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I'm not talking about the current increase in fees due to the recent congestion. But I'm still utterly curious where you got this idea from (that I meant this rise in fees)
The thing is you seem to rarely know what you're talking about, you post your brainfarts at random and when you're called on that, you'd just beat around the bush and try to somehow justify it, or go with "that's not what I meant" or "(I posted complete nonsense) because I couldn't find a better term".
Your utterly curious how people bidding with fees on the limited block space are causing increase in fees? If that's not self-explanatory to you, I can't do nothing for you.
Edit: shortly saying: fees in btc terms are not fixed, they're flexible.
But I don't deny that. ...
You don't? Than what's this?:
I mean if Bitcoin price increases, so do the fees in fiat terms, while they obviously remain the same in bitcoins. ...
Flexible or 'remain the same'? Which one is it?
Though this still in no way undermines the simple math that says that when Bitcoin cost 100 dollars (or 200 dollars) the fees in fiat terms were substantially less than they are now when Bitcoin costs 700 dollars, even if we don't take into account the transaction jam as of late. I don't really see any sense in challenging this point. ...
In case you failed to notice, for a good couple of years we had a 'default' fee of 0.0001 for the first 1000 bytes. Yes, if it wasn't manually adjusted, it would rise/fall (in USD terms) according to the price, but since it was always a trivial amount of few cents, rarely anyone cared. That's in no way an indication that people would be happy to pay significantly higher fees, just because it's 'default'. They'd either change it manually or use different wallet (with lower 'default').
Now things changed and most wallets would use flexible fees. As I already pointed out to you, you can find examples of standard fees (in USD) being lower when BTC was in $1,000 zone, then they are now when BTC is in $700. Similary, in the 'off-peak' (with BTC at $700) you could pay lower fee, then when BTC was at $500 or $600.
But that's irrelevant anyway, let's circle back to your original claim, from which you're trying to escape:
...You can't raise the Bitcoin price without raising the fees at the same time and in the same fiat terms (say, dollars). If Bitcoin continues to climb the price mountain (what we all hope for), we will see a lot of other applications falling off dead till the time when even regular payments become too expensive to be made directly in bitcoins themselves
Can you provide short, on-topic explanation of what will prevent free market from keeping fees affordable? The only sensible answer you can give, to sound somewhat coherent, is that full blocks will enforce higher fees, but (according to yourself) that's not what you're talking about.
And if "fees are now higher than when BTC was at $200, therefore they'll always rise with the price" is all you got, then don't bother - I'm not interested in 'artificial discussion' with the main goal being that of increasing your post count.
