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November 14, 2013, 11:13:42 PM
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Having arrived home I weighed the shipment.  It comes to 4.02 oz.  I don't see how an overweight/insufficient postage situation could have occurred.  The USPS Priority shipping rates seems to go in 8 oz increments.  USPS Priority being the shipping method I requested.

When you do get them, I'd like them shipped with tracking and insurance (USPS Priority) to my xxxxxxxxxxxx address:

<shipping address was given here>


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November 15, 2013, 11:20:17 AM
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Hey,

Today, after much persistence with BFL, they have still refused to give a refund and sent me the chips regardless. I have them in my posession as of this evening and will be sending them to their proper recipients on Monday. I apologize for this mishaps, but it is nothing I could have prevented. The chips will be out of my hands Monday and this will be over.

I am never going to order from BFL again, unless they can ship the same day I pay. That is a lesson most of us have learned the hard way with BFL.

No... never. Learn the lesson and pass it on. DO NOT BUY FROM BFL.

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November 15, 2013, 05:11:24 PM
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So Garr255, do you have anything to say for yourself?  It's been a while since you posted.

I'm still waiting to receive the requested information.

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November 16, 2013, 12:38:52 AM
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So Garr255, do you have anything to say for yourself?  It's been a while since you posted.

I'm still waiting to receive the requested information.

I spoke with Lloyd Miller today, and explained to him the situation with BFL. I have emailed and called BFL asking for the shipping label number so I can prove that they shipped when they did. Lloyd told me that the producer of the PCBs he wants to use will only do a production run if he gets 300+ chips together, and not many people bought these chips so he is having trouble arranging it.

I am going to keep pushing BFL to send more chips as compensation for the late delivery.

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November 16, 2013, 01:48:29 AM
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So Garr255, do you have anything to say for yourself?  It's been a while since you posted.

I'm still waiting to receive the requested information.

I spoke with Lloyd Miller today, and explained to him the situation with BFL. I have emailed and called BFL asking for the shipping label number so I can prove that they shipped when they did. Lloyd told me that the producer of the PCBs he wants to use will only do a production run if he gets 300+ chips together, and not many people bought these chips so he is having trouble arranging it.

I am going to keep pushing BFL to send more chips as compensation for the late delivery.

Please re-read the information I am requesting.

I got a tracking # from BFL a few weeks ago but have not received anything yet. I will call them tomorrow and post back here when I have info.
^ I want that tracking number.

Today, after much persistence with BFL, they have still refused to give a refund and sent me the chips regardless. I have them in my posession as of this evening
^ The tracking number from that shipment.  It should be printed on the shipping label that was affixed to the box of chips you received.

I have been out of the country and the chips have been sent and the tracking numbers have been emailed to the email address you used to place the orders!
^ And that one.

I also want a screenshot of the BFL order page showing the chip order, the shipment date if shown, and any notes, tracking information, or other details shown.
^ And also that screenshot.

Why is it that you cannot produce these 4 items?

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November 16, 2013, 05:23:54 AM
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I would really like to see all of the shipping information too.

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November 16, 2013, 07:51:43 PM
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I talked with Mr Teal and he said he would need about 1000 BFL chips to run a third batch of Chilis.

Garr has 100 chips
This group buy is another 100 chips

Unless Garr can get BFL to send us another 200 chips to compensate for the delayed shipping then I don't think we can get anything done with our chips. We will still need to post on the Chili thread to try and round up the other 60% of chips

Anyone have any other suggestions?

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November 16, 2013, 08:42:41 PM
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So Garr255, do you have anything to say for yourself?  It's been a while since you posted.

I'm still waiting to receive the requested information.

I spoke with Lloyd Miller today, and explained to him the situation with BFL. I have emailed and called BFL asking for the shipping label number so I can prove that they shipped when they did. Lloyd told me that the producer of the PCBs he wants to use will only do a production run if he gets 300+ chips together, and not many people bought these chips so he is having trouble arranging it.

I am going to keep pushing BFL to send more chips as compensation for the late delivery.
Please re-read the information I am requesting.
I got a tracking # from BFL a few weeks ago but have not received anything yet. I will call them tomorrow and post back here when I have info.
^ I want that tracking number.
I called BFL asking for both tracking numbers from these shipments this morning, I expect they'll get back to me Monday with them.

Today, after much persistence with BFL, they have still refused to give a refund and sent me the chips regardless. I have them in my posession as of this evening
^ The tracking number from that shipment.  It should be printed on the shipping label that was affixed to the box of chips you received.
I never got a tracking number for this shipment, they just showed up without notice and I did not record it from the box. (Do you usually record tracking numbers of received items? I don't, and I apologize if that's something you expected.)

I have been out of the country and the chips have been sent and the tracking numbers have been emailed to the email address you used to place the orders!
^ And that one.
9407 4036 9930 0005 5877 80

I also want a screenshot of the BFL order page showing the chip order, the shipment date if shown, and any notes, tracking information, or other details shown.
^ And also that screenshot.
I cannot get to the "order details" page, BFL's site just redirects me to the list of orders when I try to click on the link for the details for any one of them. BFL will be able to confirm this because it is their website after all.

Please keep in mind, I have done my job as per it's description and have resent you the chips in a timely manner after I received them. BFL is aware that you are the recipient of the order and you can do your best to get a refund from them. I actually lost money when selling you those chips, for ~$45 each was it at the current exchange rate at the time?

