Is there an easy way to get the confirmation code or do I just have to print the insert?

I don't know what the word "encumbered" means in this sense.  We both just verified that we did indeed got the same public address, then I sent funds to that address.  He performed agreed upon service.  Then I sent him the private key for my address (a throwaway created just for that transaction).

I still don't know the private key for the "escrow" address, but the money was moved out of it, so I know he got it.

Edit:  Oh, we used the Key Combiner, not the confirmation thingy.

Edit 2: oohhh I was using an old version.  this confirmation code thing is super awesome.

Edit 3:  Is there a way to get the confirmation code without printing the physical coin insert?  I can't find any other way.

Mike, you're awesome.  I've already used the two factor in your newest utility to do an escrow transaction with somebody.  This is awesome.

Just wanted to spread this around os this guy can get the help he needs asap!...

I am traveling and am in a city in Brazil. My only credit card got cloned. I have bitcoins. How can I use them to get my hands on some fast cash to buy food, etc?

wtf guys!?  understanding the power structure of the world and being practical is one thing, but this is outright cowardice which has detrimental effects on the community

wow i really dislike that boot.  isnt the POINT of bitcoin to put money into PEOPLE'S hands?  unethical laws should not be obeyed, and a primary function of a system like this is to take that control to the people, where it belongs.  if he thinks it'll hurt bitcoin and that it's a bad idea, then discourage it being used that way and have that discussion, but booting him or crying that farsi translation or using sha256 is illegal is completely against the entire PURPOSE of bitcoin.  and in the link he gave, satoshi was clearly speaking purely from a pragmatic perspective.

awesome

This is exactly why this debit card is so awesome.  It allows people to be introduced to bitcoin in a familiar way that shows not only can it be as liquid as USD but also has so many other advantages.  When I get that card, I'm closing (or at least emptying) the little bit of money I keep with my local credit union and using bitcoin and that card to pay for 100% of things.

And NZ apologized to him for violating his rights...

got any 50gb box.net accounts left?

Can you earn money in eve?  I currently play online poker and don't really enjoy it.  I'm not expecting to make similar amount in eve, but I'm interested in the idea of making any money at all through an mmorpg, since I've never played one, ever.  No warcraft, no multi player halo or cod, nothing.  But I'd like to have a separate game with fun graphics to play, and eve looks interesting, and if there's an economy in it that I could work in too, then i might sign up.

oh god when is the debit card coming out i cant wait

send 1.00095 to the address and have them send 1.0 back.  tx for 1 btc or more are generally accepted without fees.

edit:  just send the 0.00095.  it'll go through eventually, it may just take a day or two before it gets in a block.  transaction age is also a consideration for priority, so if you're willing to wait longer before it gets confirmed, just send it.

edit 2: if you're asking because the client won't let you, you need a patched client.  the standard client does that to let you know it won't be accepted, but it really should have a "send anyway" option.

For ~ mtgox last price.  I can just scratch off the back and get the code and send it to you or mail the physical card for an addition 0.3 btc. 

Please PM if interested since I don't check the forums too often but will get an e-mail if I am PM'd.

For ~ mtgox last price.  I can just scratch off the back and get the code and send it to you or mail the physical card for an addition 0.3 btc. 

Please PM if interested since I don't check the forums too often but will get an e-mail if I am PM'd.

I feel like this has a lot of use for p2p poker (potentially).

Thanks everybody for the replies thus far.

Markm, don't at all feel bad for being mean.  I appreciate any advice, and I understand how my post looks.  I am actually teaching myself c++ solely for the purpose of doing this, and if I can solve this ledger/blockchain problem, I am going to publish my "logical" non-programming-language protocol and attempt to start a kickstarter to hire somebody, since I will have shown how it can be done.

Mark H, I like the oracle idea!  That was along the lines of what I was thinking in terms of using random "trusted" nodes as arbitrators in the cases where the players had disagreements about published actions, or if there were disconnects or something similar.

I believe I have the complete play of a poker hand done-- that's not where my problem is.  Running a single game is fine.  What I need is a ledger with pgp wot ratings, current account balances that can't just be arbitrarily updated, who owns shares of a split private key on the network, and other misc information.

Even if I were to just want one game and a blockchain with only the account balance, in order to do that, I'd need to have a blockchain that's comprised of just signed hand histories over and over, which would still get to be too big if people started using it.  That's why I keep trying to find a way to get a ledger that can be updated, not added to like the bitcoin chain, because I beleive the bitcoin model does not scale for the type of thing I'm trying to do.

cunicula, that's also an idea that has floated around that I really really like.  Even if I can't prevent cheating, as long as I can make it too costly to be worth the effort, that's good enough.  Ya, part of my implementation is going to have a small amount of rake fed back into the network to pay for various things like security of that type, or rewarding trusted nodes when they arbitrate-- or if whatever type of blockchain I end up having does need to be "mined", then some rake can go to miners for block rewards.

