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401  Economy / Economics / Re: The end is near on: July 03, 2013, 12:41:46 AM
Capitalism has been the driving mechanism for human society, progress and prosperity in modern history.

for human society? ROTFL
only for some human, the minority that lives in "g8"
the rest of us, live in conditions like war, starvation, pollution, no instruction...

Sounds like the rest of you guys need something you are severely lacking: capitalism  Cheesy
Indeed. The real ideological battle going on in the world today is between two things:

The ideologies and forces of communalism vs the ideologies and forces of individualism.

This is the only lens in which to view the world which will make sense of everything happening around us. Capitalism is what results when you apply individualism to the economic realm.

For most of history our political institutions have been communal.

The trend was bucked strongly for the first time with early Britain during the Industrial Revolution and then with the Declaration of Independence, which is an individualist document.

Since then, communalism in government has gained strength in both Britain and the US. The very culture of individualism that created the modern world is now being threatened with extinguishing. Government has achieved near total power in both places.

The reason this happened is because any organization predicated on communalism is likely to tend towards greater communalism over time. The Founders of the US, despite their intentions, didn't understand individualism as a philosophy of freedom, and thus built a government which was freer than what existed elsewhere, but still predicated on communal principles.

The US constitution is inherently a communalist / socialist document. Socialism is what results when you apply the principles of communalism to the political realm.

So, what happened at last is that pure communalism in the form of socialism, in the 19th century, decided to try to apply communalist principles to the economic realm as well.

This effort created communism--the application of communalism principles to economics.

Communism failed for various reasons I won't go into, but suffice it to say that communism can never be as efficient as capitalism (see the "socialism's economic calculation problem" for explanation).

Capitalism is individualim applied to the economic realm.

Now, if you've followed me this far, you may have noticed that there's one combination which has never, in the history of the world, been tried. There are no outstanding examples of individualism applied to the political realm.

This is the road forward for the world. We must figure out how to apply individualism to the political problem of rights protection, law, law-enforcement, and dispute resolution.

I'm working on these concepts currently, having taken Robert LeFevre's term to head them under. He called this idea "autarchy," meaning "rule of the self, by the self."

To apply individualism to the political problem means first of all abandoning democracy. Democracy is easily seen as a communalist / socialist tool. It seeks to force the will of the masses, as obtained through a vote, on the minority parties.

Whenever you have a society that pushes aside the individual will for that of the majority, you have a communalist society. And whenever a society lets the individual will stand against all of society, that is an individualist society.

We must build an autarchist society where each individual is a sovereign over themselves and their property. Where we reject the principle that anyone should be able to force laws on anyone else. Where each person has total control over their personal set of laws.

With modern technology, this is completely doable. We no longer need representatives forcing laws on us. That is inherently unethical. If we are self-owners and self-rulers, let us truly rule ourselves. Not this sham called democracy.

That is the way forward for this world. I plan to build just such a society in a seasteading context within the next 10-20 years, and pave the way for mass migration into such a society. For if it works as I imagine it, it will be far more prosperous and free than these socialist societies, and people will flock to it thereby.
402  Economy / Economics / Re: The end is near on: July 03, 2013, 12:28:43 AM
Yes it does.  They are definitely not mutually exclusive.  Please look up what the terms mean.  

Capitalism involves, among other things, the private ownership of the means of production and private property (and accumulation thereof).  Whereas this is not the case with Socialism, strictly speaking.

As you may be aware the USA has a very strong history when it comes to protecting private property rights, likely stronger than any other country on this planet.  It's absurd to call the uSA a socialist society, as much as it is to call Cuba, for example, a capitalist society.

The USA was once a great example of capitalism, but that is no longer the case.  Private property is being confiscated, taxed, and redistributed.  Businesses are highly regulated and purchasing power is being stolen from the people by a banking system created by the politicians.  What we have now is a great example of socialism.  Karl Marx would be very pleased with the way things are in the USA now.

Anyone who thinks that the USA is still a capitalist country is completely clueless.

