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481  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Tips for local transactions on: October 03, 2017, 07:29:12 AM
I was writing this as a reply to someone else's topic and it got kind of lengthy, so I decided to make it into a topic instead.

The intention of this topic is to help new buyers and sellers in the BitCoin community who are looking to meet up and trade locally. I've done a lot of local trades and sales over the years, so I'm hoping that my experiences can help beginners by giving them ideas on how to trade safely. For this purpose I've separated my advice into three sections: meeting for trades, advice for buying, and advice for selling.

I've tried to format everything in a clear and concise manner to make this topic more readable. I'm open to suggestions for edits and additions to help make this guide as useful as possible.

Hope this guide helps anyone looking to start trading locally!

Note: Some names/locations I mention are US based, so I apologize if they're irrelevant for your location. The theories behind this topic should be fine regardless of country.



Meeting:
There are three main things I look for in meeting places:
  • Public Location - Are there plenty of people around?
  • WiFi Access - Is there free or cheap public WiFi access in the area?
  • Security - Are there security cameras or security guards in the area?

Public Location:
Public locations are like Local Trading 101: it is always better to meet in a public place. Scammers and muggers are a lot less likely to try anything with witnesses around. You can usually find these people early on by simply requesting a public meeting place: they want to meet their victims alone.

WiFi:
Places like McDonalds, Starbucks, Barnes & Noble, and many local coffee shops offer free WiFi access. A lot of hotels offer WiFi as well, but usually not for free or to non-customers. Bring a laptop or tablet with you if you have one so you can check transaction details and confirmations. Depending on what you're buying/selling/trading, having a computer to do some last second research on item values can never hurt if you're worried about getting the short end of the stick.

Security:
A location with security cameras adds an extra layer of security to a trade. If the other party does get away with stealing from or scamming you, you'll have physical evidence in a recording that can help the authorities track the offender down and bring him to justice. Security guards can help set your mind at ease if you're concerned that you might get mugged: muggers are a lot less likely to rob you if there's a guard with a gun a few yards away. A guard can easily step in and save you if a mugger does start attacking you.

My personal recommendation would be to meet at a mall, if there's one in your area. Malls have tons of security measures to help protect you as you make your trade, and many malls have WiFi access across the entire property: there's a good chance that one of the mall's stores has WiFi access even if the mall itself doesn't. Banks are a good choice too: banks have great security, and some bigger banks have WiFi access as well.

Buying:
There are three things I want to cover about buying in-person:
  • Reviewing Your Purchase
  • Paying with BitCoin
  • Paying with Cash

Reviewing Your Purchase:
For buying items, remember that there's a lot you can't tell about something just from pictures. Make sure to look the item over carefully and make sure everything is in working condition/described condition before you pay the seller. A seller who is unwilling or nervous about letting you check out an item may know something about the item he doesn't want you to find out. It's a good idea to meet during the day or in a well lit area so you can see everything clearly. Don't be afraid to ask questions if anything feels off and don't feel obligated to complete a sale you're uncomfortable with.

Paying with BitCoin:
One of the easiest ways to pay in BitCoin in person is with a mobile wallet app from a smartphone. Blockchain a mobile wallet app for Android and iOS. It's an online wallet, so I wouldn't recommend it for long-time storage: strictly transactions. Once I know how much I need to pay for an item I put that much in the wallet, and maybe 1 or 2 BTC more just in case there's a last second price change, and when I get home I immediately transfer any leftover funds to a more secure wallet. Blockchain works the same as any other client: enter the seller's payment address and the amount of BTC for the sale to send payment. Blockchain also has a QR scanner built in if the seller has a QR code address.

As a side note, I use an iPhone and Blockchain is, to my knowledge, the only wallet app for iOS without jailbreaking your phone. I have no knowledge about jailbreaking or Android apps for alternatives to Blockchain, but you can always do your research here on the forum or on the BitCoin wiki to find an app that works for you. You can also use your laptop, if you have it with you, to access your wallet and pay the seller. I recommend creating a brand new wallet for the transaction, especially if you're the paranoid type. Better safe than sorry, right? Wink

Paying with Cash:
This section focuses on buying BitCoins. One of the more common OTC transactions is buying BitCoin with cash. If you're buying BTC, you need to give the seller a payment address to receive your funds. You can use your mobile wallet to receive the funds, which you can then transfer to a safer wallet when you get home, or you can write down or print out a wallet address for the seller to send the BTC to. If you do the latter method, make sure to confirm the transaction before you part ways: use a laptop to check your wallet and confirm the payment or have a trusted friend/family member monitor the wallet and contact you with confirmation of the funds.

