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1  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Deribit.com: BTC Options and Futures Exchange launched on: January 20, 2018, 10:02:53 AM
Hello I would be interested in trading options on your platform. Is it possible to have a skype call with you guys?
2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: leaked video explained the recent pump of litecoin on: July 23, 2015, 10:57:40 AM
they have an update:

http://8btc.com/thread-20877-1-1.html

at least we know they haven't run away with the loot
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: leaked video explained the recent pump of litecoin on: July 17, 2015, 10:47:44 AM
looks like they were promising a 3x over the 500 ltc investment through a stream of daily dividend between 3 and 5 ltc per day

it also looks like they are gone, vaporized, ponzi is over
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: leaked video explained the recent pump of litecoin on: July 16, 2015, 04:29:22 PM
Thanks to everybody

I'd like to know the yield, or return promised. Frequency of payback, interest rate, and so on. Should be there looking at the pictures.

It's also possible they are trying to buy back what they sold along the way till the top. they must have been a plan to keep the ponzi going, maybe this is just part of it, but I doubt it, looks to me it's over for them.

also

http://8btc.com/thread-20646-1-1.html

http://8btc.com/thread-20676-2-1.html

are two more threads related to the scam. google translator provides a very bad translation, so it's not clear, but from the comments it sounds like they are gone with the money. aren't they?
people not receiving payments and trying to arrange a lawsuit.

final consideration, chinese exchanges must have known what was going on here. Huobi first, but I believe okcoin and btcchina too.
is it possible that this scam hit bitcointalk only on the 9th while the same day coblee was once again still getting the trollbox monkeys excited at btc-e about ltc spectacular rise??
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: leaked video explained the recent pump of litecoin on: July 16, 2015, 10:53:49 AM
the entire presentation of the ponzi:

http://8btc.com/thread-20457-1-1.html

any chinese that can report the whole thing in english?
6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: leaked video explained the recent pump of litecoin on: July 14, 2015, 10:58:10 AM
the picture showing the scheme doesn't say much. people hvae to buy ltc through huobi, move them to the company, which will give back ltc into an individual account at

https://qianbao.qukuai.com

from there they can go and cash them back at huobi

nothing about yields, and expected time to get them.
7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: leaked video explained the recent pump of litecoin on: July 14, 2015, 09:37:40 AM
I've got the video reviewed by a friend who speaks chinese, the translation posted here is correct, the last sentence
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I got 200 bookings, each is 500 litecoins. How much is that?

he actually says 20k, not 200, which is the number close to what we know: 9m ltc. we can infer from the number that it's also a video made in July probably between the 6th or 8th of July when he was getting close to 20k bookings.

I'm having the little yellow scheme translated too, so far I've just realized he made the clients buy only through huobi. that's the exchange we need monitoring for more 500 lot transactions.
8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: leaked video explained the recent pump of litecoin on: July 12, 2015, 05:40:24 PM
Can't believe he was able to raise 9M ltc and there's not one single investor here on bitcointalk who can explain a little bit more in depth what the current situation is.

there are not many chinese from mainland here. it's like they live on a different planet. they don't use twitter, whatsapp, facebook, linkedin, all different softwares and app. hopefully thanks to this guy they will never use bitcoin and adopt litecoin instead. Smiley
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: leaked video explained the recent pump of litecoin on: July 12, 2015, 10:02:00 AM

but I can't seem to find the new deposit address for the scheme (if there is one?)

we should check the blockchain for 500 ltc movements and see if it goes to a big recipient along with more of the same size (I couldn't find one yet).

good analysis as always usukan, let's continue.
10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: leaked video explained the recent pump of litecoin on: July 12, 2015, 12:07:56 AM
well undoubtedly someone played a coordinated action on many markets. holding down bitcoin till okcoin settlement (in order to screw all the longs positioned in the weekly futures), then dumping litecoin (causing the crash) while squeezing bitcoin just after the settlement (in order to screw all the shorts on the mid and quarter futures contract). Notice that 12 hours before okcoin settlement, more hype was generated in the alt market via a squeeze on nmc and ppc listed on btc-e.

This clearly demonstrates (or just confirms, because I can give more proof this has happened so many times in the past) that also the bitcoin price is totally manipulated by a bunch of guys. In the short term (1/2 weeks) they can fix and print whatever price they want! Whatever! They do it mostly by manipulating at the same time the price on okcoin (both spot and futures) and bitfinex which are the most liquid exchanges.

