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101  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Native American Activist Wants To Swap The Dollar For Bitcoin on: December 19, 2013, 06:56:01 PM
He should set up an exchange rather than get into mining.
According to the article he wants to do both, also it is misleading to say "he" because he actually has approval from the tribe elders according to the article. They don't understand it but trust that he does and trust him to implement it.

The plan is to leverage their status as "domestic dependant (semi)sovereign states" to switch their local economy to using bitcoins instead of dollars.

There has been all this talk about a nation adopting bitcoin as its official currency. It appears the first one to do so would be an inidian reservation
102  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is NOT a investment on: December 19, 2013, 05:47:25 PM

Bitcoin encourages saving and a little spending, the governments encourage no fiat saving and wreck less spending into indebtedness

Actually government encourages saving, because your savings lose value over time.

Bitcoin itself doesn't encourage saving, but won't lose value over time.

I think he meant encourages with their policy not with their words, the two differ because they are liars
103  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The NEXT generation of Physical Bitcoins... on: December 19, 2013, 11:43:08 AM
Or as I proposed upthread, embedding the radio verifiable private key and marking it unspendable on the block chain (altcoins can support this feature, then Bitcoin will implement it) as I have suggested upthread. Then the coin tracks the BTC value and is reliable.

Well, yes, and it is implied by my attack on the principle of the ability to electronically drain the physical coin of the bitcoins.

But I am seeing a plethora of technical issues with such a solution. What happens when the coin breaks? Can you backup the coins the way you do other wallets? Wouldn't backups mean counterfeiting? How could you prevent someone from stealing such a coin by reading the data and then making a duplicate? etc
104  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin the financial saviour of a free press? on: December 19, 2013, 11:36:09 AM
The mass media press is losing money because it is losing trust. More and more people realize how bad they are at doing their jobs.

They mishandle every story, take the wrong stance on every issue, and can't seem to get into their heads the idea of unbiased reporting of facts. The article even admits they have been unfairly bashing bitcoin

They also seem to be married to obsolete distribution models. Blogs are not necessarily less trustworthy than a printed piece of paper.

As for ad revenue, claiming that its worse for online ads then it was for newspaper ads is ridiculous. Its never been higher as google can attest.
105  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A country that embraces bitcoin early will have a lot of rich people later on: December 19, 2013, 11:25:00 AM
Countries are not in the habit of engaging in foreign currency speculation.
Especially because it doesn't involve any wealth creation, only shuffling between those who bet poorly and those who bet well.

Oh no the 'trickle down' economists have arrived.

"Trickle down economics" aka "Voodoo Economics" were both terms invented and used by the Bush senior smear campaign when he ran against Reagan.
106  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: We should be happy tyranny is allergic to bitcoin, not sad. on: December 19, 2013, 11:09:10 AM
Oh, you meant the sandy hook thing... has it really only been a few months? time perception is odd like that
107  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Cars providing USB and Ethernet plug for bitcoins. And fuel!!! on: December 19, 2013, 11:08:05 AM
Actually, after better thinking I think it should be provided for free and let people tip if they wanted to say thank you.

Considering the massive cost of car batteries and the fact that every recharge shortens their life, as well as the risk of getting stuck without electricity, I would not allow anyone to charge off of my car even if they paid me. Unless it was an emergency.
And I wouldn't even charge my own stuff off of my car unless unless it was a non electric car and the engine was running
108  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The NEXT generation of Physical Bitcoins... on: December 19, 2013, 10:43:31 AM
5. Seamlessly convert to bitcoins in your wallet with a minimum of technical knowledge required.

I disagree on this point.

Scenario. Person A gives a coin that says 0.01B to Person B.
Person B transfers the content off of the coin, the coin is now worth 0B.
Person B gives the empty coin to Person C who mistakingly thinks it is worth 0.01B because that is what the coin SAYS.

If person C has the tools needed to verify the value of the coin (a cell phone with the right software) then he has the tools to perform a direct software transfer. And in fact such a transfer would be easier!

The only possible way for a coin to be worthwhile is the coin itself has a value. This means either a government declaring it fiat, or it is made out of precious metal (ex, gold). However putting a 1B logo on your gold coin is misinforming and disingenuous because the gold to bitcoin conversion ratio fluctuates

PS. The coin in question is 1BTC... thats a 1000$ coin. I can't just hand those out to people like the OP describe nor can I buy something with it.
109  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: We should be happy tyranny is allergic to bitcoin, not sad. on: December 19, 2013, 10:37:00 AM
One thing I'll say is that I've never seen so many citizens actually mobilize and insist on anything from our legislation as I saw a few months ago with the whole gun control debacle. The people are waking up and realizing that our liberties have been under heavy attack for nearly a century and are already so diluted that their existence today is even questionable.

