多少呢，有没有类似方法能查出来？
Sorry folks, times up, gotta catch a plane, don't have time to finish the rest of the translation...
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Translation time! Original: 七彩神仙鱼：很有意思的一个现象，南瓜张芯片收款地址可以追踪，从目前的情况来看，目前已售出50W片芯片，折合算力140T，预计将在8月份增加150T+算力，元芳你怎么看？ https://blockchain.info/address/zh-cn/1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sURainbowAngelFish: A very interesting phenomenon, pumpkin (known alias of NGZhang) chip payment address can be tracked from the receiving address, currently the have sold 500k chips, equivalent to 140T, 150T+ hashrate is expected to increase in August. YuanFang how do you see the situation? --- Note: RainbowAngelFish is the resident mining guru of the Chinese boards. |
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Has anyone noticed that in just a few days we've put together the majority of orders for 8.6th worth of chips? Anyone have any thoughts about how adding that to the network alone will multiply the difficulty? Let alone if BFL finally ships? Will the 8.6gh rig I ordered even be able to pay itself off in a year?
Please refund this payment. Thank you.
<u237114006> <30> <2.58> <12EZjHjvcm6rwcQcwTMA42pTYx2qoU2xwZ>
trans hash sent to zefir in pm
Actually it's currently more like 120T extra from chips already ordered. |
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It is quite odd how things are developing for the common consumer. They start out as investors then become debtors and at a later stage turn into refunders and the way things are going, eventually partakers in class action lawsuits.
Thanks to Avalon's vision of a balanced approach, their chip sales have made the following possible:
NPO's This is NOT pre- order. You will be buying finished and tested products.
Price: BTC and USD. BTC will be a mark up on chip prices. USD will be based on production costs related to PCB and machine parts. The USD portion will be minimal mark up.
Shipping: any shipping method of your choice.
Sales service: full time sales service, which would be expected of any reasonable seller. That's because the reasonable seller doesn't have hectic sales service since we are selling existing products and not vaporware. i.e. only two weeks worth of work to satisfy any customer.
Why don't you mine yourself? I could do. But a bitcoin in hand is worth two in the bush. The whole point of Avalon chip sales is to stabilize the mining base. As such, everybody wins.
So what is the price? It depends on a lot of factors, but as a guideline I am looking for 50 to 100% mark up on chip BTC costs and maybe around 10 percent on USD. A very handsome profit in any industry, so there may be leeway for downside, depending on the going hashrate and expected newcomers to the ASIC scene. Similar to Avalon's approach, ROI is very important.
Expected in August.
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Anybody else see this?
BitSynCom: I am trying to order, if it is glitch, could you please look into it when convenient, thanks.
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Looking for adviser to assist on Android client project. Currently it is run by sending server side transactions. Would like to have it send directly from client but having trouble figuring out how. Interested parties please PM me! Assistance terms openly negotiable depending on how fast a fix I can get.
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If anything, Batch 3 customers will make Avalon the Golden goose. Their greed will power the next shrink.
As long as I don't pay the high price, I don't care who puts their money into it. It will only secure Avalon's future viability.
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This is terrible! We have to do maths? What has this world come to? Casual buyers have to pay the SAME price as serious buyers? Call the charity police!
Well if they priced it any lower than 79 bitcoins then there will be a justified and uniform (B1&B2) yell of rip-off. From people who ACTUALLY would have been ripped off, as opposed to the uninformed side-lined spectator. As a B2 buyer, right now I'm mulling over the fact that 9 bitcoins was the price of trust placed on the premium. All I get is a 10 percent discount? WTF?
Anyway, I was hoping for some in depth analysis of the predictions and maths involved, but after 12 pages of bickering it appears to me that those of you who continue to count in USD will never get it, and those of you equipped with proper spreadsheets aren't ready to share the love.
And so. Neither will I. For now. Nevertheless I want to get the ball rolling. Frankly I'm sure we're all working on the same formulae in our spreadsheets, just with differing assumptions for our best/base/worst case scenarios.
So here's my 1cent: at batch 2, my estimated two year production was 250 (worst case scenario assumptions).
My other cent says: asicminer has taken one step forward and BFL has taken two steps back. Considering also B2 now in the wild, the projected difficulty escalation over time is roughly the same as it was when batch 2 opened. So factor in the increased base difficulty my guess is 200.
And yes I know batch 1 made 250 in a month and batch 2 will do so in 3 months, but from a decision making point of view, 88 for 200 is the one I'm looking at.
Care to share? Friday is just around the corner, so we better figure it out before ending up mulling over the batch 4 premium.
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Out of town! <sulks quietly in the corner >
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我看5万呢，关键是何时？50，应该七月底左右吧，有戏
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Kano: I'll send you an Avalon for free. No strings attached. Based on the energy exerted on this thread, if half of it was used as positive energy on furthering the overall bitcoin cause, we're all gonna be winners. Now if you could pent up that energy for the meantime and save it for the future, we can take this thread out of the red.
peetah are you a member of avalon ? If so that is an extremely generous offer and very nice to see  No. I'm just a buyer. Compared to the landmark contributions made by both sides of the 'v.s.' to the community, I humbly admit I am indeed marginally generous  |
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Kano: I'll send you an Avalon for free. No strings attached. Based on the energy exerted on this thread, if half of it was used as positive energy on furthering the overall bitcoin cause, we're all gonna be winners. Now if you could pent up that energy for the meantime and save it for the future, we can take this thread out of the red.
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Alex what size are you looking for? easier to specify a range.
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过了大年再说？北京比特币的粉丝很多，不过在外地过年的多
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Time date and place? I'll be there.
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