Are you embarrassed to post in the ivory tower?

[Jet Cash]

I don't know whether this is good news or bad news. The domain that I mentioned in one of the threads in the Ivory Tower (RMG blockchain.com ) has just been listed on Sedo by some front-running scammer. The name is not for sale anywhere, so nobody has the right to take money for it. It shows that the threads there are being read, and people are acting on the information in the posts.

[ibminer]

I think he's more than aware of the issue with spam here and you'd have to be blind or have your head in the sand not to see that. I think he takes it seriously otherwise he wouldn't have created it, but that doesn't mean we can't have a little fun in naming it, which may or may not be an attempt to also acknowledge the ridiculousness of the situation, but I don't think there's anything wrong with a little humour especially on this forum.

I assume there are just too many potential consequences with modifying existing boards?  I mean if you're going to be serious about it, why push the serious people into an "Other" subforum so the shitposters can continue to overrun the main boards this forum is known for?  Maybe I'm being too critical, I believe it is a positive addition, and maybe the Tower will become what I would hope it to become... but without visibility, it may not get much attention and most will continue to go to the main boards. Is this just accepting defeat on the main boards and providing a place for people to flee?

[Jet Cash]

So why aren't people using the new boards?

Surely it can't be because they can't show their signatures,or increase their post counts.

[hilariousetc]

I think he's more than aware of the issue with spam here and you'd have to be blind or have your head in the sand not to see that. I think he takes it seriously otherwise he wouldn't have created it, but that doesn't mean we can't have a little fun in naming it, which may or may not be an attempt to also acknowledge the ridiculousness of the situation, but I don't think there's anything wrong with a little humour especially on this forum.

I assume there are just too many potential consequences with modifying existing boards?  I mean if you're going to be serious about it, why push the serious people into an "Other" subforum so the shitposters can continue to overrun the main boards this forum is known for?  Maybe I'm being too critical, I believe it is a positive addition, and maybe the Tower will become what I would hope it to become... but without visibility, it may not get much attention and most will continue to go to the main boards. Is this just accepting defeat on the main boards and providing a place for people to flee?

I'm sure it can be moved and hopefully will, but maybe there just wasn't a more appropriate place for it at the time or he didn't think too much into its placement. If it doesn't belong as a sub board of Bitcoin Discussion maybe a separate subsection entirely can be created for it. I think it should be placed as a sub of the main board personally but theymos may envision it to include broader topics on economics and politics etc (though we could certainly add those sub boards to there over time).

So why aren't people using the new boards?

Surely it can't be because they can't show their signatures,or increase their post counts.

Well, probably at least 95% of people users are only here to either farm accounts or get paid to post so those will obviously leave it alone, but either way it still serves its purpose. I would much rather there not be much activity in these boards than loads of half-assed topics just for the sake of it. I'm sure it will grow over time but maybe if it's better placed it will get more traffic and many users still wont even be aware of it or might just be confused about what it's actually about.

[Vod]

Well, probably at least 95% of people users are only here to either farm accounts or get paid to post so those will obviously leave it alone, but either way it still serves its purpose.

Remember a few years ago when people posted on the forum to learn more about bitcoin?



(apparently my "Partridge Farm remembers" Meme won't show up.    )

[choisunam]

I would say I would rather have the ivory tower be a child of bitcoin discussion, and allow any non-marketplace, bitcoin related threads, even if said thread would also be appropriate in technical discussion, trading discussion

[pugman]

To be entirely fair, the signature spam, and related nonsense posts is fairly unpleasant...

My issue with the ivory tower is that its placement within the forum more or less makes it an off topic section that allows for a broad variety of threads that I may not be interested in reading. I would say I would rather have the ivory tower be a child of bitcoin discussion, and allow any non-marketplace, bitcoin related threads, even if said thread would also be appropriate in technical discussion, trading discussion, and similar. 

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I would say I would rather have the ivory tower be a child of bitcoin discussion, and allow any non-marketplace, bitcoin related threads, even if said thread would also be appropriate in technical discussion, trading discussion

Any leads on this 
Poor newbie, he shall be banned now. How will he support his family if he can't rank up and participate in signature campaigns?