Again, thanks for all the input guys.  I know I'm asking a lot by not knowing more than I do, but if I can get down a protocol that I think works, I'll learn to code myself damnit!

Yeah, obviously I can't use a blockchain in the bitcoin sense.  As I said in my original post, it does not scale well at all with the amount of data necessary for what I'm trying to accomplish.

As far as your concern about hashing power-- that would never be a problem, the hands would be signed by both parties or trusted nodes used for arbitration.  But no amount of brute force would matter in the type of thing I'm trying to make.

Again, as I said above, I'm trying to make a single ledger that is not added to, but merely changed as time goes on, and I'm trying to find a way to authenticate changes across a distributed network, so that an old node with an old ledger can see what the most recent ledger is, and he can be sure that it is the correct and most up to date ledger.

And the issue with the current open source models is that none of them is made for a peer to peer distributed protocol, and the mental poker protocols aren't implemented yet, and also I want to integrate that protocol with my additions, like the smart contracts and the ledger, and I also want to re-work it a bit to for example, allow arbitration when there are disputes about actions or other things like disconnects or whatever, and other things.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I've got the play of hands down, but I need, among other things, a way to enforce transfer of money, store user data and wot info, etc.

As far as collusion, I'm not trying to stop things that just aren't possible to stop-- that being said, once the project gets off the ground, we can program in various automated flags that would also kick down the WOT rating, as well as allow for anonymous tables or something similar.  But nothing stops two people from calling each other one the phone and saying "hey which table are you at the one with this flop or that flop or that flop"

Like I said, at this point, I'm not concerned with stopping things that PoekrStars has trouble stopping.  I just want a distributed poker option available for the community.

And as you guys have pointed out, the play of hands is either solved or close to being solved, but I still need a way to integrate all the other things necessary for the client, like bitcoins without tons of micro transactions flooding the network, and pgp identities, and so forth.  And I just don't think an ever-increasing blockchain can handle that amount of data assuming it takes off, so I need to find an implementation that will scale.

What do you guys think of my smaller blockchain that records the hashes of each ledger update?

Ok, let me preface this by saying that I am not a programmer, nor do I know advanced math, but I know enough about computers and crypto that I have been in my head trying to logically design a protocol for a peer to peer poker network.

I think I have a good idea of how to do most of it-- there would be a poker pgp WOT, a bunch of secret-shared split poker network private keys, nodes that have high enough WOT trust to arbitrate disputed hands without even actually knowing any of the information (it would rely in part on fully homomorphic encryption), optional rake which goes towards miners and high-trust-level nodes, and many other features and ways to mix all of this together, but one of the main things necessary is a full public ledger which contains things like pgp identities, account balances, automated wot ratings, and other misc necessary info.

Most if not all of this could be automated and based on hand histories and the ledger (aka blockchain) could theoretically be just the clear-signed hand histories or something like that, however that does not at all scale.  If the thing ever got popular, the blockchain would grow to petabytes in order to have the necessary information.

So what I want to do is instead of having it be blockchain-like, instead use a fixed ledger (which can grow with more users) but where the data can actually be altered rather than simply added onto the previous data.  Now I know the ever-growing blockchain was the way satoshi could make bitcoin work, but I feel like it should be possible to do what I want, but I'm not positive of that.

So I'm hoping you guys might have ideas on how a fixed ledger could work.  One idea I have is in addition to the fixed ledger, a smaller blockchain that contains all the hand histories and other updates since the last ledger, as well as a hash or something of the ledger at that point, and then every so often all nodes with the full ledger and blochchain(s) attempt to update and use a logical clock to just let the first guy win, and there's no reward for being first (other than having to wait X time between updates), so the other nodes are happy to accept, and then just whenever the ledger is changed, and the rake from the new hands gets split up evenly among the nodes who have the full ledger.  Additionally, only people with X number of hands and no disputes and high trust ratings could be allowed to receive the reward and only their ledgers would be "official".  This would incentivise trying to avoid accusations of cheating and also running "full"clients (but still allow lite clients).  (And of course each person could still store their own hand histories forever.)

I'm just tossing things around in my head at this point, but I'd really like to try and figure this out.  I know I really don't know enough to be trying this on my own, but I figured it I could logically work out the entire protocol on paper, I might convince somebody to do it or more likely be able to start a kickstarter fund to hire somebody to do it.