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141  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: question about china / i feel, strange rulings on: December 17, 2013, 08:02:03 PM
So what may the government be concerned about (random order):
1) Foreign money transfers and money laundering
2) Tax avoidance
3) Pressure from the banks losing profits
4) Losing control over the people who gain more financial independence.
5) Black market trade

Some of these problems (like nr 2) may be easy to deal with, some are IMO impossible (nr 3, 4). Banks are the losing side here, some of them will adapt and others will fight.


what governments are REALLY afraid of is the inability to print money. This would massive reduce their effective tax revenue since inflation is a nothing but a stealth tax
142  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "Bitcoin dealers" doing the shopping for us on: December 17, 2013, 07:43:19 PM
homeless do not have the capital to do this. And are not sufficiently CLEAN to handle food or actually anything one might want to buy.
143  Other / Off-topic / Re: This Just In: Chinese President Rumored to be replacing Yuan with Bitcoin on: December 17, 2013, 05:52:58 PM
I heard the Illuminati blackmailed the President of China to tank exchange rates so the Bilderburg Group could buy enough coins to 51% attack Area 51 and free Zaphod Beeblebrox from his carbonite prison.

Almost right, the president of china is a member of the illuminati
144  Economy / Speculation / Re: Don't panic and sell over China; "Spartans hold" on: December 17, 2013, 04:16:07 PM
At the moment I just feel sorry for the people who bought the coins at 1250.. they must be really nervous now  Cheesy
Yeah, well buying at that price was the wrong decision, not in retrospect, but at the time it was a bad decision, because the price was riding way over the EMA line.  The problem is mostly lack of good information, and lack of understanding of the information that is available.

If you're just investing for short term gain, you're going to be taken in the long-term.

what is the EMA line?
145  Other / Off-topic / Re: This Just In: Chinese President Rumored to be replacing Yuan with Bitcoin on: December 17, 2013, 07:38:17 AM
I have a secret source who has a friend who knows the President of China.

He is rumored to have said, during a secret circlejerk, that they will be making Bitcoin the official currency of China.

Aye, right. The Chinese copy everything, now they r going to do that with Bitcoin. Will it be called Beetcoin, or Bitkoin, or Bitcion?

No, they will call it pandacoin, or dragoncoin... or pandadragon
146  Other / Off-topic / Re: This Just In: Chinese President Rumored to be replacing Yuan with Bitcoin on: December 17, 2013, 04:52:57 AM
I have a secret source who has a friend who knows the President of China.

He is rumored to have said, during a secret circlejerk, that they will be making Bitcoin the official currency of China.

China has been warning the US about its endless printing of money and publicly warning it to be less communist and more capitalistic lately lest the US ruin its economy and take the rest of the world with it.

The US economic downturn has been catastrophic for them with their reliance on exports.

It would be a perfectly logical maneuver on their part, very sensible. Could save the entire world... Too bad they are vile communists
147  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 51% attack problem, are there any solutions to it? on: December 17, 2013, 04:47:00 AM
A government has many tools to attack bitcoin if they want. A 51% attack isn't one of those  Roll Eyes

I am well aware that it is not the first recourse. But most of those other methods will not completely eliminate it, especially if facing hyper inflation. It would be illegal but it would thrive just like alcohol or drug under various prohibitions.
If such a situation occurs where the currency has already been deemed illegal and is purely an underground thing in a "communist utopia" the a 51% attack might be resorted to simply because there is no defense against it.

I think the only reason no one has done that is because there are laws against it. If for example it was perfectly legal to do that, then it would have already been done numerous times.

There aren't any laws protecting Bitcoin however and there's a large number of tech savvy users.

a 51% Attack was successfully executed against feathercoin.
148  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: the real problem with bitcoin on: December 17, 2013, 03:32:58 AM
I think personally we need to build infrastructures away from the mainstream gas and oil suburbia like small micro communities dedicated to cryptos and BTC. If we had small vibrant little village communities all using Bitcoin and mining and living off the grid and sustainable I think it would work for the true benefit of humankind As long as BTC is just in the hands of Ruthless Speculators and not adopted enough by the Mainstream folks it is intended for then yes I believe there will be more volatility and problems

Historically this just lead to violence from the establishment as the reconquer such communities
149  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 51% attack problem, are there any solutions to it? on: December 17, 2013, 03:30:25 AM
Ghash and BTCGUILD has a total of more than 51% hashpower.

The government just need to hack these two pools.

They can hack it with a 0day (a vulnerability that is only known to them and not fixed)



this theory is the same as government having the ability to hack any server they want. if they can hack ghash and btcguid, they can hack other pools as well. NSA can already decrypt SSL, they could have cause massive chaos if they want. they could even hack bitcointalk.org and all asic miner's website.

Snowden described a formative experience the situation where they setup an elaborate situation to make a swiss banker drive drunk and be caught, so they could recruit him as an informant that he could deliver secret banking information (which is a big deal in switzerland) to the US government.

The leaked documents show that they have infiltrated a plethora of corporations to introduce bugs into common security standards as well as ensure that weak encryption standards are chosen by international panels (ex, they helped ensure that the weakest of the 3 finalist competing standards was chosen for AES).

