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1  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [~5000 Gh/s] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too on: July 09, 2011, 03:00:05 PM
Tycho, is there anything reliable that you can say about down-times due to ddos- or dns-attacks?
Because I really like your service over all other pools I have tried but I'm tired of checking my hashrate every 20minutes just to see if deepbit is down again or not.
Is there any statement possible at which point the servers will be stable again?

Greetz

How could that possibly be answered?  Depends on the attack, the attacker and how difficult it is put up a defense against it.  Don't for a second think that other pools don't go down from attacks, because they do and none are as resilient and stable as Deepbit.
2  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [~5000 Gh/s] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too on: July 09, 2011, 01:39:32 PM
Pool down

Seems to have gone down a little bit ago.  All my miners went idle with connects, disconnects, but no work no matter the state.
3  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin version 0.3.24 released on: July 08, 2011, 11:41:38 PM
These installs seem to be getting more complex.  I'll stick with 0.3.21.  Sad

They are not any more complex than before, what do you think has made it "more complex"?  Just install and be done with it.  If worried about your wallet [which you should be], copy it aside, or in my case, I just take it as a good time to encrypt and back it up.  I can always recover it and it is a process I do anyway.
4  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [~5000 Gh/s] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too on: July 08, 2011, 06:12:42 AM
I doubt these floods are even from a botnet, these days DNS Amplification attacks are just about impossible to stop..
Its not the pool operators fault the pool is going down, I would say he is doing a damn good job keeping it up through this bullshit.
Last time my servers were getting attacked they were taking 20Gbps+ DNS amplified attacks... smoked them right offline. Instantly nullrouted.

Agreed!  He is doing a great job!
5  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [~5000 Gh/s] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too on: July 08, 2011, 03:28:59 AM
well ive given up for now with deepbit, i cant seem to stay connected with all my miners.

They randomly drop and reconnect and in some cases only few stay connected where others wont ever connect.

Allmost like some artificial maximum connection per IP.

Keep in mind that most if not all pools were hit with extended DDOS today and some weathered it better than others.  BTC Guild was essentially down for the count and essentially remains so at well under 50% normal usage.  Slush stayed running I think due to the IP white list (if you don't mind high stale rates due to lack of long polling and score based rounds with 120 confirmation payouts ... you know the drill).  Obviously, I didn't check them all.

Try again now Smiley
6  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [~5000 Gh/s] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too on: July 08, 2011, 03:24:09 AM
Well he is a newbie, white listed so he must be knowledgeable and in the loop :p

I am half kidding since it seems unlikely that he does, but Eleuthria would surely deny it if this guy is lying, so then, if this guy knows both the attackers and the victims .... then what does that mean?  Or is there a partial truth here?  I can't come to a conlusion about anything posted, except that I can't mine, but I don't really case since the difficulty has made it such that it is not worth the constant babysitting [even if it is still profitable for me if things are running smooth 24/7].  Shutting down all mining equipment and going to normal GPU clock settings on my workstation until this blows over ... or bitcoin blows away.

I should point out that a little bit after the quoted post, perhaps 30 minutes or so, I tried mining with my workstation and things were up and running.  I brought my rigs back online and deepbit is doing just fine.  I think Tycho is doing some good work Smiley
7  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Why is login to these forums not defaulted to HTTPS? <eom> on: July 08, 2011, 12:11:56 AM
With all the shenanigans with exchanges and DDOS against pools, it's only a matter of time till the forums fall victim to something...
Would SSL by default help avoid "some" problems?  Probably.

A cert is very inexpensive nowdays. I'm sure ppl would chip in for this purpose if we were asked to do so.

It keeps your credentials encrypted at least which makes man in the middle attacks essentially not possible [I suppose if they have the certificate and somehow change DNS records ...].
8  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [~5000 Gh/s] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too on: July 08, 2011, 12:02:45 AM
Is there anything you do NOT know?