Capitalism and Socialism is Collectivism. It's the same Bullshit. Private property is always sub-property, which is guaranteed by the state, because with this private sub-property, the tax payer is able to generate taxed surpluses. Without a state, there is no such thing as a private property.

This has never been true and is an example one of the great falsities the leftist-anarchs believe. Not only does property exist without the state, animals act as if they own things, themselves, their herds of female, and territories even. There've been done some interesting studies on property ownership in the animal kingdom.

Some primitive tribes do live collectively, but in that case they live as if the tribe owns everything, not as if there were no property at all, which belies your point, since they are stateless.

Functionally it's impossible to live without property as a concept. Because if you can't be the exclusive owner of a thing, then you cannot even live. For to dispose of a bit of food and water is to sequester it away for your exclusive use, which is to own.

Those railing against property have completely missed the mark, and it's a shame that all of leftist anarchism and socialism is focused on doing away with private ownership of property.

It was never property that was the problem. Property is the solution! The problem is government itself interfering. The socialists then allied with government and became the very thing the left-anarchs had railed against.
403  Economy / Economics / Re: The end is near on: July 03, 2013, 12:23:57 AM

I believe Bitcoin is going to lead the way to a free and thriving global economy.


Jost hope we live to see this. Now every time I watch the news it's all about government trying to force new taxes. Land tax was not enough, alcohol tax, income tax, outcome tax, tax for buying a car then for driving it, fueling it, selling it, even for having a dog! If that hasn't been ridiculous enough we have 'air tax' in some regions. Makes me wanna move to the woods somewhere, but that may be hard since even gathering firewood is forbidden...

/r/seasteading, imo.
404  Economy / Economics / Re: The end is near on: July 03, 2013, 12:22:59 AM
Capitalism is not as good as you think if it comes to the point where 1% of the population owns 90% of the money. It's hard to find examples of honest trade, rather more and more poverty and slave labour while the fat pigs get fatter.
The middle class was created by capitalism, just look into history of the middle class, it arrived with the industrial revolution in Britain and followed from there to the world.

It is socialist states where income disparities are worst.
405  Economy / Economics / Re: The end is near on: July 03, 2013, 12:19:06 AM

You must not have been much of an Austrian if you didn't even grasp the basic point that individualism has nothing to do with isolationism. Also, it's a simple correlation-causation fallacy to claim that rainforest tribes are not advancing because they are anarchistic.

I wrote nothing about isolationism. I wrote: An 'individualist' life is possible within a collectivist, materialist society only. Beyond the collectivist society, within the stateless community, there is no individualism.

Self-sufficient rainforest tribes are not advancing and producing surpluses within 1 million years, because they are not forced to produce surpluses (for the church and state mafia). To be forced is the only evident causal reason to produce surpluses. No state = no economy, no business.
Utterly ridiculous.

People produce extra because it's in their interest to do so, so they can exchange it for other wanted goods or invest it, etc.

The nation-state actually circumvents this by siphoning off the extra production, reducing incentive to produce extra, since you won't get to enjoy it nearly as much, since they take it from you.
406  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: July 02, 2013, 11:54:45 PM
What mean sku249 ? I am simple 249 and still only paid not day to me
SKU-249 means you bought a 1-500 miner on the first week and were part of the pre-order group, the golden ticket group.

If you look on the miner page, they all have a SKU number under them. Right now you'll see the Jupiter is SKU-250. You can't buy a 249 anymore.

All the 249's were guaranteed to ship 1st day.

However if you weren't part of the pre-order group you couldn't even see SKU-249 in the store. Thus if you bought day 1 and didn't buy SKU-249, there's no reason to expect you'll necessarily ship on day1. Only the pre-order group got that guarantee with sku-249 and the Saturn equivalent (which iirc is SKU-33 vs SKU-34)
407  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: July 02, 2013, 11:52:05 PM
No one should be ordering at this point, period.
My main concern is the 250watts of each chip. I don't know of any chip with that much power consumption, it will need fans like a whole GPU card and more. The package will need a massive TDP rating. eg. a Pentium 4 Extreme Edition, one of the most power consuming CPU's of all time, was about half that rating.

