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[DarkStar_]

Even if the IDs are provided, I'm not going to track you down, and hire a lawyer to sue you, so I get my funds back. It's just not worth the time, money and effort, which is why most defaulters get away. There is this guy with over 70BTC+ defaulted total, and his pictures/id are online. He hasn't been sued yet. Also, your remark about how free speech might affect your funding is pretty low. Do politicians have the right to jail people that speak against them, so they will get into office again? Nope. There isn't a lot people can do once you default. Also, why are you using gmail? You would think a company that cares about encryption and security wouldn't use a service that can easily see all your emails, without letting you know. You have a domain.

[ScottishSecurity]

Even if the IDs are provided, I'm not going to track you down, and hire a lawyer to sue you, so I get my funds back. It's just not worth the time, money and effort, which is why most defaulters get away. There is this guy with over 70BTC+ defaulted total, and his pictures/id are online. He hasn't been sued yet. Also, your remark about how free speech might affect your funding is pretty low. Do politicians have the right to jail people that speak against them, so they will get into office again? Nope. There isn't a lot people can do once you default. Also, why are you using gmail? You would think a company that cares about encryption and security wouldn't use a service that can easily see all your emails, without letting you know. You have a domain.

I use gmail for my personal stuff. For our business we use our own private email server. Like I have explained in my previous post.

I think you are mistaken.. I was talking about the fake accustation being posted.  Accusing a company of being a scam or fake when they quite clearly are a legit company trading is not free speech it is a form of slander.

n. oral deformation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another, which untruth will harm the reputation of the person or company defamed. Slander is a civil wrong (tort) and can be the basis for a lawsuit.

Having a opinion about a service is one thing.. Posting on a listing that its a fake company is slander..

To be honest I am not here to fight or get into a massive heated debate about what people think about me or my company.

I have asked BTC jam to confirm the position on defaults as I was unaware there is little recourse for people who are left with nothing after a investment and if that is the case its very low of btcjam not to have something in place to sort this out.. Please see e-mail correspondence.

While I understand now there is some serious issues with people trusting BTC jam I see no reason for a personal attack or just bashing me just for a response.
Further to this Vod posted something that I issued a reply to then he removed it.. Fair? i think not..

Like I said.. i am happy to speak with anyone be it email or on the phone about investment and rest assured we are fully verified and have a growing company that could be held liable if anything was to go wrong.

While we were looking to keep in the bitcoin community and build some trust up and use BTC jam instead of the "horrible" highstreet bank. after seeing the reaction here I think next time we will stick to the high street bank where we don't need to try defend out standing and they can "verify" us without having to post everything about ourselves in the public domain.

We have posted our domain also.. I think you have skipped thru this topic and posted the same questions that have already been answered.

Thanks again..
Scottish Security

[Vod]

Posting on a listing that its a fake company is slander..

No, it's not.  You clearly know nothing about the law.

Are you really A+ certified, Network+ Certified, Security+ Certified, Microsoft Certified and an Ethical Hacker, like your one page says?   

[DarkStar_]

Also note to you.. We have a turnover ove over 25k in BTC last 2 months...

You can check up here.

https://blockchain.info/address/1MN7wvht7dWDFBgCepX1PUMtyj1CTigtJR

This is out BTC jam address.  This is where funding will be send and paid back from..... and I will sign a message...Just for you VOD

25k in BTC received is easy. Send all your BTC to an exchange, send it back, and repeat. Before you know it, you will have millions of bitcoin received! Also, if you use gmail for your personal stuff, then why is it a business name? Doesn't make sense.

Posting on a listing that its a fake company is slander..

No, it's not.  You clearly know nothing about the law.

Are you really A+ certified, Network+ Certified, Security+ Certified, Microsoft Certified and an Ethical Hacker, like your one page says?   

I would like to know this too. Please create a transcript and share it with me. Send it to thedarkstar [at] protonmail.com

Create a Transcript

Log in to your CompTIA certification account and click on the Transcripts tab. Then click the Create New Transcript link to begin the process. Select the desired options and certification(s) you wish to include and provide the recipient email address. See the Create a Transcript page for full details.