[hilariousetc]

Well, probably at least 95% of people users are only here to either farm accounts or get paid to post so those will obviously leave it alone, but either way it still serves its purpose.

Remember a few years ago when people posted on the forum to learn more about bitcoin?

Well yeah, but times have changed and signature campaigns (and their users) have grown exponentially since then (or more specifically crapcoin campaigns which have/are doing most of the damage). Signature campaigns have always been a problem for as long as I've been a member here but allowing them to go unregulated and unpunished has just caused chaos and now the board is more just some sort of 'earn money online' forum as opposed to a place where you can actually have some quality discussions about bitcoin (which is now essentially just second fiddle). The issue of sig spam was relatively minor back when I first signed up and I think people could only dream of the relative calm there was. It was practically a utopia compared to what it is now but I guess it was inevitable and this is why we can't have nice things.

To be entirely fair, the signature spam, and related nonsense posts is fairly unpleasant...

My issue with the ivory tower is that its placement within the forum more or less makes it an off topic section that allows for a broad variety of threads that I may not be interested in reading. I would say I would rather have the ivory tower be a child of bitcoin discussion, and allow any non-marketplace, bitcoin related threads, even if said thread would also be appropriate in technical discussion, trading discussion, and similar. 

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I would say I would rather have the ivory tower be a child of bitcoin discussion, and allow any non-marketplace, bitcoin related threads, even if said thread would also be appropriate in technical discussion, trading discussion

Any leads on this 
Poor newbie, he shall be banned now. How will he support his family if he can't rank up and participate in signature campaigns?

. Banned. I wonder if this user is a bot. Hard to believe someone would be this stupid to copy and paste in this of all threads.

[pugman]

Well yeah, but times have changed and signature campaigns (and their users) have grown exponentially since then (or more specifically crapcoin campaigns which have/are doing most of the damage). Signature campaigns have always been a problem for as long as I've been a member here but allowing them to go unregulated and unpunished has just caused chaos and now the board is more just some sort of 'earn money online' forum as opposed to a place where you can actually have some quality discussions about bitcoin (which is now essentially just second fiddle). The issue of sig spam was relatively minor back when I first signed up and I think people could only dream of the relative calm there was. It was practically a utopia compared to what it is now but I guess it was inevitable and this is why we can't have nice things.

Signature campaigns were supposed to improve post quality, look what they did. Sad.

. Banned. I wonder if this user is a bot. Hard to believe someone would be this stupid to copy and paste in this of all threads.

Love it. Thank you so much.
Edit :-*Waits for user, @choisunam to open up a new thread confessing on how he is willing to contribute to this forum and how his sibling copied that post and posted without his knowledge .*

[hilariousetc]

They were just something that naturally evolved here and I don't think signature campaigns were "supposed" to be anything other than people getting paid for a service. But as with any job or industry without rules and regulations being enforced capitalism always gets out of hand and greed and laziness take over as people cut corners and trample over others in any way they can just as long as they can get a piece of the pie and the abuse is happening on both sides. Signature campaigns could have helped improve the quality of posts here but that's only if campaign managers do their job properly and only accept and pay for quality contributions but if there's no requirement for them to do that and punishments for those that don't then why would they bother? All they're doing is wasting time and money (which they would rather just sit back and watch come in). This needs to change. If people started getting penalised for not doing their job properly the culture around here would soon change.

[Jet Cash]

Signature campaigns only improve post quality if posted are paid by results - signups or sales for example. Just flying a banner fr a product that the poster has never used, and probably never will encourages volume, loe quality posting. I don't understand why campaign managers think that helps their products. In most cases it makes me think - That's a product to avoid if he is promoting it.

[Jet Cash]

There are 36 posts in the Ivory Tower, and 31 post it this thread which is talking about it. Just in case you don't know where the board is - it's here -

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=251.0

The board is sig free, so you can read and post there without choking on the sig smoke that clouds the frog pond ( known by some as the discussion board ).

[COTInetwork]

Its risky but lets see what comes of this change. See the community reaction. Based on that we can say this was a good or bad move. Time will tell us.