Selling:
There are a few things to review for sellers:
  • Terms of the Sale or Trade
  • Accepting BitCoin Payment
  • Accepting Cash Payment
  • Other Forms of Payment

Terms of the Sale or Trade:
If you and the buyer have agreed to the terms of the trade ahead of time (as in what is being sold and for what price), I recommend printing out a copy of the agreement or correspondence (emails, forum posts, etc.). I've had experiences where the buyer tries to change the deal at the last minute or claims that I agreed to a lower price for the sale. Printing out what you offered and he accepted will back you up and help you get the price you asked for. You can also take a picture of these correspondences with your phone or digital camera if you don't have a printer, or use a laptop/tablet to bring them up if WiFi access is available.

Accepting BitCoin Payment:
Write down or print your payment address and bring it with you: I also recommend having a QR code address printed for buyers who use mobile wallets. Make sure you have a way to confirm payment before you part ways with the buyer. Use a laptop/tablet to check on the transaction for confirmations as well as affirming that the buyer paid the correct amount. You could also have a trusted friend/family member monitor your wallet and contact you with confirmation if WiFi is unavailable. Mobile app wallets may be able to confirm transactions on the spot, negating the need for WiFi access and a computer if you have a 3G/4G phone: the Blockchain app I mentioned can do this for you.

Accepting Cash Payment:
The main concern with cash payment is counterfeit bills. Most banks and retail locations keep special markers at the registers that can show if a bill is real or counterfeit. Here's an example on Amazon. These markers are a cheap investment if you're worried about receiving counterfeit money. I've also found them at office supply stores like Office Depot and Staples for around $5-$15. Keep one in your pocket and mark the bills before you finish the sale. Make sure you explain to the buyer what you're doing so they don't freak out on you: I've had that happen before.

Other Forms of Payment:
The are two things to remember about alternative forms of payment: one; try to agree with the buyer ahead of time about the use of non-cash/non-BTC payments, and two; do your research on the payment method to make sure you know what you're getting and how it works (and how easily, if possible, it can be forged or reversed). This forum is full of warnings about certain payment methods for good reason. BitCoin purchases seem to be the bigger targets for chargeback fraud, so keep yourself educated when you're selling BTC in person.

There is one final warning I would like to give in this section: do not accept personal checks. One of the first in-person sales I ever did was for a personal check ($450), and I'm sure you can guess how that went simply by the way I've brought it up. Another check sale a few months after that one was paid for with a stolen checkbook and I had police show up at my house asking about the sale so they could find the guy. If you absolutely must accept a sale by check, I would recommend completing the sale at a bank so you can cash the check on the spot.

Other Tips:
This section is for good advice submitted by other posters. Thanks for your contributions!
  • Make sure to specify your expectations in advance. Confirm the time and place of meeting and make sure that both parties have everything on hand to complete the sale or trade. ~ Stephen Gornick
  • Strength in numbers: bringing along a second person can be an excellent source of additional security and protection. ~ Vernon715
Great tips for local transaction understanding, thanks for sharing
482  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Does Bitcoin have a future? on: October 03, 2017, 07:27:41 AM
Absolutely there is a future for bitcoin and blockchain system, I recommend to view the technical data for the past 4 years on bitcoin price
483  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Fork November: Ledger wallet in "Legacy" or "Segwit" to get free coins? on: October 03, 2017, 07:25:22 AM
If I am not wrong both segwit and legacy wallets have the same blockchain system
484  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What is the Best Trading Strategy You Use for Cryptocurrency? on: October 03, 2017, 07:22:40 AM
There is no technical analysis tools working properly to plot you something for the future. try to understand the strategy and arbitrage trading reasons.
485  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Practice trading on: October 03, 2017, 07:20:34 AM
You can follow up this forum to increase your learning curve and make it steeper. You can find more than you need.
486  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Day Trading on: October 03, 2017, 07:19:10 AM
It depends on your budget and learning curve, if you know a bit of arbitrage then it would be less risky
487  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin growth again, what to do? on: October 02, 2017, 11:12:07 AM
BTC all the history gave chance to get in to the bus, fluctuating a lot give investors to buy/sell. Everybody thinks that btc is a long term investment but just to keep in mind that the technology is improving very fast, what is the period of time by saying it a long term? In my point of view 6 month is a very long term for the technology business. So we need to update everytime our expectations. If I turn back to the discussion for what will we do if btc increase again? I study a lot to decide a level to buy, I need to wait a bit to start buying again.
488  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What were your experiences with Bitcoin when you first started? on: October 02, 2017, 11:07:47 AM
I would like to know what experiences did you had when you first started with Bitcoins. As for me, I had many that I would like to share with you.