Also, PM me your Transcript ID and access code for your microsoft certification so I can verify that your certificates are legit. Not sure how you do the ethical hacker verification though.

[ScottishSecurity]

Also note to you.. We have a turnover ove over 25k in BTC last 2 months...

You can check up here.

https://blockchain.info/address/1MN7wvht7dWDFBgCepX1PUMtyj1CTigtJR

This is out BTC jam address.  This is where funding will be send and paid back from..... and I will sign a message...Just for you VOD

25k in BTC received is easy. Send all your BTC to an exchange, send it back, and repeat. Before you know it, you will have millions of bitcoin received! Also, if you use gmail for your personal stuff, then why is it a business name? Doesn't make sense.

Posting on a listing that its a fake company is slander..

No, it's not.  You clearly know nothing about the law.

Are you really A+ certified, Network+ Certified, Security+ Certified, Microsoft Certified and an Ethical Hacker, like your one page says?  

I would like to know this too. Please create a transcript and share it with me. Send it to thedarkstar [at] protonmail.com

Create a Transcript

Log in to your CompTIA certification account and click on the Transcripts tab. Then click the Create New Transcript link to begin the process. Select the desired options and certification(s) you wish to include and provide the recipient email address. See the Create a Transcript page for full details.

Also, PM me your Transcript ID and access code for your microsoft certification so I can verify that your certificates are legit. Not sure how you do the ethical hacker verification though.

All the certifiaction on the site are held by members of staff here at the company. Some are offsec some TIA some microsoft. I do not have access to there personal login's for TIA but I will on monday morning make them aware that there has been a request for a transcript of there accounts and take it from there.

Ethical hacker certifiaction can be done here https://aspen.eccouncil.org/verify.aspx

https://www.eccouncil.org/Certification/certified-ethical-hacker

And on monday I can submit you the relevent info to check this once I have spoken with the staff members who hold the qualification..

[ScottishSecurity]

Posting on a listing that its a fake company is slander..

No, it's not.  You clearly know nothing about the law.

Are you really A+ certified, Network+ Certified, Security+ Certified, Microsoft Certified and an Ethical Hacker, like your one page says?   

Yes it is.. And you clearly know nothing about law either.

I have just got off the phone to my legal council over at http://www.beltramiandcompany.co.uk
A highly respected law firm here in Scotland.

They have advised me that liable is a course of action that could be raised as.

you must prove the written statement was:

    a.False  (Done)
    b.Harmed your reputation, and thereby your business    (Harming reputation to obtain funding)
    c.Published to at least one other person (it's online 1000's of eyes will see this)
    d.About you specifically (well its not aimed at Donald trump is it)

Slander Does Not Need Actual Harm

You don't have to prove actual harm to your reputation to collect damages for slander if someone says something untrue about you that:

  a.  Affects your business, trade or profession  (Done)
  b.  Implies you committed a crime (you are implying we are attempting fraud)


So from our point of view and that of our legal council legal action is highly possible.

And before you say "its Sunday how did u speak to your legal team" I have a direct mobile number for them.

Just covering all basis...

[Vod]

Posting on a listing that its a fake company is slander..

No, it's not.  You clearly know nothing about the law.

Are you really A+ certified, Network+ Certified, Security+ Certified, Microsoft Certified and an Ethical Hacker, like your one page says?  

Yes it is.. And you clearly know nothing about law either.

I have just got off the phone to my legal council over at http://www.beltramiandcompany.co.uk
A highly respected law firm here in Scotland.

They have advised me that liable is a course of action that could be raised as.

you must prove the written statement was:

    a.False  (Done)
    b.Harmed your reputation, and thereby your business    (Harming reputation to obtain funding)
    c.Published to at least one other person (it's online 1000's of eyes will see this)
    d.About you specifically (well its not aimed at Donald trump is it)

Slander Does Not Need Actual Harm

You don't have to prove actual harm to your reputation to collect damages for slander if someone says something untrue about you that:

  a.  Affects your business, trade or profession  (Done)
  b.  Implies you committed a crime (you are implying we are attempting fraud)


So from our point of view and that of our legal council legal action is highly possible.