I won't be ordering until these things are out in the field and proven. I am not a lab rat.
Think of it like a GPU rather than a CPU, parallel processing over serial. There are GPU cards that suck in that range already. A CPU never has all of it active, it's not a parallel device. This chip will be flying full-speed, 100% utilization nearly, all day every day.

As for the lab-rat quip, it's a risk! It's up to you to decide how much you're willing to accept. Me, I rolled the dice. You don't wanna, that's cool too. Either of us may look like geniuses in retrospect Tongue that's how risk works.

But let no one say this is a gamble. Gambling is where you take a risk where the odds are decidedly against you. Investing is a risk where the odds of a return are in your favor.

All the great fortunes are built on investment. The modern world itself was built on investment. Investment is one of the greatest things you can do in this world, as it helps everyone even as it helps you yourself. And here we are, taking massive risks with our personal money to buy machines that will help establish the bitcoin network, laying the groundwork for a revolution in money that 95% of the world doesn't even realize is taking place.

This is the kind of opportunity that people wait a lifetime for, and here we are living it Smiley
408  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: July 02, 2013, 11:45:31 PM
yeah let's not forget the pre-order placement is more important than these order numbers.

I had a low pre-order spot

I guess if KnC went the extra mile they could of listed everyone's preorder spot along with their order# and their day1, day2 etc

then it would make it easier for everyone to digest


It's quite possible that SKU-249 has a different queue than SKU-250 as well.

If you weren't in the early registration group you couldn't buy a 1-500 SKU-249 miner, even on the first day. You could be the first guy to buy a SKU-250 with order number 1 and you're still not shipping first day most likely.

I posit this because they'd previously said that each model has its own queue.
409  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: July 02, 2013, 11:41:52 PM
Those who are Day 1, did you pay with BTC?

My order #'s are 384, 388 and 392.  I am Day 2.  Wondering if it was because I used paypal.  Shitty.

no I used paypal also, and I'm day 1, actually used both methods 1 paypal 1 BTC both day 1

yay...WTF

I'm sure Sam is busy, who can I contact?


My order was #53, and I'm day 2, so...what's the big deal about 24 hours, lol?
and I was the FIRST paypal order, I'm not complaining. I'm totally Stoked.

Good attitude Smiley

Paypal orders may have been pushed back due to the difficulties they had with Paypal the first week. Shipping is by order paid, and that problem with Paypal may mean some people technically ended up paying later, through no fault of their own.

Kinda hilarious or ironic in a way, those who paid with bitcoin receive today a small bonus for doing so, since payment was instant. And here were have had problems with Paypal, the very problem bitcoin was created to alleviate! Us, bitcoin miners!

Down with fiat.
410  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: July 02, 2013, 06:29:33 PM
My problem is:

They take a lot time to read threads and post some new products.

But not a single word about the paid preorders from April and the actually queue position of all the 1-500 customers. Roll Eyes
I checked today, queue orders have been added, but it's a bit obtuse how to check. Take your order *TRACKING number, go to the homepage and plug it in on order tracking at the bottom, it shows then as a comment there.

*Edited
411  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: July 02, 2013, 06:28:41 PM
2,000 Mercury on stock. Wow. This looks bad to me. You can say they are "listening to the market", but its clear to me that if they had enough orders for Jupiter + Saturn they wouldn't do the additional work required to develop and sell a different, smaller unit, opening the preorders for it in a record time.

IMO, this only means they didn't get enough orders of the previous units. This is starting to look bad.
The design of the case and PCB is the same as Jupiter/Saturn, just 1 chip rather than 4. So, it's basically zero extra design. Just a way to sell more overall units. Perhaps a 2nd chip order, as it's scheduled to ship in October.
412  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Mercury on: July 02, 2013, 06:26:14 PM
KnC has stated many times that they were looking to aim to the higher segment of the market, because scaling up to massive demand was difficult.