I didn't get out much and I think I might have missed that whole case. What happened a few months ago?
110  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Cars providing USB and Ethernet plug for bitcoins. And fuel!!! on: December 19, 2013, 10:34:58 AM
here i thought he meant for a taxi or something @_@

This is actually plausible
111  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Bitcoin become Tea Partied? on: December 19, 2013, 09:50:52 AM
I don't hate ASIC's... I think they were a great invention. I hate the impact they had on the network.

Well put.
112  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is NOT a investment on: December 19, 2013, 09:50:12 AM
bitcoin is whatever we make it

You are missing the point entirely.

The guy argued the semantics of the term investment. Arguing that currency speculation should not be called an investment but be called currency speculation, nothing more nothing less.
113  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: We should be happy tyranny is allergic to bitcoin, not sad. on: December 19, 2013, 09:41:20 AM
Since we are talking US specific tyranny.

Fourth amendment is becoming an issue with the NSA spying. A judge has struck down NSA spying on fourth amendment basis, (while also putting his own decision on hold pending appeal review at a higher court due to its magnitude.)

Meanwhile Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) has sponsored a bill that would legalize NSA spying on everyone and everything

And tyranny has long been allergic to the 9th and 10th amendment and has long ago rendered it null.

The fifth amendment was violated repeatedly to take down megaupload, it was violated repeatedly to take down egold and the 2 other gold based alternative currencies at the time. And then there are cases with government whistleblows where due process is thrown to the wind and many others

The 8th amendment has been crapped on by the MAFIAA and their cronies.
114  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin, Magical Thinking, and Political Ideology on: December 19, 2013, 09:28:34 AM
True, which is probably why the whole thing could be summarized by saying "Bitcoin does poorly as an online version of a brick and mortar bank"
don't forget the "according to some randome keynisian who used to work as chief IT of a insignificantly small bank which has no brick and mortar experience"
115  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is NOT a investment on: December 19, 2013, 09:23:55 AM
I don't understand all the venom thrown at the op.

He made a clear argument that bitcoin is a currency, and you can get rich speculating on a currency, such speculation is gambling rather then an investment. That speculation in of itself does not produce wealth, only transfer wealth from those who bet correctly to those who bet wrongly (just using dollars because "everyone is" is still betting, you are speculating on dollars)

He didn't even argue that people shouldn't gamble on bitcoin being a success. only that such an act should be called "currency speculation" and not "investing".

And people are attacking him personally arguing that he is attacking bitcoin. Even though he is clearly a supporter of it.
116  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Cars providing USB and Ethernet plug for bitcoins. And fuel!!! on: December 19, 2013, 08:54:19 AM
Nice idea, except the voltage and current limitations of USB ports would render their use as charging a plugin hybrid or electric car useless.

I am pretty sure it means a USB port to charge your cellphone using the car's battery.
Not a port to charge the car's batter over USB from some public USB charging station.

... and why would I need to spend my Bitcoins in order to charge a device over USB from my car's battery / alternator? Let me guess a car infected with DRM such as this Renault? http://boingboing.net/2013/11/13/renault-ships-a-brickable-car.html

Either that or you install it in your car, then a stranger can charge his phone at your car if he sends you bitcoins for it by scanning the QR code with your wallet's address which you glue near the external port on your car.

Both sound kinda bad

Also, DRM in a car? ugh, disgusting. thanks for the link
117  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin, Magical Thinking, and Political Ideology on: December 19, 2013, 08:50:21 AM

Keynsian banker does not like Bitcoin. Criticizes all of the lack of keynsian banking provided by Bitcoin.

He is a banker? I was wondering who that mouthbreather was.

"I was previously CTO at online banking service"

Online banking service... isn't that one of those tiny banks that can't afford an actual brick and mortar branch?
Also apparently he was fired. And if I understand the term CTO correctly from wikipedia, it means he was their chief IT, not an actual banker.
118  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is there currently a coordinated effort by CB's to destroy cryptocurrencies? on: December 19, 2013, 08:48:49 AM

The smart folks in crypto will find a way for crypto to survive, they are probably working on it now, but have yet to show their hand.

If governments ban them crypto currencies would die. No one raising a family would use them, only criminals, anarchists and radical idealists.

They can't really ban it.

During the great depression, the US banned trading in gold and silver. Massive amounts of precious metal coins were confiscated and melted down.
Also see egold.
Now look at china and russia.
119  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin, Magical Thinking, and Political Ideology on: December 19, 2013, 08:45:32 AM

Keynsian banker does not like Bitcoin. Criticizes all of the lack of keynsian banking provided by Bitcoin.

He is a banker? I was wondering who that mouthbreather was.
120  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Penn & Teller : Bullshit! Bitcoin - btc foundation : non-political economy??? on: December 19, 2013, 08:44:45 AM
You are welcome. It is a useful episode, perfectly accurate.

I didn't have their figures but when friends and family tried to get me into various network marketing schemes before I had heard of them I sat down, did the math, and saw them for the scams they are... meant to exploit the so called "sellers". You can either lose money as a seller of product, lose money by exploiting new "sellers", or make money by exploiting "sellers" (not the customers, the sellers).

A shame so many people are bad at math
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