And before you say "its Sunday how did u speak to your legal team" I have a direct mobile number for them.

Just covering all basis...

That would be covering all bases, Mr. Pretend Lawyer.  

I'm glad your real lawyer knew the difference between SLANDER and LIBEL.   I'm glad you have the money to pay weekend rates on your "highly respected (aka expensive) law firm" while still looking for a loan for another "server".

I think we've proven beyond a reasonable doubt an investment with you is a risk.  Nothing more can be accomplished here.

[Quickseller]

Accusing a company of being a scam or fake when they quite clearly are a legit company trading is not free speech it is a form of slander.

No, you are wrong. Anyone is able to express their opinion of your business. (also it is not clear that  your company is "legit", in fact this is far from true).

In order for something to be slander (or libel), it will need to be presented as a fact, not as an opinion. In other words, someone would need to say that your business is a scam, verses someone saying that they think your business is a scam. The statement that is presented as a fact will also need to be untrue.

As a general rule, people on these forums are not able to get a loan without collateral if they do not have existing substantial reputation. Your trust profile does not reflect any existing reputation and as a result I don't think you will be able to get your loan, in fact I am surprised that you were able to get the funding that you have received so far. It is also not uncommon for users to be labeled as a scammer if they ask for a no collateral loan without existing reputation.

Vod has given you numerous opportunities to legitimize your loan request by asking for evidence of the need for your loan, however you have evaded very question that he has presented to you. His questions (so far) do not even begin to break the surface as to what a smart lender would ask a potential borrower in your situation. Do you think a bank would just give you a loan with no questions asked after they verify your identity?

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Code:

h[url=http://ttps://btcjam.com/listings/62949-infrastructure-upgrade-]ttps://btcjam.com/listings/62949-infrastructure-upgrade-[/url]

The above is the BB code for the link to your loan listing that you included in your OP. What kind of security company cannot even get a URL right

[ScottishSecurity]

Accusing a company of being a scam or fake when they quite clearly are a legit company trading is not free speech it is a form of slander.

No, you are wrong. Anyone is able to express their opinion of your business. (also it is not clear that  your company is "legit", in fact this is far from true).

In order for something to be slander (or libel), it will need to be presented as a fact, not as an opinion. In other words, someone would need to say that your business is a scam, verses someone saying that they think your business is a scam. The statement that is presented as a fact will also need to be untrue.

As a general rule, people on these forums are not able to get a loan without collateral if they do not have existing substantial reputation. Your trust profile does not reflect any existing reputation and as a result I don't think you will be able to get your loan, in fact I am surprised that you were able to get the funding that you have received so far. It is also not uncommon for users to be labeled as a scammer if they ask for a no collateral loan without existing reputation.

Vod has given you numerous opportunities to legitimize your loan request by asking for evidence of the need for your loan, however you have evaded very question that he has presented to you. His questions (so far) do not even begin to break the surface as to what a smart lender would ask a potential borrower in your situation. Do you think a bank would just give you a loan with no questions asked after they verify your identity?

edit:

Code:

h[url=http://ttps://btcjam.com/listings/62949-infrastructure-upgrade-]ttps://btcjam.com/listings/62949-infrastructure-upgrade-[/url]

The above is the BB code for the link to your loan listing that you included in your OP. What kind of security company cannot even get a URL right

Hi quicksilver!

And thanks for pointing that out but Ill stick with my legal team's view on the situation over someone "expressing" there view on the subject.

I have made it clear that we require to buy some new comms equipment and further storage for our company.

Here is a breakdown of what we are looking to buy.

