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1021  Economy / Securities / Re: Community Mining - Avalon ASIC chip Miner- 11GH/s on: May 26, 2013, 08:02:11 PM
Please note, i added a Changelog on the end of the first post, in this Changelog I will write every changes of the project or additions to the FAQ.

See #1 changelog entry for more Information.

Best regards
Foofighter
1022  Economy / Securities / Re: Community Mining - Avalon ASIC chip Miner- 11GH/s on: May 26, 2013, 05:22:36 PM
If it's all the same, would you consider fractional shares for those with mere pocket change to throw in?

Hi,

from our point of view, fractional shares are not profitable enough to bring satisfaction to our Shareholders.

Also it would take a lot more investors to buy devices and would cause more workload.

I also think that around 0,55 BTC, is a pretty fair price for 1 share and should be affordable by everyone.

regards
Foofighter
1023  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Community Mining - Avalon ASIC chip Miner- 11GH/s on: May 26, 2013, 05:08:12 PM
Hey guys,

the project has moved on from announcements to the Services section:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=216782.msg2276338#msg2276338

Please post only in the new thread from this post on.

Thanks!

Bestn regards
Foofighter
1024  Economy / Securities / Re: Community Mining - Avalon ASIC chip Miner- 11GH/s on: May 26, 2013, 04:39:38 PM
reserved
1025  Economy / Securities / Re: Community Mining - Avalon ASIC chip Miner- 11GH/s on: May 26, 2013, 04:39:04 PM
1026  Economy / Securities / Re: Community Mining - Avalon ASIC chip Miner- 11GH/s on: May 26, 2013, 04:38:35 PM
Frequently asked questions:

When is this service available?
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You can already buy shares, but the first ASIC Miner will be estimated to arrive at mid/end of august.
We will continually order devices the more shares are bought, your shares will start working as soon as we got the devices. See the order in the investment table.
As our information is now, it currently could take about 12 - 17 weeks from the ordering of the chips until we get the mining device in our hands, please note this time frame is an estimation!

Which mining devices are we using?
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We will buy ASIC chips from Avalon in the following group buys:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=187660
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189582.0

See here the Assamblers of the Burnin-20 and the Klondike-16:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=179769.380
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=190731.0

Burnin-20:


Klondike-16:


How much Mining power has one of this devices?
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Burnins 20chip device produces 5,5GH/s, the Klondike 16 produces 4,5GH/s.

How much Mining devices are involved in this project?
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There is no fixed amount at the moment, as people are investing more monex we will buy the more devices.

Will it be possible to sell my Shares?
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Yes you are allowed to trade your shares.

How are the mining earnings splitted?
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At the end of a payout period, the power costs and a handling fee of 1,5% will be subtracted from the mining earnings. The earning will then be splitted proportionally to all investors.
After the initial Investment of an Investor is mined the handling fee for further mining earnings will be 5%.
If a Share which has already reached the initial investment is traded, the 5% handling fee will still apply.
Please note: As we are using different Mining devices with different Amounts of Shares and Speed, the whole Hashingpower of all devices is splitted into all Shares so everybody gets the same Speed/ Share.

What is the payout frequency?
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We will make payouts once every week, at each payout we will post a notification in the thread and will summarize alle mining earnings, the power costs and the handlings fees.

What happens if a Miner gets damaged during the project time?
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As this is a Community Mining Project, everyone will have to take the same risks, so if a mining device is damaged the whole mining power of the farm will be splitted propotionally to all investors until the Mining device is fixed or we got a replacement.

What happens if the project isnt providable any more, an increasing amount of Miners gets damaged or we are in any other way forced to stop the project?
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In this case we will sell all Miners and split the profit propotionally between all investors, or the investors can have there Mining device send home to them depending if the amount of shares they are holding is equal to a full Mining device. (this option would require to pay additional shipping and packaging costs which have to be paid by the investor)
The option that a Shareholder can send his Miner to him will only apply 6 Months after the initial investment is payed out.


Why should we trust you?
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As mentioned before a trusted member of the forum will be provided with my identity data and in cases of scam or fraud everyone of you will be provided with my data.
Also it would make no sense for me to scam you because this would mean only a limited profit, in the long run if we trust each other both parties can take much more advantage and make more profit.


How are you going to provide the promised transparency?
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Our Mining devices will be bought in two steps, first of all we need the chips then the chips will be send to the assambly service and afterwards we receive the mining devices and start mining.
As the chip buy is a public forum thread everyone can see how much chips we are buying, we will see how the assambly service will work but maybe this could also be done in a way that everyone sees where the money is going.
See here our ordered ASIC Mining chips:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=187663.0
Batch 1: 21pieces - ID89
Batch 3: 19pieces - ID17
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=200067.0
Batch 1: 48pieces - ID105
Batch 1: 32pieces - ID116
1027  Economy / Securities / Community Mining - Avalon ASIC chip Miner--33.840MH/s----> All Shares are taken on: May 26, 2013, 04:37:26 PM
Hey guys,

in this thread I want to introduce a Community Mining Project which will run with Miners made of Avalon ASIC chips.