Indeed, if they are big enough is always better to deal with fewer, bigger customers, than more small customers.

The fact they are backtracking so fast looks like a bad omen to me.
Pshaw. There's what you'd like to do and there's what the market wants. They have long conducted a poll on their site and clearly most interest is in a cheaper device. They're not doing one in the hundreds-of-dollars range like BFL that would give them thousands of customers or w/e, this is a $2k device that is a good compromise between their aim to do a higher-cost device and avoid masses of customers logistically.

They already said in a subtle way that the chips order was not placed yet as they were still discussing "how much" with the fab, and figuring out "how many".
They also said the order would be placed the week after the Mars promo.

I hope this new, smaller unit does not mean they need more  preorders before being able to place the chip order.

Now I will get slaughtered by the wishful thinkers who have wet dreams about KnC delivering in August. Good enough, I know my assumptions are based on rational and cold analysis of facts and not on hopes or emotion driven conclusions.
Your assumptions are, like everyone else's here, simply an attempt at building reasonable inductive likelihoods. Some put more or less emphasis on different aspects and conclude different things.

And those who perceive the state of things closest to the reality that actually results will be the most rewarded.
413  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: July 02, 2013, 05:54:21 PM
KNC introduces the Mercury miner:





Notice they've updated the box designs. Mercury appears to be the same box with only 1 hashing unit, meaning they may plan for both Mercury and Saturn to be upgradeable into a Jupiter.
414  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: End of GPU celebration, DataCenter or no? on: July 01, 2013, 08:45:19 PM
I saw it, it doesn't really help me however, as I mentioned power is my big downfall. That thing would just trip all my breakers and probably burn my house down. Not entirely sure who could run that thing at full capacity either.

I'm working on it. But right now, anybody with 220V/240V in their garage or shop could. It seems that we will not exceed the 6000W envelope/TDP for the 7950-7970. So we will be at 25A on 240V. Very reasonable, you will not burn your house down with that.
The only complication is exhausting the heat, which is about 20500 BTU. I'm looking at both air cooling with ducting for racks and oil cooling with heat transfer to the outside.



Lucky for those that have a 30A 240W line in their home. Unfortunately not so for this fellow.

I did find what seems to be a pretty good deal, looking at the fellows quote above. 2 Full Cabinets, wired with 15A of 240V (208V obv usable) each, unlimited 100mbps internet, 24x7 hands on tech, for $1100/mo, with no setup fee. Looking like datacenter is back on the table wewt. Now I just have to figure out how I would remote admin all that nonsense.
How would you remote admin it?
415  Economy / Economics / Re: The end is near on: June 29, 2013, 06:20:55 AM

There seems to be strong consensus that the tools are in place to dismantle the largest banks and most of the congress people are urging the regulators to use them.

Without criminal charges for the long string of abuses, obscenely blatant wrong-doing and outright theft and transparently complicit 'regulators', the trust and faith needed for a functional financial system will be absent for a long while.
They'll just nationalize the banks and then run them into the ground.
416  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: June 28, 2013, 05:50:27 AM
With a solid selection of dedicated scrypt miners, Litecoin could grow so much stronger than it is today...

This is very ironic, as litecoin was supposed to be strong precisely because there weren't and will not be for a while scrypt dedicated miners.

Only a matter of time until Litecoin ASICs come out. Just need way more memory, which will likely be on-chip, so the relative performance goes way down compared to SHA-256 (mega-hashes rather than gigahashes), but otherwise nothing to stop it from happening.
417  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: June 27, 2013, 02:05:45 AM
The part that I also find interesting is where their product page says..."    Modular Design allowing for expansion at a later date."
Ie: Saturn x 2 = 1 Jupiter.
418  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Process-invariant hardware metric: hash-meters per second (η-factor) on: June 27, 2013, 12:51:36 AM
(21-Jun) Oh my, this is terribly embarrassing.  When calculating the η-factor for bitfury last night I used the gate length instead of the feature size.  I have corrected this; please see above.  No wonder his numbers came out so high.