Now back to the ponzi scheme. It'll be interesting to know much more about it. If only some chinese guys could help in here with the translations and more material from chinese websites. Seems there are none or just a few.

To be honest in the recent past I had a similar idea to that of our guy, but instead of involving a ponzi scheme with depositors looking for high yields, I needed high risk profile investors and a big company with a large client base and marketing power both looking for a very risky but highly rewarding project involving litecoin or another alt within the top 10-15 ranked per market cap. So even though the chances here are 90% for a ponzi scheme whose days are already ended, there might be a slight chance that beyond that scheme lies a larger project aimed to a wider litecoin adoption in China. I guess we will find out soon.



11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: leaked video explained the recent pump of litecoin on: July 11, 2015, 09:35:11 PM
shame I only found out about this story and this thread just a few hrs ago.
In my opinion he must have sold at higher price what people were buying to deposit the 500 ltc chip (or multiples of it).
9m ltc bought out there in the market without anyone dumping some big chunk would have pushed ltc well over 0.05, maybe even 0.1

I also noticed that in the first days (April the 18th, the day when the ponzi started) he used to move the entire amount collected the same day, obviously at some point (couldn't find the date) he stopped that practice, because the net amount is still 400k positive.

does anyone have more details about how and when he would repay the investors? have the early depositors collected any yield? Has anyone have news about him? did he use to post dates and location of his seminars? are they over?

The point here is to understand what's going to happen from now on and how that will affect the price. very interesting story indeed.

EDIT: more considerations.

As far as I understood, this guy went from city to city selling ltc as the new btc to the chinese. great idea. I mean, the chinese don't use twitter, skype, facebook, they could well adopt ltc instead of btc, would be quite reasonable, and desirable too in order to have better competition between different network, devs, mining etc.

now, the question: why stop now (well yesterday to be precise, just minutes after okcoin settlement)?

Usukan asked correctly:

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Did he dump to start the earning scheme over again - that would be a smart move.

Did somebody else dump on him to ruin his earning scheme?  Unlikely considering the scale - but certainly possible.

There are 1.5b chinese, and more middle class chinese than the entire American or European middle class combined by now. Potentially he could have spread the ltc word to many more users that bitcoin already has (in my estimates 50k all around the world with over 1 btc), and raised way more than the 50 million people spent (approximately) to bring the price from 1.5$ to 8$. There was room to bring it even up to 30$ with btc still at 300$. Unless as usukan said, they dumped on themselves on purpose in order to start all over again from lower prices.

Anyway, thanks to this guy, at least 6000-6500 people bought at least 500 ltc (would be 18k if there were only buyers of single 500 chip, but there are multiples, in any case 420 page of deposits x 20 = 8k, taken out the withdrawal maybe 500k, 7.5k left, and surely there are some doubles). Widespread adoption, in a certain sense, that can easily surpass that of bitcoin in china, probably that already happened (I don't think there are more than 10k btc user in china with more than 1 btc). If he also manages to get ltc adopted in china by some social network, the spontaneous adoption will do the rest: the price skyrockets and he will end his scheme succesfully.

So the final question then is: will this guy be able to keep the ball rolling for longer, or is he done?

Mostly it depends on the yields he has to return to the investors, and that can't be done on some mining operation as promised, he has to play the market to make gains! and by manipulating the market he might even succeed in the short term (which probably ended yesterday). Otherwise in order to make huge profits on the stake he has accumulated he needs some real chinese adoption of ltc instead of btc outside his scheme.

Let's keep this thread up and continue the investigation. It's fascinating!
12  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated on: June 21, 2015, 10:13:09 AM
thanks for answering novocadian, appreciated.
8 bid was hit on over 2btc, and there we soon have another bid for 30m dvc.
definitely someone is accumulating.
13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated on: June 18, 2015, 02:05:27 PM
hunterbunter looks alive, he posted something on coinzen over a one month ago

http://coinzen.org/index.php/topic,3226.0.html

apart from that, anybody noticed the price ticking up?
14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated on: June 11, 2015, 09:19:23 AM
I think it's all great discussion, and it's encouraging to see.