Dell SonicWALL NSA 250M - Price  £980 + Inc Vat + Inc Shipping.. (For our office)
Dell PowerEdge T20 - Xeon E3-1225V3 3.2 GHz - Price  £432.90 Inc Vat + £4.99 Delivery
HP MSM460 - Price £390 Inc Vat + £1.99 Delivery (for out back office)

Total -  £1809.88 GBP

You will see have applied for BTC4.9867  = 2,374 GBP (as of 10.54AM 26.06.16)

BTC jam will take there fee from this and we will have to pay our exchange there fee to convert to fiat.

So we should be left with just around the £2000 GBP mark.. Not $4000 USD as posted by VOD..

I wish we were in USA and were dealing in USA after brexit things are looking rockey with the GBP at the moment.

You say he has give me numerous opportunities to legitimize the loan? Do you care to point these out to me? I posted out SC company number that can be checked, I also have answered every question put to me in detail..  He never once asked what we were planning on buying? If he did please correct me..

There are no question that he has put to me that I have not given a indepth answer to..

It's no issue.. I am not really too keen on this forum now after the hostile attitude presented by some here. and after looking at his previous comments it seems he has a serious attitude issue with "new" members here... I also can see that every time there is a new member here posting something they also face the same kind of accusations.

Since I've been here I have outed a good number of scammers.. as evidenced here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1456217.msg14721543#msg14721543

It seems that people just see Jr member and assume the worst, and I can understand that having spent some time here and seen the scams unfold and people lose money time and time again..

If people spoke to us in a respectable manner and asked questions without poking or leaving snide comments then I have no issue with talking to anyone about my business. but when people right out the bat are hostile and quite horrible towards us then why should we take the time to speak to you when its clear 1. you are not going to invest and 2. had no intention of doing so.. and 3. Trying to troll the topic..

Thanks guys,

Scottish Security

[ScottishSecurity]

Posting on a listing that its a fake company is slander..

No, it's not.  You clearly know nothing about the law.

Are you really A+ certified, Network+ Certified, Security+ Certified, Microsoft Certified and an Ethical Hacker, like your one page says?  

Yes it is.. And you clearly know nothing about law either.

I have just got off the phone to my legal council over at http://www.beltramiandcompany.co.uk
A highly respected law firm here in Scotland.

They have advised me that liable is a course of action that could be raised as.

you must prove the written statement was:

    a.False  (Done)
    b.Harmed your reputation, and thereby your business    (Harming reputation to obtain funding)
    c.Published to at least one other person (it's online 1000's of eyes will see this)
    d.About you specifically (well its not aimed at Donald trump is it)

Slander Does Not Need Actual Harm

You don't have to prove actual harm to your reputation to collect damages for slander if someone says something untrue about you that:

  a.  Affects your business, trade or profession  (Done)
  b.  Implies you committed a crime (you are implying we are attempting fraud)


So from our point of view and that of our legal council legal action is highly possible.

And before you say "its Sunday how did u speak to your legal team" I have a direct mobile number for them.

Just covering all basis...

That would be covering all bases, Mr. Pretend Lawyer.  

I'm glad your real lawyer knew the difference between SLANDER and LIBEL.   I'm glad you have the money to pay weekend rates on your "highly respected (aka expensive) law firm" while still looking for a loan for another "server".

I think we've proven beyond a reasonable doubt an investment with you is a risk.  Nothing more can be accomplished here.

Legal advice cost nothing.. Especially when we are good clients and have pointed many customers in there direction over the past few years.
This is the legal firm that draws up our contracts for out clients. So they make good money from us every few weeks so I doubt they are going to send me a bill for a 15 min conversation on the telephone.

This is what I am talking about.. You are attempting to discredit me with no proof.  We were planning on going to the bank for the loan or take the equipment out on HP but we thought we would stick to the BTC community because we believe in it and want to support it..

Why should we support the banks who have wiped millions off the pension pots of there workers in the last 5 years..
Why should we support the banks when they have lost millions of customers money (investing or not)
Why should we support the banks whey they had to use OUR tax payer money to bail them out!