When I began in the Bitcoin world, I was a complete rookie with no proper knowledge of how did mining worked or anything about cryptocurrencies. I just thought about Bitcoin as another payment processor like PayPal. But when I joined the BitcoinTalk community, I learned so many things along the way. In my process of learning in the first days, I decided to invest into cloud mining services. Since I didn't knew much about it, I invested a plenty amount of Bitcoins to start my journey into it. During that time, I had gotten into many different services. Those were GAW Miners, then Cointellect, cloudminr.io and finally Hashnest. After getting scammed many times by the services mentioned previously, (except for Hashnest) I have lost many Bitcoins. As a result, I decided to never invest into cloud mining and thus dedicate myself into learning more about the cryptocurrency and look for other ways to earn Bitcoins. It was then that I enrolled into the signature campaign that I am currently into and during all that time I began to earn Bitcoins as well as diversify my investments into different alt coins. Now I am dedicated to trading Bitcoins and other alt coins, as well as working for it (like the signature campaign and working as a freelancer) in order to earn coins and build up my portfolio along the way.

Anyways, what would be your experiences with this exciting cryptocurrency?  Cheesy
This is funny that I nearly have the same experience. First on mining doggy coins with a good desktop processor, then we lost everything 4 years ago, after 6 months of mining again we turned all to btc it worth was 3 btc at that time btc value was around 400USD. We also invested a few totally we had 5 btc 2 years ago same mistake, got in to alt coins lost most of them. Now making arbitrage to increase the same amount.
489  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Bitcoin Die Because of China? on: October 02, 2017, 10:57:55 AM
Current news regarding China ban on ICO's can only be effect the btc price but by time it will find it's value again. These conditions normally decrease the price of the btc, anyway China is a huge contributor, they have power for demand/supply side easily effect the price. In my opinion they are trying setup well organised market rather than uncontrollable ecosystem. At the end of the day, BTC would not die due to China but the big movement on price postponed by current spurt on ICO ban.
490  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can Bitcoin be used by ordinary citizens? on: October 02, 2017, 10:46:56 AM
By ordinary citizen you mean the tiny investors with a low budget compare to the funds, everybody easily buy/sell btc. The risk is it is fluctuating a lot in a short period of time, so investor who would like to arbitrage from btc than they should learn how to do it, fund managers already know very well.
491  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What if another altcoin surpasses BTC in value? on: October 02, 2017, 10:43:53 AM
I think that Bitcoin will still as the first valuable crypto currency online for a very long time. Actually all the altcoins depend in teir prices and trading status with Bitcoin, I am not seeking any altcoin could surpass BTC in the near future at least

Please, read this thread carefully. There are several altcoins which are higher in value than Bitcoin. Do they really cost anything is another question, but it is a fact that their price in USD is higher than of Bitcoin's.