This coin is far from dead
, and the price is going to do what the price is going to do for the time being. I'm still happy that people are seeing this as a good buying opportunity, as I do myself. It implies that people still believe in its mission, as I do too.

I've had some rl responsibilities hinder my ability to push forward the devcoin proposal since I took over in September, so the reason it is delayed is largely my fault. On the bright side, looking through the proposal now, there's still nothing that I would change about it, so I'm still confident that it will improve things long term (this is what I'm talking about, if you don't know: http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin_division_proposal).

There were some kinks in the change of leadership when I took over; a lot of admins just disappeared with the falling price, new devtome writers weren't being added by Unthinkingbit, and whole bunch of other stuff I don't have any control over was not being done - my role as "leader" felt very much like a namesake more than anything actually meaningful, and it really felt like I'd been handed a sinking ship just so it had someone to go down with it...without a manual. Maybe that's still the case, however this isn't like a stock where a company can go bankrupt and shut down (like penny stocks), the cryptocurrency is meritable in and of itself, and can be revamped as many times as we need to. As many have mentioned before, a lot of people here don't even earn devcoins because they need the money, they earn them because of its noble mission.

As for the proposed changes themselves, UTB is still in control of accounting, and doesn't want the account files changed (account.py), so instead we're going to have to implement the proposal via the ongoing bounty file, which I do control. The way the files run, however, means it's not going to perfectly divide all the divisions as expected. At the moment, what you see on something like http://dvccountdown.blisteringdevelopers.com is an imperfect estimate of the final shares, and when the account files are run, things like ratings, admin bonuses, marketing and all that are calculated by UTB and stored on his github. Once they are on there, it is "official", and final. I do my own calculations daily, but the only one that matters is the final one, which sometimes varies from mine slightly, probably because of timing. He then pushes those files to the various file custodians to be spread by the client. To implement the division proposal perfectly, it would have to be done before pushing to clients, which UTB doesn't want to do, from our last conversation. Doing it in the ongoing file means I have to predict what the final values are going to be, create normalizations on these, then the account script adds these to the final account.csv when UTB runs it. While I can make a very good guess, it's not going to be perfect. If the community still supports implementing the proposal this way, then that's what I'll do. I haven't calculated the error, but I estimate it to be around 5%, against the perfect version.

There are several other issues we face, going forward.

The first, is our exchange presence. Vircurex in particular is a problem, because it's run by the same people who run crypto-stocks, and while both were quite busy for a while, I've been hearing nothing but bad things about them for the last twelve months. Vircurex was hacked some time ago, and the owners promised to pay everyone back from the profits of trading, which was slowly working for a time. Then a few months ago, another issue they had meant they had to freeze funds, causing people to basically flee the exchange, which destroyed their trading volume. It still seems to be running ok now, but the volume is ultra light, meaning that both confidence in them is at an all time low, and there is extremely little incentive for the owners to build or invest anything more into it. The risk of putting funds on there long term is too high for my tastes. We are also listed on Cryptsy, which doesn't seem to be suffering the same fate, but being on only one and a half exchanges is disconcerting. We simply need more exchanges, which we aren't going to get until we're more interesting to speculators.

The second, is that we never managed to generate a block on the live chain, so couldn't confidently say our new client worked properly. This had repercussions down the line because people think the client hasn't changed in over a year, when it has had a lot of work done. The changes work in the test-net, but we have to convince the bigger merge mining pools to try them live and confirm all is well. One thing we could do is simply declare the new client official, and assume it works. It's not good practice to do this, but we may not have any other option without investing serious capital into mining hardware. I tried to do it with blisterpool, but p2pool just didn't pay out frequently enough to keep people interested...even when I was paying a 20% bonus in devcoins! I have had other ideas to get people to lend us their hash, but haven't had the time to actually do any of it. My time will become more available after January, which is when I can more seriously attempt the division changes again.

Devtome writers haven't been added for some time. UTB is still in charge of adding them, and I believe there is a substantial amount of work that goes into vetting new writers, which he seems to not have had the time to do. He is still around and is still doing the files, so the only thing writers can do about this is hound him until he does it, unfortunately.