About this project?
  • This project will be an investment project for you! You can buy shares from ASIC Miners, each share is equivalent to ~920Mh/s hashing power
  • The more shares are bought the more Miners will be bought
  • All shares and shareholders will be listed in this Thread
  • There will be weekly payments
  • Will will buy the ASIC chips in a group buy and we will probably buy the 20 chips Mining Units from Burnin ( one of his devices will provide 5,5GH/s hashing power)
  • This service will be available as long as it will be profitable for our investors
  • We are at no time the owners of the mining devices, we will only host and administrate the devices for you
  • Each Miner with the Mining power of 5,5 GH/s will be splitted into 6 Shares


Advantages:
  • no need to configure any hardware or software
  • cheap hashingpower
  • good community support, with frequend news

Please note: The first few investments will be taken to buy only ASIC chips, because these parts are the most time critical part of the Miner, in the case that there are no other investors I will pay the assambly service and other necessary costs on my own to provide the complete mining devices!

The costs of 1 Miner is:
1,72 BTC + 1,78BTC @100EUR/BTC


Actual weighteda average BTC Price from MTGOX:https://mtgox.com/index.html?Currency=EUR (Forum warning: Possible phishing link!) (Forum warning: Possible phishing link!)
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Please replace the red coloured number with the current average MTgox Price for 1 BTC
Example:
1BTC=97EUR
(((100/97)*1,78)+1,72)/6 = (0,593BTC per Share)


The fixed price of 1,72 BTC is needed because the ASIC chips can only bought with a fixed amount of BTC, the variable part of the costs is for assambly, shipping, customs, cables and power supplies,USB Hubs etc..
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Please note: We have decided in change #2 (see changelog) to use different Mining devices, currently we are ordering Burnin-20 and Klondike-16.
See here the Shares in which the devices are splittet:

Burnin 20chip device     =    6 Shares
Klondike 16 chip device =    5 Shares

We are looking to buy an even amount of both devices.
As the pricing of the clondike 16 is very good we can offer the clondike for the same share price as the burnin 20 chip device!

How can I invest in this project?

1. Choose the amount of shares you would like to invest and then just pay to the provided adress and verify your payment adress.
    There is only one payment adress:
Please only send your BTC from an adress which you can control and verify messages with!
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no Shares left to pay!

2. Sign a Message with your USERNAME and used sending adress:
How to for software wallet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oxM9_OCQKM
How to for online wallet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S88ciN9DsRk
Check your own verification: http://brainwallet.org/#verify (Forum warning: Possible phishing link!) (Forum warning: Possible phishing link!)

3. Post your investment in the following format:
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<forum nick>; <Number of shares>;<sending address>;<the actual BTC price you calculated with>
<verification signature>

If you have any questions, dont hesitate to ask!

Project Status:

Working Miners:
0

ordered ASIC chips:
120

ordered Miner assambly:
still not available

Original Post in the service announcement section:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=209865.msg2198570#msg2198570

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Changelog of the FAQ and the Thread:
#01 - 26.05.2013
Adding Information that the first few investments will be taken as a whole to order ASIC chips, because they are the most time critical parts of the Miner.(I will pay the Assambly costs in case that there are no further investments.)

#02 - 27.05.2013
We have decided to split our risks a bit more and buy multiple different Mining devices and use multiples ASIC chip Groupbuys, Shareprice stays the same for burnin-20 and Klondike 16: see Announcement here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=216782.msg2289484#msg2289484 (Forum warning: Possible phishing link!) (Forum warning: Possible phishing link!)
Also we changed the FAQ you accordingly to this change in the project.

#03 - 28.05.2013/30.05.2013
edited the verification process part of the #1 Thread and made it a lot easier to understand, see the explanation with 2 links now.
also added Video Tutorials for making the signing process easier.

#04 - 29.05.2013
added an estimated time frame from the ordering of the chips until we get the final device, see FAQ for more Information.

#05 - 30.05.2013/31.05.2013
edited Point3 of how to make an investment, from now on it is mandatory to post this in the Thread because PM makes no sense - there are no anonymous investors in this project
corrected the value for the hashing power per Share from 917 to ~920

1028  Local / Biete / Re: Community Mining 840 Ghash/s bereits Butterflylabs Asics -> Jetzt Anteil kaufen! on: May 26, 2013, 03:50:23 PM
Hallo,

würde meine 2 Anteile auf Platz 74 anbieten.