I can definitely see them doing something hamfisted or sneaky to the people who own BTCGuild and Ghash. Unlike P2Pool those are centralized guilds
150  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: China, Norway, Switzerland economies to take an Epic beating on: December 17, 2013, 02:58:53 AM
Also, the voting system is all on paper and manual procedures.
that is actually a good thing
151  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: When $1 was exchanged for 1,300 bitcoins, Why was this done at the time? on: December 17, 2013, 02:57:37 AM
Definitely wish I would of bought 1300 bitcoins for a dollar lol.

yea. one dollar becomes over a million. nice
152  Economy / Speculation / Re: Don't panic and sell over China; "Spartans hold" on: December 17, 2013, 02:56:44 AM
I wish I bought bitcoin at any time when it was under 100$, then sold when it was over 1000$, then buy again after the china collapse. Actually if china cracks down then it would create an excellent time to buy... Although I pity the chinese people who got screwed by "their" government
153  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 51% attack problem, are there any solutions to it? on: December 17, 2013, 02:54:46 AM
E-Gold is different, it was pseudonymous and was used by cyber crminials, DDoSers, pay to hack servers, drugs..

0h

Thank you, I laughed.
154  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Oops - 20BTC fee paid on .05 transaction? on: December 17, 2013, 02:54:00 AM
It sounds like he created the transaction using brainwallet.org from a brain wallet address to the payee address without a change address. So there is 20.199BTC input and 0.05271705 BTC output.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transactions#Output
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Any input bitcoins not redeemed in an output is considered a transaction fee; whoever generates the block will get it.

this is infact what happened

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[–]aliens_exist_1 11 points 3 hours ago
Nope, I was using brainwallet, and I could've sworn that in the box next to source address I had the my total balance, and in the box next to destination I had the ~0.05 I intended to send

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[–]ummhaha 37 points 4 hours ago
I'm sure you did, because that's exactly how the transaction was structured.
When you spend from a brainwallet, you must spend ALL your funds. The difference goes into the fee.

talk about an expensive lesson  Cheesy

Note to self, never use brainwallet
155  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: the real problem with bitcoin on: December 17, 2013, 02:48:54 AM
Great point.. I think a decentralized exchange should be possible, I just don't know how the originating fiat will transfer between users without a bank though.  We could mail it to each other using carrier pigeons Smiley

the idea is that the system would facilitate and increase standard transactions among individuals, so there would be no way to know that a bank transfer was made to buy bitcoins, something which is very easy to spot and regulate if the account holder is MtGox instead.


Ah okay, that makes sense.  So we really just need a bittorrent like client application to facilitate p2p trading of bitcoin with wire transfers.

The "tone" of your post suggests you are being sarcastic and such a thing exists already.
Am I misunderstanding? If not, what is it called?
156  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 51% attack problem, are there any solutions to it? on: December 17, 2013, 02:42:58 AM
Are there any solutions which prevent a 51% attack from working?

I searched for it and only found old threads where nobody was able to say there is a technical reason why it would be prevented. I am hoping that in the years that passed since those threads were made that the problem was solved...

I think common sense is the biggest protection against a 51% attack. Someone must extremely eccentric to invest that much into bitcoin for a 51% attack and then kill it  instead of gaining massive profits Tongue

As I stated before, I do not worry about any individual doing so, I worry about governments. Inflation (aka printing of trash paper money) and their desire for power are the motive.

There are many examples of them doing it before, a recent one being egold but it is certainly not the only one

Also, as I explicitly stated, they don't even have to attempt to destroy it. They could merely be attempting to centralize it and control it and that will destroy what it stands for.

Imagine the any world government had the power print more bitcoins to cover their national debt
157  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: the real problem with bitcoin on: December 17, 2013, 02:35:40 AM
Is there a way to receive bitcoin AS cash?

That is, mow the lawn for someone and get bitcoin. Sell a used video card on craiglist and get bitcoin. Taxi cap someone and earn bitcoin. etc?
158  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 51% attack problem, are there any solutions to it? on: December 17, 2013, 02:29:54 AM
oh, I see now, thank you.

I was just giving examples of some of the obvious methods via which it is possible for the US government to do so if they so desire, not a comprehensive list of every way they can.

At the moment they haven't decided to shut us down, yet. But their history of doing so worries me. Hence my question about the 51% issue
159  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 51% attack problem, are there any solutions to it? on: December 17, 2013, 02:16:47 AM
They won't need to they just need to use a 0day on Ghash.io and Btcguild and instant 51% attack.

Can someone explain this to me?
160  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 51% attack problem, are there any solutions to it? on: December 17, 2013, 01:59:19 AM
There is no solution to the 51% attack problem.

However, don't worry as it is difficult to pull off a 51% attack. Like hacking the Federal Reserve.

The fed is the one I am worried about. The US federal government destroyed several alt currencies in the recent past. Such as egold. They even went after companies located outside of the USA in weaker countries which they bullied. And are printing toilet paper, excuse me, dollars like there is no tomorrow.

If the fed sends cops to BFL to seize all the hypothetical next gen ASICs when they are about to ship them... or puts in billions of dollars towards designing their own ASIC and building a massive farm of them, then bitcoin will be ruined.

Not to even mention multiple nations cooperating about it. China, Russia, the USA and European union nations pooling their resources to seize bitcoin. Heck they don't even have to intentionally destroy it, they can just seize it and centralize and use a 51% attack to do so, then it is no different then any other fiat currency
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