Lastly, I wasn't exactly given a handbook on things when Unthinkingbit handed over the reigns, and essentially admins as they were have complete control over their assigned duties. This lack of organization is extremely difficult to problem solve, so one of the things I will address soon is who is actually still here doing their jobs. As someone mentioned, accountability has been poor, and that has to change if we have any hope of recovering. On that note, we will probably go through a mass culling of administrators in the next few rounds. Anyone who is still willing to work on devcoins (and has been), irrespective of the price are of course immune to the cull, but I suspect many haven't been bothering to do their duties as promised. I know the pay exists and is supposed to have some meaning, but to draw on the movies for a moment, I would rather have 300 Spartans than 3000 potters, sculptors and blacksmiths.

one of last hunterbunter's post. just as a reminder...
15  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated on: June 08, 2015, 01:06:24 PM
even with the devs under hibernation the price is slowly going up, I'm impressed. are they secretly buying from their freeze cell before announcing a comeback? usually that's the way devs make money: promise amazing things, pump the price and sell the coins, once the are done, disappoint the buyers, undergo hibernation, buy the lows, make a comeback, new promises again, pump up the price, sell to the gullible public... rinse and repeat.
16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated on: June 08, 2015, 08:22:51 AM
so let's find hunterbunter. also, anyway devcoin inflation can be reduced? periodic halving like bitcoin would be definitely needed here. maybe every 2 years starting from like... now!!
17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated on: June 05, 2015, 09:33:56 AM
DVC has a great potential. I show you why.

A coin must have:

- a good name -> ok
- liquidity -> ok
- a good (and possibily unique) purpose -> ok
- a low transaction cost -> ok (it's merge mined)
- a community -> ok
- high mining hashrate -> ok
- popularity - ko
- philanthropic projects - ko
- investors - ko
- marketing - ko

The problem is not the number of coins. Bitcoin Community is planning to use bits (1BTC=1,000,000bits). This will 'create' ~ 14,000,000*1,000,000= 14,000,000,000,000.
DVC will get the same number of coins in 14,000,000,000,000/2,400,000,000 = 5833 years

The problem is simple: despite DVC is very cheap in transaction since rides on BTC's back, it has zero real marketing. The reason? It's not really the coin for people. I mean, the way coins are distributed must eradically change.
First you need a partner (a big one) already able to distribute coins to philanthropic organisations. In order to receive more these no profit organizations will have to:
- advertise the coin in public events;
- exchange the coin (the partner will monitor this on its payment processor);
- update their payment / donation systems;
- among their projects, they must promote and support at least one kind of art/skill/sport;
- have a logo in every reality.

With this model you will have the task to oversee the process, without the need to check on every piece of artistic production. You will have more time to develop a strong marketing.
At that point the partner will look like a benefactor, plus it will receive a share for handling the distribution, having a coin with very low transaction fee, lower than that fart of Dogecoin.
Steve Jobs was a visionary. We should try to imitate him.

this was a good post, will someone finally move their arse and do something? where's unthinkingbit? anyone able to get hold of him?
18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official Anoncoin chat thread (including history) on: June 04, 2015, 03:03:11 PM
I've got a stuck withdrawal on crypsy since may the 29th, are we back to square 1 with wallet issues?

Did they give you a tx ID that you cannot see on the blockchain with any block explorer?



exactly that. wrote 3 email to support, still stuck
19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official Anoncoin chat thread (including history) on: June 04, 2015, 10:20:23 AM
I've got a stuck withdrawal on crypsy since may the 29th, are we back to square 1 with wallet issues?
20  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated on: June 03, 2015, 11:06:23 AM
Really? Do you have any proof of your statement? if there really went more than 100k $ into development there should be a bigger impact of progress for Devcoin than it is/was.  Undecided i am still a big DVC hodler.

More then 100k $ of revenues from mining went into development, only in the last year, and what did you accomplish?
154k $ market cap, you are a bunch of thieves!

Simple: in a year devcoin has 2.5B new coins mined, 2B of which goes to devs. In may last year devcoin was worth 20 satoshi and fell all along the way to 4 (I believe it's the same devs selling most of their monthly check). Let's assume 10 satoshi average price at a 350$ avg bitcoin price: 2B*350*0.00000010 = 70k usd. Not far from the 100k estimate by lechatnoir.

Now, assuming devcoin remains at these prices around 5 satoshi with btc at 250 for the next year, it's only 25k, less than 2500 a month. how many people split these revenues? what do they do with it? why don't they move their ass to push the price of this coin north of 20 satoshi with some real development that revives the community?
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