Würde 1,35 BTC für beide verlangen.

Bezahlung bitte an diese Adresse wer sie nehmen will:
1Bv4XhVRZyNfBWuyFbqS8HwYwB3STJXdQA

grüße
1029  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTB] Avalon Chips 32-64 from a Group Buy on: May 26, 2013, 11:26:45 AM
Hi,

I would also be interested in buying early ordered chips from one of the group buys.

Please send offers per PM.

regards
1030  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: NEW - another ASIC chip on: May 26, 2013, 08:55:12 AM
Probably I will be the only one with only accepting escrow payment. That's for sure.
I will post the lead time when I will know more about.
interesting... who are you going to use for escrow?

very interesting, looking forward to your news!
1031  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: KnCMiner Openday on: May 26, 2013, 08:53:55 AM
seems very trustworthy at all if they will do open day and so on, but BFL was also visited by more then 1 of our forum members and still are are only a few prototypes out there.

regards
1032  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Community Mining - Avalon ASIC chip Miner- 11GH/s on: May 25, 2013, 04:47:22 PM
Today I got additional Feedback from akka, which comprehend a few use cases which arent already included in our FAQ and the main conditions to what will happen if the service ends respectively what options does the investors have with there shares in this cases. Also we will change the Share splitting of the devices to a round number, either 5 parts(1,1gh/s) or 6 parts(916Mh/s).

We will implement this changes until tommorow and hopefully we can then proceed soon to akkas identity approval and the open payments.

regards
Foofighter
1033  Local / Biete / Re: Abgeschlossen - Lancelot FPGA - Gruppenbestellung on: May 25, 2013, 03:41:55 PM
Danke für die Kommentare Smiley

Versteh es mit der Trust Funktion aber selber noch nicht so?! Da steht immer noch 0-0 und eure Kommentare stehen unter "Untrusted Feedback" ??

Grüße

evtl wird nur Feedback akzeptiert das bereit von Membern mit trusted Status kommt damit sich nicht newbies selber pushen können, irendwo im englischen Meta Bereich gibt es eine Diskussion dazu.

grüße
1034  Local / Biete / Re: [Gruppenkauf] Avalon ASIC Chips (SebastianJu) Batch 4: 5854 ASICs weg 35854 sold on: May 25, 2013, 11:29:35 AM
dein chipkauf projekt hat richtig fahrt aufgenommen. bravo, gratuliere & respekt
+1
muss ich auch zustimmen, danke an Sebastian für die tolle Arbeit!

grüße
1035  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: I was just banned from BFL forums on: May 25, 2013, 07:56:07 AM
"supposedly' they shipped all jalapeno orders for june 23 to 25th on 3 days ago.  What isn't clear is if this was another 'burp' like a month ago when they shipped out samples to testers and important people or actually for real customers.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/

I received my jally 5/23 (ordered 6/24/12) and Im a nobody.

so at least they are shipping to regular folks now.

be interesting to see how well they can keep it up.



wow this is very much suprising, are they rly doing deliveries now?

But still only jalas^^

regards
1036  Other / Meta / Re: Marketplace trust on: May 25, 2013, 07:48:02 AM
Very positive addition in my opinion, hopefully it won't be abused. OTC is very challenging to setup and confusing for beginners so this could be the alternative many have been looking for.

+1, like this new system very much, and I also hope that it can not be abused be a few newbies pushing themselves with fake data or so.

regards
1037  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Trust System on: May 25, 2013, 07:43:11 AM
+1, very nice idea - also that you can provide proof threads!

regards
1038  Other / Meta / Re: Petition: BFL should no longer be allowed to advertise here on: May 25, 2013, 07:42:14 AM
+1
1039  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Community Mining - Avalon ASIC chip Miner- 11GH/s on: May 24, 2013, 10:53:03 PM
Hi all,

so we made a new reworked concept, based on the community mining attempt suggested by yxt and akka.

Now I am awaiting your feedback for this new project proposal, what I am still not sure about is the payment adress, if we should use a single or multiple adresses.

Best regards
Foofighter
1040  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Open Source - ASICmining (5-10% interest) + 2% Early Bird Bonus on: May 24, 2013, 08:18:04 PM
Thanks for the positive feedback @akka and yxt!

I agree with both of you, initially my thought on this project was just to provide a better pyramining because i had in mind that a community mining Project would provide a lot of risk to us.

But now I am definatly convinced that a community mining attempt is the best solution for both the investors and us.

We will work this solution out in the next days/hours and will release it to the community, I hope you will also give us your well appreciated feedback on the worked out concept.

Basically, as akka mentioned a Share(1GH/s per share?) system would be the best solution but without a buyback of the given out shares, because this would at the end again provide a high financial risk for us.

Thanks so far for your feedback!

Best regards
Foofighter
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