He doesn't know how many licks it takes to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop.

Hah!  Confirmed my puzzlement over this white listed newbie Smiley

Thanks for answering that question for us.

9  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [~5000 Gh/s] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too on: July 08, 2011, 12:00:10 AM
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The guys are criminals - probably not "script kiddies". They don't get what they want (having the botnet mine at pools), now they do this for punishing the pools. I hope it stops soon.

Your'e correct, these guys are not skiddies.  I only know, because I know who's actually behind all of this.  I have no take in it, just know from being connected via whomever.. however, its more than just a botnet and its not punishment.  They have their reasons behind it.  The attack against deepbit is not supposed to stop any time soon.  Its just how they're currently operating.

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Conducting a DDOS requires access to a big botnet. And no, whitelists won't help if it's big enough (BTC Guild banned *every* IP, and they are still unable to offer their services because the connection is at the limit).

Additionally, BTC Guild did not black list every IP address.  This I know because I know Eleuthria at a more personal level.  There have been major changes to his infrastructure over the last few days and more to come in the coming week, however it takes more than just a large enough pipe to handle the attacks.

You need access to an upstream provider who is capable of withstanding the attack as well as mitigating through means of nulling the route upstream, not just the IP of the pools server, that doesn't do anything for the miners or the pool operators, other than shutting them down.

BTCGuild is moving to a larger connection, much larger connection.  This I know because I am the one plugging it in Wink
Is there anything you do NOT know?

Well he is a newbie, white listed so he must be knowledgeable and in the loop :p

I am half kidding since it seems unlikely that he does, but Eleuthria would surely deny it if this guy is lying, so then, if this guy knows both the attackers and the victims .... then what does that mean?  Or is there a partial truth here?  I can't come to a conlusion about anything posted, except that I can't mine, but I don't really case since the difficulty has made it such that it is not worth the constant babysitting [even if it is still profitable for me if things are running smooth 24/7].  Shutting down all mining equipment and going to normal GPU clock settings on my workstation until this blows over ... or bitcoin blows away.
10  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [~5000 Gh/s] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too on: July 07, 2011, 05:27:43 AM
huh then here is a somewhat random question, do we ever hit the limit for block size and what is that limit if you know for sure.

Most definitely or there would never be a wait for confirmations of payouts beyond the end of a round [found block] on deepbit.

then how is bitcoin supposed to be a world currency with millions more transactions an hour if it sometimes falls behind with the current users? o.o its just something ive been curious about latly o.o

Because at some point, the only thing in a block will be transactions, which means there will be a lot of them available Smiley

EDIT:  Most or all transactions will have a fee at that point as well.
11  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [~5000 Gh/s] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too on: July 07, 2011, 04:55:31 AM
huh then here is a somewhat random question, do we ever hit the limit for block size and what is that limit if you know for sure.

Most definitely or there would never be a wait for confirmations of payouts beyond the end of a round [found block] on deepbit.
12  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Why is login to these forums not defaulted to HTTPS? <eom> on: July 05, 2011, 07:15:39 AM
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13  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: DeepBit pool thread for newbies on: July 05, 2011, 05:50:40 AM
Is it worth it for me to start mining with Deepbit if the best videocard in my studio is an old 9800gt, especially given that I can't run it 24/7 since I use it to test our OpenGL projects? Would I be better off just buying the Bitcoins?
So I might have an answer for you.  I've been using a dedicated mining rig with deepbit for a little over a week now.  So far it seems totally solid, I can set automatic payouts and such, that's all fine.  The machine I'm using is basically my old gaming PC.  I's a low end core2 duo, with an nvidia 9600 GT - all and all a pretty lackluster machine.  I decided that since It would be my only expenditure, I could pick up a radeon 6950 as a second video card, turning it into a real mining rig.

