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November 26, 2012, 10:30:26 PM
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One huge thing that is often overlooked is the fact that if Bitcoin tanks, so does everything associated with Bitcoin. Im willing to take the risk because I believe, and not because there is a single person on this earth who can assure me that Bitcoin will succeed.

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November 27, 2012, 01:19:42 AM
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No, this isn't overlooked. This was addressed hundreds of times when ASICs were first released. There's a reason the mods had to make an entire Mining Speculation subforum.

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November 27, 2012, 01:55:50 AM
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I'm not knocking anyone's opinions, and it's nice to actually see some civil discourse on the subject for once. Smiley  I can certainly understand that frustrations are running high, especially if you pre-ordered early in the summer with the expectation of an October ASIC release, but if you are truly no longer happy with the 'ride' you are being taken on by any of the vendors, then by all means, ask for a refund right now.  In all the bile and vitriol spewed on these forums in the past few months over ASIC's, I've not heard a single person say they have not received a refund from any of the vendors when asked for it.

There's nothing wrong with investors asking the ASIC vendor's what's going on, but the problem is that every single one of them has responded multiple times with the same basic thing, "They'll be done, when they're done."  Yet we see more posts every day of people asking the same thing, when will they be done, why aren't they done already, they must be scammers because they didn't hit their date, etc., etc.  Believe me, I want my ASIC's too right now too.  I'm tired of dealing with the noise/heat of GPU mining, but there's not a thing I can do about it, and if I was truly concerned, I'd ask for a refund.
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November 27, 2012, 03:39:23 AM
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No, this isn't overlooked. This was addressed hundreds of times when ASICs were first released. There's a reason the mods had to make an entire Mining Speculation subforum.

True, it is addressed many times over in those forums. Its seems that thought disappears as soon as someone starts complaining about the profits these companies have supposedly robbed them of. Meatball is right about the fact that all of the companies "selling" asics have honored pretty much all refunds, so why try and harass the "distributors" and cause such a scene when if they really wanted to they could just walk away from it all. If someone plans to mine for coins for years and years then why would it matter if we wait 1 week or 1 month? Everyone else that bought asics are still waiting, no big deal.

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November 27, 2012, 06:06:32 AM
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I dont even understand why we can't see old revisions.  Hey... this is the 6 core hashing at 60 gh/s... just wait till we show you the 8 core!   (In roll the orders...)
If a hashing chip hashes at 60Ghash/s with a clock of 100MHz, there are 60G / 100M = 600 unrolled cores or 600 * 125 = 75000 rolled cores or 300 unrolled cores @ 200 MHz or or or... the total speed, energy consumption and price are all what matters.
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November 27, 2012, 03:07:25 PM
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I can certainly understand that frustrations are running high, especially if you pre-ordered early in the summer with the expectation of an October ASIC release, but if you are truly no longer happy with the 'ride' you are being taken on by any of the vendors, then by all means, ask for a refund right now.

Took your advice and just sent the e-mail asking for a refund for one of my orders.  I have to leave one open because someone already bought it from me... so for his sake, I hope it arrives soon so I can give it to him.
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November 27, 2012, 03:16:05 PM
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This forum needs to adopt a strict policy of closing these threads as duplicates, I'm quite tired of re-reading this same BS every day from a new person (or, more likely, the sockpuppet of one of the previous people).

You're not having an original thought, no one needs to have this discussion again, there is no new information to add to the conversation. Search before you post.
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November 27, 2012, 03:25:18 PM
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You're not having an original thought, no one needs to have this discussion again, there is no new information to add to the conversation.

But there is: BFL has no chips, they don't know when they'll arrive, maybe however within the next two weeks. Big maybe.
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November 27, 2012, 03:40:04 PM
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Re-spin will take ~5 weeks if there's no queue at the fab

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November 27, 2012, 07:11:37 PM
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This forum needs to adopt a strict policy of closing these threads as duplicates, I'm quite tired of re-reading this same BS every day from a new person (or, more likely, the sockpuppet of one of the previous people).

You're not having an original thought, no one needs to have this discussion again, there is no new information to add to the conversation. Search before you post.

To paraphrase Meatball, no one put a gun to your head and made you read this thread. The title was pretty clear in what the content would be, you could simply have chosen not to open it. If a thread is unwanted, no one responds, and it quickly falls off the page.

There's nothing wrong with investors asking the ASIC vendor's what's going on, but the problem is that every single one of them has responded multiple times with the same basic thing, "They'll be done, when they're done."  Yet we see more posts every day of people asking the same thing, when will they be done, why aren't they done already, they must be scammers because they didn't hit their date, etc., etc.  Believe me, I want my ASIC's too right now too.  I'm tired of dealing with the noise/heat of GPU mining, but there's not a thing I can do about it, and if I was truly concerned, I'd ask for a refund.

I would say that the problem isn't that people keep asking and getting the same response, it's that the response is unhelpful. Saying "it will happen when it happens" is basically not a response at all (this applies to all MFGs). The latest incident with BFL is perfect example of why people are repeatedly asking for transparency. They are told "Everything is DONE! Chips are coming in on XX date, and then your stuff is going out!" until they are told "well something or other happened so it'll actually be a lot longer then we said."

If there were a clearer picture into the design window, reasonable estimates of failure, where companies were at in the process, people might not feel so in the dark, and feel so "betrayed" by missed deadlines and whatnot. Don't get me wrong, I always expect the masses to get all bothered by not getting their candy right when they want it, but it'd be a lot less dramatic. If you don't like a billion threads about the same thing, I would certainly see you being in favor of that.
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November 27, 2012, 07:18:09 PM
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Why can not one single company give us something real and concrete to work with?
I want to know exactly how fast the new CPU's from Intel and AMD are that come out in a few months. Where can I find those numbers?



AMD and Intel don't take your money while they're working on the chips. Any established company that takes preorders sets a date and you get what you paid for that day.

a respectable company would not take your money and continue to push back the delivery date.


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