I will be here to help you figure this situation out, but do not feel that I am obliged to aid you in seeking compensation from BFL's late delivery, so please stop treating the situation as if that is so.

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November 16, 2013, 10:03:07 PM
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I got a tracking # from BFL a few weeks ago but have not received anything yet. I will call them tomorrow and post back here when I have info.
^ I want that tracking number.
I called BFL asking for both tracking numbers from these shipments this morning, I expect they'll get back to me Monday with them.

You said you received that tracking number well over a month ago.  How is it that you no longer have it?

I can go into my email right now and find the tracking numbers for my shipments from BFL.  They sent me a "Your order has been shipped!" email each time with the tracking number in it.


Today, after much persistence with BFL, they have still refused to give a refund and sent me the chips regardless. I have them in my posession as of this evening
^ The tracking number from that shipment.  It should be printed on the shipping label that was affixed to the box of chips you received.
I never got a tracking number for this shipment, they just showed up without notice and I did not record it from the box. (Do you usually record tracking numbers of received items? I don't, and I apologize if that's something you expected.)

I would have kept the box myself, knowing how things were in dispute like this.


I have been out of the country and the chips have been sent and the tracking numbers have been emailed to the email address you used to place the orders!
^ And that one.
9407 4036 9930 0005 5877 80

That just shows that a label was generated.  The service type, date, and features do match what I would expect.

I still don't understand how an overweight/underpayment situation could have happened given that Priority Mail costs appear to go up in 8 oz increments, and the shipment was 4.02 oz, with the label being electronically generated and paid.


I also want a screenshot of the BFL order page showing the chip order, the shipment date if shown, and any notes, tracking information, or other details shown.
^ And also that screenshot.
I cannot get to the "order details" page, BFL's site just redirects me to the list of orders when I try to click on the link for the details for any one of them. BFL will be able to confirm this because it is their website after all.

Indeed, the BFL website is also broken for me in this way at the moment.


Please keep in mind, I have done my job as per it's description and have resent you the chips in a timely manner after I received them. BFL is aware that you are the recipient of the order and you can do your best to get a refund from them. I actually lost money when selling you those chips, for ~$45 each was it at the current exchange rate at the time?

I will be here to help you figure this situation out, but do not feel that I am obliged to aid you in seeking compensation from BFL's late delivery, so please stop treating the situation as if that is so.

I don't feel like you did your job well.  You let the situation sit for "a few weeks" and did nothing to fix it, you say because you were afraid of Josh.  You also did not inform us participants of this until after the fact.

As for selling the chips at a loss, I can go to http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/ and look up the exchange rate at the time of the BTC-denominated purchase of 55 chips, which was on 04-September-2013 20:58.  The mtgox price looks to be around $135, and the btc-e price about $118.  Having paid 27 BTC for 55 chips, that would be $66.27 or $57.92 per chip.

I don't think we're going to be able to agree on a settlement on our own.  I propose again that we ask John K. if he will judge the matter for us for a fee, and agree to abide by his decision if he agrees to perform the service.

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November 17, 2013, 04:27:30 AM
Last edit: November 17, 2013, 05:28:15 AM by Bogart
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Well, I'm gonna stop arguing the matter.  Right or wrong it's not worth the ugly feeling I get from it.  I've accepted that I'm stuck with the chips.

I've started a thread to try to find a use for them:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=336300.0

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November 17, 2013, 04:17:04 PM
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Garr also did not pay the other half of the chips till mid September, which BTC had moved up a bit.

I only want justified compensation. I do think Garr dropped the ball on the group buy, though that doesn't "entitle" us to compensation, but if Garr keeps a profit, or hedges his personal losses on customer money when he did not pursue getting the late chips delivered. The usefulness of these chips is uncertain at best, a total loss at the worst.

Unfortunately Garr is the only one in this group buy that has the shipment facts.

If Garr is willing to post all of the facts concerning the Group Buy, I would be appreciative.

This entire ordeal hasn't gone as smoothly as any of us would have liked, especially with BFL being so late on delivery and then a number of my first batch of reshipment being sent back for insufficient postage, which is entirely my fault for not properly compensating for weight of the packages. Bogart and Lloydmiler4 are the two participants that were effected by this and I will offer you each the equivalent BTC of 2 weeks of output for the hashrate you purchased from me, this overcompensated for the downtime cause by my delay. I apologize for not resolving this issue sooner, I have been out of the country and unable to see that this was done properly so I hope you can forgive me for this.

Best,
Garrett

If all I can get is some hashrate compensation, then I guess that is better than nothing.

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November 17, 2013, 10:24:32 PM
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eBay BFL 8 chip buyitnow
$35.88 per chip, you would need to get all 8 + $8 shipping.

Or, eBay BFL 1 chip buyitnow
$37 per chip, + $5 shipping.

From what I've seen on the forum - chips are probably binned - 15 or 16 engines per chip.

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November 26, 2013, 09:07:18 PM
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FYI:

If anyone is interested I'm now also reordering boards and if someone would like to have there chips mounted contact me ASAP. Boards will not be made in big batches so no need to wait for me to announce next batch. As long as 6+ boards to make I will do it... I plan to reorder 50 additional boards but to get the idea how many are needed some feedback would be nice...

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