The overclocked radeon puts out 350 Mhash, while the nvidia card sits there doing nothing.  I've gotten about 10 Mhash out of the 9600 GT, and about 38 Mhash from the 9800 GTX+.  With a 9800 GT, you can expect to be between those, probably about 30 Mhash.  All and all, I'm not entirely sure the nvidia cards are worth the electric bill.  I actually decided to swap out the 9800 gtx+ card i had in my rig, in favor of the 9600 gt just because of power consumption.  Also, this way I could have the radeon dedicated solely to bitcoin, with 9600gt handling actual video needs (now it's a bitcoin rig & media-center PC).

As far as buying goes, watch the market, it seems to be dipping, which is actually a good thing if you want to buy.  The technology is proven, it works.  just wait, that price will come back up and in the mean time, you can get more coins for your dollar.  I think buying is the way to go.

I wouldn't be offering speculative or investing advise beyond cautionary if I were you.

To the rest of your response, I think you are better off saving the power and dumping the 9800GT altogether, but that is just my opinion.
14  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: DeepBit pool thread for newbies on: July 05, 2011, 05:22:25 AM
Is it worth it for me to start mining with Deepbit if the best videocard in my studio is an old 9800gt, especially given that I can't run it 24/7 since I use it to test our OpenGL projects? Would I be better off just buying the Bitcoins?

Just friendly advise.  Do yourself a favor and give up mining with your current hardware; completely.

The more important advice follows.

Do a LOT of research before you even considering putting one penny into bitcoin.  Right now is a rather pivotal time and I would say by far the most dangerous time to considering investing without REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

I mean this in all kindness, but also I need it to be seen publicly for ALL individuals getting into this market without knowledge.
15  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: DeepBit pool thread for newbies on: July 04, 2011, 08:07:16 PM
I am currently mining at btc guild with 3 gh/s and getting a stale rate of about 2.3%. If I mine with deepbit, will my stale shares be less?
Depends on the cause of those stales. You can just try and find out Smiley

In my experience, absolutely there will be fewer stale shares.  At least 50% less if not more.  BTC Guild grew very quickly and uses stock, or nearly stock push pool code on each server with some bitcoind modifications of questionable value, and distributes pools around the US and EU and then syncs them up for total pool payout on blocks found.  This has resulted in pool servers becoming overloaded, dropping connections (often 10 or 15 seconds) or leaving the miner without a response for new work [long poll or main RPC call] leaving the miner idle.  I am not trying to knock BTC Guild [I think they are second only to Deepbit when both are running well], so, once that pool is in good shape again [supposedly the weekend of 7/10], you can do more direct comparisons.  Both pools have similar feature sets with BTC Guild taking on a variation on the theme making them different than other pools [just as Deepbit is and was different than other pools when started].  Weigh the options, test a little and decide for yourself Smiley.  Personally, Deepbit, over the last many weeks has been by far the most stable pool out there [thus, losses due to idles, outright connection loss, and increased stales from other pools tends to offset the premium 3% fee ... and some people have attacked the fee as too high, but with maximum availability as opposed to other pools, features, etc, this is clearly a working model and "supply and demand" has clearly justified the 3% which I pay without regret].  I don't know how deepbit distributes the servers for the pool [there has to be multiple, right Tycho?], but however it is being done, it is by far the most reliable of any large pool out there.

Last, it is usually a good thing to have accounts at two or three pools to work with; occasionally every book has gone done and every pool has gone down for a significant period of time [even Deepbit, but always recovered better than before and made up for the one time long outage by a large fee reduction which was not required and simply great customer service].  It is also good to, now and then, test the other pools to see what is working for you at any given time [every five day or whatever, connect to another pool for a statistical sampling to determine what your submission rate is, % stale and of course if there are idles or RPC connection issues, so you know whether to reevaluate your primary pool, or more likely, know which is your best backup option should an outage or unstable situation occur].  If your GPU utilization is cycling (due to receiving no work or outright RPC communication failures), in particular enough to cause the temperature to change by more than a couple of degrees frequently, that is a sure sign to run ... it is very hard on your GPU, especially since it is running 24/7 at 99-100% unlike it would for normal gaming [frequent temperature fluctuations, especially a the higher temps of high utlization causes fatigue wear and tear leading to reduced life, likely significant, of the hardware].  Deepbit leaves me with pretty constant GPU usage, and even with a pool restart of something now and then, one blip is a non-issue. 

