Hahaha this is so good




I'm throughly impressed by the sheer quantity of your idiocy son, haha.

Have you ever heard of due diligence?

Who are these employees? I know a lot of people get accused of working for them, haha, but I am yet to see many people actually come out and say they are working for them. As I already said, there are only 3 on LinkedIn.

If they actually are employing 25 people who have solid careers behind them, then yeah, it is a good point. However at this point (as far as I know) all we have is their word that they have 25 employees. Please correct me if I am wrong.

He's probably thinking that if BFL are running a scam then they don't need to hire engineers with reputations that aren't worth losing for a big scam, or even any engineers at all.

If you could name three BFL engineers with reputations so solid that they would have a financial disincentive to take a share in a big scam rather than continue lucrative careers then it would definitely give them a lot more legitimacy.

The only employees I am aware of are the convicted fraudster CEO and Josh, who is so extremely unprofessional it is beyond belief.

Three people on LinkedIn have Butterfly Labs on their profiles. None of them are engineers.

There are a few threads on the forum about it, I'm afraid I don't have time to dig them out but I doubt you will have much trouble finding them. One has links to the actual court records etc.

Basically it was an advance fee fraud where he sent people letters saying they had won a foreign lottery, but they needed to pay an admin fee to have the money released. He deliberately targeted the elderly, believing them to be more vulnerable.

He came on the forums and claimed to be basically running a numbers racket (i.e. an illegal lottery) and claimed that it was perfectly reasonable to run an unregulated, unsupervised lottery and it was just those god damned government regulations that stopped him from making an honest buck by doing so. That would be bad enough but what he was doing was even worse.

He then posted a picture of him with his girlfriend and his new born baby, as if to say "look at me with this little baby, how could I be a bad guy?"

It was one of the most pathetic and insidious things I have ever seen.

This guy is not just "an employee". He is the founder and CEO of the company

Also their CEO is a CONVICTED SCAMMER!

How can people just gloss over that as if it's no big deal?

Your opinion would carry more weight if they weren't holding your money.

There could be any number of reasons why they haven't run with the money. The new pre-orders coming in could exceed the rate of refunds (wouldn't surprise me considering how heavily they still advertise) or they could still be putting together their method for running with the money. You can't just put $5m on a suitcase and get on a plane.

I think that possibly they started off with the intention of running an honest business, but then realized that they are too incompetent to build the product. Then their CEO, who as we all know has no moral objection to scamming (he has a conviction for it, as all the BFL fanboys like to gloss over) decided just to continue taking pre-orders and stalling people until he could hide the cash and get out of the country.

I think that Josh is just as clueless about this as the victims, and genuinely believes that his ugly mangled face works for a "tech start up" when actually he is just a pawn.

Does anyone who doesn't have any skin in the game still believe BFL is for real?

It seems to me that the only people who believe BFL isn't some kind of scam are those with pre-orders, the same way that only those with large investments in BCS&T believed that Pirateat40 was for real towards the end.

BFL adherents, when will you allow yourselves to consider the fact that this is a scam. When the February deadline is missed? Or are you such chumps that you will allow a convicted fraudster to lead you through yet another hoop?

I agree to this, but only if you leave if they don't ship.

Looking at the way things are now, I think anyone with reasonable intelligence could conclude that BFL is probably some kind of scam.

Of course the obvious exception are those with significant pre-orders, who are putting their fingers in their ears and saying "I'm not listening!" They can't afford for it to be a scam, so therefore it must not be one.

And of course anyone who points out the scam warning signs is abused.

It's Pirateat40 all over again, just a different type of scam. The CEO is a convicted fraudster for fucks sake, how dumb do you need to be?

Josh from BFL is such an ugly fucker. IT people in general aren't much to look at, but he has a truly awful face.

Haha wow, put everyone who calls out scams on your ignore list. What a fucking genius.

Deserved to be scammed in my opinion.

Dear LoweryCBS,

Please don't reproduce.

Signed,

Humanity

It could be true, but it isn't. You can tell by his reluctance to reveal details, because without details then his story can't be proven wrong. It's 100% a lie, and it's probably all a lie, everything down to the truck driving. Just some dumbass kid trying to scam money, badly.

Those were the days huh? I had similar business interests back in 2005-2007. Unlike yours though, mine are still making money today. Admittedly not as much, and even less now since Google's panda update.

Why isn't your site still making you money? What was the name of the ad network?


That is bullshit. What industry? Internet marketing? The only reason not to reveal details is because most of the time it is in your own interests to keep them to yourself, but if something isn't making money anymore then there is no reason not to talk about it. It certainly isn't "frowned upon", it's just that most of the time it is counterproductive. But not in this case. Also, at risk of what? You already aren't making any money, so what on earth would you be at risk of?

You talk shit. As someone who has been involved in internet marketing myself. I personally think this story is a complete fabrication.

Don't lend money to this liar.

Haha, wow, such arrogance,

You do need tips. I know you don't think you do, but trust me, you do. You'll find that out soon enough when no cash materializes. Your attitude is absolutely terrible, and you will get nowhere in life acting like this. The fact that you are 25 and you have gotten nowhere in life so far should be some kind of hint that your attitude isn't working. When I was 25 I was in the midst of what was turning into a very successful career, not begging for loans. You know why? Well, probably a lot of reasons, but one of them is that I didn't act like a dick to people who could help me.

By the way, I might have lent you the money. 120 isn't so much for me, in fact it just so happens I'm one of those guys who regularly wins and loses that type of money playing "a silly card game" as you put it. I might have taken a risk on you if you had provided the information I asked for. Obviously now I won't be.


Truly it would.

Good luck with your career and getting the loan. I dare say you will need all the luck you can get, unless you significantly change your attitude.

You have no right to say that to anyone, even Dank. You are the most stupid individual on this forum, and everyone knows that you were stupid enough to "invest" in every scam going.

You certainly don't have much of a brain, so I would say that spare parts is all you are good for too. You only seem to function as a donation mechanism for scammers.

As loathsome as Dank is, if I were you I would just keep my retard mouth closed.

Here are some tips on how to get your loan:

Stop being so vague. You want an education so you can do a job. Which education, which job, where? What is this city you need transport in?

Stop being so anonymous. Give us your real name, passport scans, drivers license scans, proof of address like a utility bill, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, credit reports.

You are asking for a huge fucking loan, anonymously, over the internet, while providing only incredibly vague supporting information.

I don't know whether you are scamming or not, but I do know that it is impossible for anyone to lend you any money while you remain a non-specific ghost.

Also I'm sorry you suck at poker, but you know that guy who now has 10k BTC? He is good at poker. He spent hours and hours learning and playing poker. He probably has a good brain too, but he certainly put the work in. You think the fact that someone won and lost a lot of money at "a silly game of cards" means someone should just hand you over money without even knowing your name? Get real. Maybe I should ask my boss for a raise because Phil Ivey won ten million last year?

You are ready to say "The poker life is not for me" after $50 and zero effort. It sounds like you had some kind of lame idea to become a poker pro because you thought it would be easy. Pretty pathetic. How do I know that if I lend you 120 BTC you won't just give up on whatever that is for too?

Honestly I think it would be hard for anyone to get a loan like that at the moment, even spread among 10 people, but the way you have gone about it has made it impossible for you. My instinct says you might not be a scammer, but you are so far away from credit worthiness it is unreal.

Also Dank it's me that is fucking your ex.

What do you think it is about Bitcoins that attracts people like Dank?