most libertarian US states?

[Anonymous]

What are the most libertarian countries?

Hong Kong, Singapore, Switzerland, The US and Iceland.

[kylesaisgone]

Sadly, Hong Kong is getting pulled into the mob tyranny otherwise known as social democracy. They just recently passed a minimum wage law.



Once things start getting *really* bad in the US, I envision myself moving to Singapore. Most kids there are taught English in school to remain competitive, and while there are some downsides, it's pretty libertarian. Hong Kong is nice and all, but it's inevitable before PRC seeks to diminish the sovereignty to Hong Kong.

[speeder]

I took a look at Singapore.

It is rather... interesting.

In one hand the state is very strong, drugs are forbidden, as are guns, and some modes of public expression (large public gatherings for example are forbidden without asking permission first, also using any method of putting your message on a public wall is also forbidden, being considered vandalism).

Yet, 95% of the population like the current government, it is very efficient, low pollution, low crime, low social problems, seemly low taxes...


Although here in Brazil I do want a gun, if I ever go to Singapore, I would not bother unless I decided to buy a ship (Singaporean waters are ridden with pirates, even with heavy navy presence including of other countries trying to get rid of them).

The only major problem in Singapore is not a political one: Price of the land. (related to the high population density)

[kylesaisgone]

Yea, Singapore isn't perfect, but that's kind of a universal trait in the East. Asian culture usually maintains a high reverence for authority, and Singapore is no different. It has a largely 'free' economy, and the cultural authoritarianism is sort of an afterthought and not oppresive like it would be in the US or Europe. The East is quite different from the West in this sense.

[speeder]

I am seriously thinking in going to Singapore (permanently).

My only concern is the possibility of living in a boat there (is cheaper than housing, but seemly you need a permanent address and there like I mentioned, pirates... and Singapore usually does not welcome guns, although seemly is possible to convince them to give you a permit).


I thought before of going to other places, but they are so non-free that not even going there is not much allowed (ie: Canada for example you need some specific degrees or be married and have underage kids. Japan need a japanese spouse or a job, and if you lose any of them, you are kicked out and lose possession of whatever you left in Japan, including children in case of divorce, and this pattern repeats in most reasonable countries... the countries easy to get in are usually the ones that noone want to get in).

[Mageant]

What are the most libertarian countries?

Hong Kong, Singapore, Switzerland, The US and Iceland.

Actually, I think it's Somalia (because it's mostly non-existant).

[speeder]

What are the most libertarian countries?

Hong Kong, Singapore, Switzerland, The US and Iceland.

Actually, I think it's Somalia (because it's mostly non-existant).

Libertarian is different from non-existant.

And Somalia has 3 nations on it, one of the reasons Somalia is a failed state, is the UN trying to enforce it to remain united as a single nation, when it is not.

It has Somaliland (the closest thing to a country there), Xeer (true anarchism, very interesting... take a look on them) and Islamists (that currently control the UN-sanctioned capital, a fact that is not really relevant to Somaliland or Xeer).

[Mageant]

Xeer (true anarchism, very interesting... take a look on them)

Quite interesting, thank you.

[fellowtraveler]

The most Libertarian state is California.

Weed and gay marriage are both legal, and you can get an abortion on every streetcorner.

[speeder]

The most Libertarian state is California.

Weed and gay marriage are both legal, and you can get an abortion on every streetcorner.

That is libertine, not necessarily libertarian.

All of those are forbidden in Singapore, and I think Singapore is much more free than California

[LastBattle]

I have heard of a handful of Libertarians packing up their possessions, selling non-essentials, and moving to semi-stable African countries like Nigeria, whereupon they use their money to buy some land, some guards, and live without much government interference. A regular, say, American could live very well in such countries assuming he didn't get sick or attacked.

[speeder]

The problem is if you get sick you are screwed.

I thought once of doing that, but would require moving lots of people (not only me) to create a colony of sorts, and at least one of them must be a excellent medic.