But if we reformulate the topic question to "Can any other altcoin be more important than Bitcoin?" then I would answer no, Bitcoion has always been and will always remain the most important crypto.
I have the same thought that BTC is the most important crypto money that has been kept by wider usage for the investors. Due to the expectation on the long run btc might perform better than all, this is what we have current situation. It increased more than 400% in this year compare to last year, it fluctuates a lot but in a period of time it is worth to keep it.
492  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: can bitcoin wallet be hacked by hackers? on: October 02, 2017, 09:05:59 AM
Using an offline wallet to be more secure but never enough when there is a viciousness on mind, nothing will protect just trying to secure as possible.
493  Economy / Speculation / Re: BITCOIN = 5000$ THIS 2017? on: September 30, 2017, 08:30:34 AM
A lot to go over 5kUSD, definitely can see that level but I am not sure it holds there a long time to make it strong for resistance. The signals are weaken have to be careful.
494  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Time management. on: September 30, 2017, 08:25:46 AM
Most of us have a daily responsibilities.
How do you manage your time in trading and in bounty campaign as well as researching for the news and updates of your favorite altcoin?
Taking advices and experiences from network would be the most important thing and save from time. This forum is one of the ways to do it. Try to make a white list bring up max 10 potential projects and study them to select the strongest one that you believe on, trust your feelings and emotions because the 50% part of it is Luck!
495  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bitcoin - time to buy or sell? on: September 30, 2017, 08:22:28 AM
There is no best time to buy, we have to buy certain period of time in small amounts.
Can I do it? Of course not !
496  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: There is any Bitcoin "products" for Banks? on: September 30, 2017, 07:58:48 AM
I am wondering if there is any dedicated solution for integrating Bitcoin with "real" banks?
Some special "wallet"? Or any other infrastructure products/companies that should helps banks implement Bitcoin in an easy and secure way?
I am not talking about all the "Block-Chain" companies out there who trying to build their "shared" database with banks, I am talking about Bitcoin as we know it.
I believe that some of the banks are already works on such an integration, I just wanted to learn about the market in that area.

Thanks. 
At the end of the day this haas to be made, you never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.
497  Economy / Economics / Re: IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY OF A PRICE REDUCTION FOR FUTURE BITCOIN on: September 30, 2017, 07:45:22 AM
Bitcoin approved and discovered in the world on 2009 and the first price is $0.

And this the history and bitcoin table when discovered in the world from 2009.[Using USD Rate 2017]
2009 [Discovered] - 1btc = $0  Huh
2010 - 1btc = $0.1 - $0.08  Cry
2011 - 1btc = $0.75  Angry
2012 - 1btc = $9.04  Angry
2013 - 1btc = $301.20  Angry
2014 - 1btc = $753.01  Sad
2015 - 1btc = $451.81  Angry
2016 - 1btc = $828.31  Roll Eyes
2017 - 1btc = $3664.25  Shocked
 
From this list we know bitcoin is not stable , frequently make increase and reduction on price.

Is there a possibility of a decline in the price of the bitcoin future , in doing so we must make a choice better invest a bitcoin or not ?  Shocked

Yes of course, anything is a possibility so the price reduction may occur in the future but if you take a closer look at the prices it still goes up no matter what, it is just that there is a reason why the price of bitcoin goes down in the year of 2014 to 2015 I think you know what happened.

Besides of the issues that bitcoin has faced off in the past it still bounce back and keep moving forward because many people still trust its future and only 3rd parties are the reasons to its fall down and not the bitcoin itself. No such thing is a short cut to the moon, we must embrace the step by step process in able to achieve what we want.
I would like to point out that every movement needs to be counter move, so when we look at the exponential ascending in the years 2012-2013-2014 then come back as a correction in the following year 2015, 2016-2017 same now it is time to make the descending movement which I have been waiting for that for a long time. We should see 3X move, let's wait and see...
498  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin progress in 2017 on: September 26, 2017, 05:14:48 PM
Most people join this year, this is what I understood from my readings, I joined several years ago by 1 btc, at that time it was 600USD, I was very sad to not invest bitcoins at that time now I wish I were rich. Never too late,  still waiting a big drop to invest again. This year it increased a lot like 400% compared to 6-7 months before price level this is incredible. It is like an advertisement when people aware of the gain on this than so many people took effect and so many still waiting the drop to get in to the next station as mean either.
499  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is instant way to get rich ? on: September 26, 2017, 05:09:47 PM
Bitcoin investing can make investors to become a rich in a certain time in the future, if investors spend so many times try to understand the ecosystem from different perspectives.
500  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: In what situation would Bitcoin die? on: September 26, 2017, 04:51:42 PM
How and why would the end of bitcoin (and any other cryptocurrency) occur? Value decrease? Legality issues? Different technology/ideas to supersede it?
For legality issues it is a wide spectrum, I am not totally aware of that we should ask the legal experts but for value wise or different technology wise it is not that easy to die. The reason is still the value is correlated with some how demand and supply and the volume is deep enough to die it might be decrease too lower levels but never be zero I guess, technology wise it is technically possible but not practically, we should wait to see what will happen during the fork, next month.
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