For me, in spite of my ventures elsewhere, Deepbit remains my pool of choice and is BY FAR the most stable in all respects mentioned above.  Every attempt to mine elsewhere for backup testing has shown deficiencies in the pool within a couple thousand shares per miner, which is what is required to get a reasonable idea of stale rates anyway. 

As usual ... I am verbose  Roll Eyes



16  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: [MINER] Phoenix - New efficient, fast, modular miner **BFI_INT support!** on: July 02, 2011, 09:28:19 PM
WinXp x64
HD 6970

Was getting 420 Mh/s, but with the new version, I can't get over 405 Mh/s.

command line used:
WORKSIZE=128 BFI_INT AGGRESSION=11 VECTORS

What do I need to change to get back the missing speed?

Are you sure that you were actually getting that speed?  Meaning, were you producing more stales?  Phoenix was rumored to be showing artificially high hash rates, although I cannot confirm this personally.

EDIT:  Add FASTLOOP=false

Fastloop is on by default and while it is not supposed to affect higher aggression levels like it used to, it is better safe than sorry.
17  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What's up now? No, somebody is teasing the market with $2.99 small BTC trades ( A real sell off on: July 02, 2011, 04:42:35 AM
They are fixing it now:
Cancel trade: Matching error (BTC sold: [tid:1309577590796944] 1.500000 ฿TC at $2.99000)

Really?  They actually noticed?  How about the "last trade" issue?
18  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What's up now? No, somebody is teasing the market with $2.99 small BTC trades ( A real sell off on: July 02, 2011, 04:40:44 AM
Wait, so you can buy btc for as low as 3$ instantly? Have you tried selling that btc back at 15$, buying more btc, and repeating?

Did you look at my post?  Somebody was selling small number of coins, as few as 0.10BTC at $2.99.  Your chances of intentionally buying from this creep are small and the profit of reselling at market price is small ..the largest I think sold was 1.54BTC (as far back in history as I went anyway).

If you want to kill the guy off and snag a few, put a standing buy order out for $2.99 and as many BTC as you have funds in your account  [which I don't trust leaving on that exchange for long].  He'll get sick of losing his bits and ideally MtGox fixes the last trade issue (they probably won't be aware of it for weeks knowing them) since it is almost certain that the last trade would not be for $2.99 for more than a split second with the amount of coins that was asking for $2.99 (0.10-1.54BTC when I looked).
19  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: [MINER] Phoenix - New efficient, fast, modular miner **BFI_INT support!** on: July 02, 2011, 04:30:32 AM
Make sure you apply this fix if you haven't already:

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=23067.0

6% performance increase for me Cheesy

This has been on the SVN since Monday, and since kernels are not part of the compiled binary I'm not planning another release until I finish the RPC re-write.

Have you considered branching your releases?  I, for one am always hesitant to run live with HEAD (or TIP, or whatever people refer to it as) code.
20  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: [MINER] Phoenix - New efficient, fast, modular miner **BFI_INT support!** on: July 02, 2011, 04:27:01 AM
Make sure you apply this fix if you haven't already:

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=23067.0

6% performance increase for me Cheesy

Mathematically, it can only be about 3% [although ever so slight variation due to quantum effects, meaning you submit single shares, not partial shares, so there is variation in any given analysis window and also a change in the amount of work dumped or lost as stale when a block changes (the faster the miner, the less stale in a perfect world I think)].

The reason that it has to be about 3% is it was a rearrangement such that fewer computations on the GPU needed to be performed for a given unit of work ... so the performance increase is actually fixed.
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