This is another reason we love crypto and want to support it.

I now understand from speaking with BTC jam that they do have a serious issue with there platform and I am awaiting there response to my email about how they are planning to fix this issue and make the platform more trusting.

But you can't just tar everyone with the same brush because you have had a bad experience in the past..

Thanks

Scottish Security

[Quickseller]

Hi quicksilver!

First of all, if I was in need of some kind of "security" services, if they cannot even get my name right, then I would not listen to any kind of proposal that they have for me. 

And thanks for pointing that out but Ill stick with my legal team's view on the situation over someone "expressing" there view on the subject.

Legal advice cost nothing

For some reason I doubt that you have a team of lawyers working for free (insert lawyer joke here).

I have made it clear that we require to buy some new comms equipment and further storage for our company.

Yes you did, however you did not make clear why you need this equipment, with supporting documentation. And no, showing your equipment running at capacity is not going to backup that you need this equipment. If I claimed to be in the business of selling widgets, and was attempting to get a loan from the bank in order to buy a second warehouse, then the bank will not ask to see a picture of a nearly full warehouse, the bank will want to see sales figures that demonstrate the need for a second warehouse as well as documentation that my online and/or physical presence (eg my store) reasonably would support those sales figures.

You will see have applied for BTC4.9867  = 2,374 GBP (as of 10.54AM 26.06.16)

--snip--

So we should be left with just around the £2000 GBP mark.. Not $4000 USD as posted by VOD..

You would be left with roughly $3,300 as of when Vod posted his $4,000 figure, although his figure is technically off by a little, bit the difference is not really meaningful, and the point still remains.

I posted out SC company number that can be checked

I am fairly certain that this is useless.

You say he has give me numerous opportunities to legitimize the loan? Do you care to point these out to me?

What is your hosting URL so we can verify you do your own hosting?

We do not host websites..

OK... provide the operational IP of your backend so we can verify your story.

I won't be posting any IP address

There are no question that he has put to me that I have not given a indepth answer to..

I disagree

[Quickseller]

You can check up here.

https://blockchain.info/address/1MN7wvht7dWDFBgCepX1PUMtyj1CTigtJR

This is out BTC jam address.  This is where funding will be send and paid back from..... and I will sign a message...Just for you VOD

LOL. You have been sending money back and fourth to/from NitrogeanSports. You are either gambling with your revenue or you are moving BTC back and fourth to make it look like you are receiving more BTC then you really are.

According to your above post, your website is http://www.scottishsecurity.net/ and that website claims to do the same kind of work that you are claiming to do.

With that being said, why exactly do you have a website advertising your services that does not give visitors a way to contact you? Also why is there is YouTube music video on a website of a security company?

[Vod]

You get 'em QuickSilver!   

[ScottishSecurity]

You can check up here.

https://blockchain.info/address/1MN7wvht7dWDFBgCepX1PUMtyj1CTigtJR

This is out BTC jam address.  This is where funding will be send and paid back from..... and I will sign a message...Just for you VOD

LOL. You have been sending money back and fourth to/from NitrogeanSports. You are either gambling with your revenue or you are moving BTC back and fourth to make it look like you are receiving more BTC then you really are.

According to your above post, your website is http://www.scottishsecurity.net/ and that website claims to do the same kind of work that you are claiming to do.

With that being said, why exactly do you have a website advertising your services that does not give visitors a way to contact you? Also why is there is YouTube music video on a website of a security company?

I do use Nitrogen yes. But thats personal funds only and I like to move money all in then all out. As I never really know how much Ill put down.

The video on the website is the offsec security video.. hence we have offsec OSEE, OSWP, and OSEE certified staff members we though the catchy video and music was rather fitting to our services. You should have a full watch..

The listing is now offline. Have no issue contacting our bank for the loan.. We don't think being dragged under a bus like this online will do our name any good so we closed out and move on.. Its a shame crypto has such a bad reputation these days for scam's and genuine projects trying to get off the ground and build reputation have such a hard time.

Thanks


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