Any additional checking of my arithmetic would be welcome.
I was seriously wondering how his numbers were possible!

Okay, now do KNC's numbers!
419  Economy / Economics / Re: The end is near on: June 27, 2013, 12:14:54 AM
You have a strange conception of the state's role in production.

To be more exact, you're conflating property and rights protection (law and police) and dispute resolution (courts) with the state.

But you don't need the state to provide any of those things. Law can be crowd-source or agreement based, ie: polycentric-law. No societal entity needs to have a monopoly on law production, that's just the way things have been largely until now. There's no reason for it to stay that way, and an alternative may (and probably will) be far better.

Similarly, courts and police can be privately provided on the market and due to changed incentives of the market will probably be far better.

Stateless communities often also had no rights protection, law, or courts. But it's possible to create not a state nor a stateless community, but rather the ideal is a self-governed community, and by that I mean one where each individual rules himself and himself alone. Not a community which uses a collective body to govern the whole--no, I mean a community where each individual has sovereign control of himself and no one else. A truly individualist society. This has never existed because we never had the ideas explicit to try it until modern time.


You are a dreamer. This is science fiction, written by austrian aristocrats. I know these theories very well, and in my former life I was an Austrian as well, until I realised that it is ahistoric science fiction. Real stateless communities in the rain forests 'produce' about the same amount as they did 10'000 years ago.[/quote]
They don't have advanced specialization or any concept of capital investment. Of course they produce little to nothing. What relevance does that have, at all, to what I'm talking about here. Correlation is not causation. I'm not talking about a stateless society, I'm talking about a society where every-person is their own state, their own sovereign. It's a subtle difference but try to catch the rub. Stateless clans in rainforests typically operate in a form of savage socialism--not extreme political individualism such as I suggest. They are virtually opposite situations.

Governed, collectivist societies produce about hundred fold the amount which was generated only 100 years ago.
No, we've had governed, collectivist societies for literally thousands of years and they never produced what we have now. It was economic individualism that produced the modern world, not government action on society as you seem to suggest. Name a place more governed than ancient Egypt or China--these places didn't produce highly.

That's the difference, which the dreamers suppress.
Deny is a better term. I don't think you know your economic history.

As I explained in another thread already: Any society is by definition collectivist.
That's far too general a statement. A society is collectivist when it holds that the group must be put before the individual. A society is individualist when it holds that the individual's rights can stand against group desires.

A society is either or, it is not innately either. Rights protections are innately individualist, for instance.

The opposite of society and collectivism is the self-sufficient community.
False. You've stated one of the common misconceptions about anarchy. Anarchy is not against cooperation, it is against compulsory cooperation. Thus anarchy is not against division of labor and cooperation in terms of companies, it's against being forced to work with X and the like.

The rest of your quote is useless to respond to since it's predicated on this misunderstanding, so I'll ignore it.
420  Economy / Economics / Re: The end is near on: June 26, 2013, 11:57:29 PM
For that matter, one solution is to build caissons on the ocean floor and use power during the day to pump water out and air in to these giant caissons. When you later need that power back out, you start letting water in which pumps air out at very high pressure, driving a generator. Voila, constant power as needed.

Another solution would be to build huge culverts to funnel the Pacific Ocean from San Diego to the Salt Flats, which happens to be about 200' below sea level and was an inland sea itself that finally dried up a few thousand years ago.  A few water turbines near the Salt Flats, and with the evaporation rate of the area, easily 100 Megawatts or more for as long as we like.  More, if we decide that an inland sea would be a good thing to have there.  It would alter the immediate environment, increasing humidity, cloud cover, and rainfall for several hundred miles around.

Not that the NIMBY crowd would let something like that happen either.
Yeah, that's the main issue there. You can also do that with large bays that have a narrow inlet.
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