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Question: Would a variable house edge interest you?
Yes, it seems to be a good idea - 8 (80%)
No, this won't attract new users - 2 (20%)
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March 31, 2015, 03:33:18 PM
Last edit: March 31, 2015, 04:44:20 PM by deisik
 #21

You are probably better off just offering the smallest house edge you can live with.

Changing the odds based on how often people bet probably won't work too well because that will encourage people to bet too much, which will probably make them go broke a lot faster than other ideas. You can shear a sheep many times, but you can only eat it once.

I also don't think varying it based on profit is a smart idea either. The profit should always be going up, a counter on the website showing exactly how much money you are winning (aka how much bettors are losing) doesn't seem like the best play. Also, if it updates in real time and the odds change after every bet, you are going to have more people walking away after wins. If I just won 1.99 on a 50% bet and it tells me 1 second later I can only win 1.97 on that bet I'm a lot more likely to stop.

Actually, I appreciate your pains. But try to look at this from a different angle. Say, you are the casino, and today you earned enough to call it a day (no pun), so you have a few options to reward your userbase. The most obvious is to just give away the money. But if you would distribute the surplus evenly to all players, no one will be quite happy, since people are envious. If you endow just the most "valuable" players (whatever you may think by that), others will most certainly feel disadvantaged and miserable (since people would be even more envious). Then you can lower the house edge, or even make it negative for some time, so you give the players more incentive to play further on. And everyone will be happy with you, right?

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March 31, 2015, 03:54:40 PM
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If we talk about changing house edge we must mention coinvegas.com it had a HS from -2% to I think +6% and the average was +2% unfortunately the site is down and I don't know what happened to them.

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March 31, 2015, 04:04:52 PM
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Why negative edge? I would rather giving away money to people directly instead of running a gambling site with negative edge.
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March 31, 2015, 05:07:09 PM
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I guess it really depends on how often the variable changes. And does the change are announced or not.
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April 01, 2015, 07:33:40 AM
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Why negative edge? I would rather giving away money to people directly instead of running a gambling site with negative edge.

I am inclined to think that just giving the money away to people directly wouldn't be the optimal strategy if you aim to attract new users or keep your existing user base. I can show it empirically (through examples), but first would love to hear your substantiated opinion why this wouldn't be the case...

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April 01, 2015, 07:35:17 AM
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Someone here help me to explain what does "House Edge' mean ? I don't know anything about that

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April 01, 2015, 07:38:37 AM
Last edit: April 01, 2015, 09:23:53 AM by deisik
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Someone here help me to explain what does "House Edge' mean ? I don't know anything about that

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Edge means an advantage. Consequently, a house edge means an advantage of the house over their players. For example, when you set odds to 2x and the house edge is 0.5%, you will win only if you roll above 50.5 (in the High game) but not 50 (as the case would be if there was no house edge at all)...

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April 01, 2015, 07:39:27 AM
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Someone here help me to explain what does "House Edge' mean ? I don't know anything about that

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Edge means an advantage. Consequently, house edge means an advantage of the house over their players. For example, when you set odds to 2x but win only if you roll above 50.5 but not 50. Then 50.5-50=0.5 will be a house edge...

yes because the house ( site ) isnt your servant to providethe platform for free, so they charge a small fee in the form of edge.

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April 01, 2015, 07:58:08 AM
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A variable edge could be interesting and an incentive to wager more the moment the edge is at its lowest, the lower the edge the more you are willing to risk. It is a simple supply and demand, the more people bet and lose, the lower the edge can be.

Couldn't a variable or possitive house edge not be based and funded by advertising? I think this could work.

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April 01, 2015, 09:10:08 AM
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Someone here help me to explain what does "House Edge' mean ? I don't know anything about that

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Edge means an advantage. Consequently, house edge means an advantage of the house over their players. For example, when you set odds to 2x but win only if you roll above 50.5 but not 50. Then 50.5-50=0.5 will be a house edge...

yes because the house ( site ) isnt your servant to providethe platform for free, so they charge a small fee in the form of edge.

Wth are you talking about with the fee, the house edge is made to make you lose certainly over the long term, its not a fee its a "trick" casinos have to guarantee they will profit.

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April 01, 2015, 10:06:37 AM
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for sure it will attract more players
math play the biggest part in gambling

but i am sure that's impossible to happen
in best cases the house edge would be Zero
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April 01, 2015, 02:10:23 PM
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Someone here help me to explain what does "House Edge' mean ? I don't know anything about that

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Edge means an advantage. Consequently, house edge means an advantage of the house over their players. For example, when you set odds to 2x but win only if you roll above 50.5 but not 50. Then 50.5-50=0.5 will be a house edge...

yes because the house ( site ) isnt your servant to providethe platform for free, so they charge a small fee in the form of edge.

house edge isnt a fee
at all, this is a different term to use and it is absolutely different, Fee actually will affect each of your game in one site but a house edge will not affect all of your game , but the longer you play, the house edge will actually then affect you

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April 01, 2015, 03:14:13 PM
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Someone here help me to explain what does "House Edge' mean ? I don't know anything about that

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Edge means an advantage. Consequently, house edge means an advantage of the house over their players. For example, when you set odds to 2x but win only if you roll above 50.5 but not 50. Then 50.5-50=0.5 will be a house edge...

yes because the house ( site ) isnt your servant to providethe platform for free, so they charge a small fee in the form of edge.

house edge isnt a fee
at all, this is a different term to use and it is absolutely different, Fee actually will affect each of your game in one site but a house edge will not affect all of your game , but the longer you play, the house edge will actually then affect you

As a matter of fact, house edge affects you on all of your bets.
If there is no house edge, you will win 50% of your bet on 2x, but with 1% edge, you will win just 49.5%. The effect may not be easily noticeable if you just make a small of number of bets, but it is still there.

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April 01, 2015, 03:22:49 PM
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Someone here help me to explain what does "House Edge' mean ? I don't know anything about that

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Edge means an advantage. Consequently, house edge means an advantage of the house over their players. For example, when you set odds to 2x but win only if you roll above 50.5 but not 50. Then 50.5-50=0.5 will be a house edge...

yes because the house ( site ) isnt your servant to providethe platform for free, so they charge a small fee in the form of edge.

house edge isnt a fee
at all, this is a different term to use and it is absolutely different, Fee actually will affect each of your game in one site but a house edge will not affect all of your game , but the longer you play, the house edge will actually then affect you

As a matter of fact, house edge affects you on all of your bets.
If there is no house edge, you will win 50% of your bet on 2x, but with 1% edge, you will win just 49.5%. The effect may not be easily noticeable if you just make a small of number of bets, but it is still there.

you are right, perhaps I miss write it, what I meant is that actually fee actually affect all of your betby taking in some minus to your bet, but a house edge will not always affect your bet in term of taking in some minus to your bet

should been right by now, I needed a better words to actually describe this actually

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April 01, 2015, 03:48:56 PM
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This topic should be considered as a part of a related topic on negative house edge, but since people tend to repeat again and again what has already been discussed in that topic, I thought it would be wiser to start a new one dedicated to this issue only. Since many think the idea of a negative house edge is stillborn, I suggest that the house edge should depend on either the betting speed or house profit...

So, would a variable house edge (probably, from negative to positive) attract new users, and is this idea viable at all?

That would be great and of course it would attract more players, especially people who plan on wage big amounts.

 

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