[pugman]

There are 36 posts in the Ivory Tower, and 31 post it this thread which is talking about it. Just in case you don't know where the board is - it's here -

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=251.0

The board is sig free, so you can read and post there without choking on the sig smoke that clouds the frog pond ( known by some as the discussion board ).

I don't know why I don't feel posting in that board, feels too weird not to mention the topics are so boring  , to be honest. I agree with the users who also think that the sub-board hasn't been placed in the right place. Rather it should be either a child board of economy /bitcoin discussion. Sounds like a joke when the serious discussion board is placed under the board of others. But that's my personal opinion. And oh, I finally found a topic in serious discussion which is not boring, hurray and finally. So now only the placement of the board is off-interests. Maybe some one should start up a poll regarding the placement of the boards, and some people don't like the name too. Problems of people these days. 

[hilariousetc]

Signature campaigns only improve post quality if posted are paid by results - signups or sales for example. Just flying a banner fr a product that the poster has never used, and probably never will encourages volume, loe quality posting. I don't understand why campaign managers think that helps their products. In most cases it makes me think - That's a product to avoid if he is promoting it.

They will only improve if people pay for quality posts. For that to happen there needs be punishments for those that don't make them and those that pay users to do them and then everyone will tighten up their belt and do a better job. An advert is an advert at the end of the day and oftentimes I would have no idea about most of these ICOs but I soon become aware of them when I suddenly see dozens of shitposters crapping all over the forum carrying their signature so their way of adverting is sadly effective. I'm not even sure if users making better posts would be more advantageous for them as more posts = more hits/ad impressions regardless of quality. Also, you have to remember that most of campaigns these days are essentially paying them with free money. They just pre-mine a load of coins or tokens then dish them out to anybody who bothers to sign up and in the process advertising their product all over. The owners can then just sit back and watch the 'real' money come flooding in in Bitcoin and Etherum etc without having to do anything and their end goal is achieved.   

[The Sceptical Chymist]

They will only improve if people pay for quality posts.

And a problem with this is that quality doesn't equate with quantity.  Managers like aTriz have a 200-character requirement, which helps, but what I'm seeing is that a lot of members are writing extremely bloated shitposts that basically say the same thing over and over, within a post.  And those posts are just as garbage-y as the "nice 1" posts, only from far away they look like something profound.

As you've said before, change is only going to come from above.  Only when Theymos cracks down on campaign managers will we start to see the end of shitposts, and I don't see this happening anytime soon.  I like the Ivory Tower section, but it looks like no one is going to post there much (not surprisingly).  So much of what we see on bitcointalk is motivated by campaigns.

[Jet Cash]

As a result of a discussion on the Serious Discussion board, I managed to pick up XBTkiosk.com for $6.69. BitcoinKiosk.com is being offered for sale at $6,817. These two new boards are starting to become really useful venues in my opinion.

[hilariousetc]

They will only improve if people pay for quality posts.

And a problem with this is that quality doesn't equate with quantity.  Managers like aTriz have a 200-character requirement, which helps, but what I'm seeing is that a lot of members are writing extremely bloated shitposts that basically say the same thing over and over, within a post.  And those posts are just as garbage-y as the "nice 1" posts, only from far away they look like something profound.

A 200 character count is probably a good idea, but you still need to be monitoring people alongside that for the reasons you stated. If campaign managers only accepted people who make great posts in the first place then there would be nothing to worry about. If this was adopted across the board then users would be forced to up their quality before they could even get on any campaigns. As long as we have campaigns that will accept bots and shitposting account farmers then nothing will change because those campaigns will always be exploited.

As you've said before, change is only going to come from above.  Only when Theymos cracks down on campaign managers will we start to see the end of shitposts, and I don't see this happening anytime soon.  I like the Ivory Tower section, but it looks like no one is going to post there much (not surprisingly).  So much of what we see on bitcointalk is motivated by campaigns.

Ivory Tower gives people a safe-haven from sig spam and farmers so it's helpful in that respect, but it obviously doesn't help the rest of the board which still needs to be dealt with.

[Ginzink]

I had never heard of Ivory Tower until i were curious to see why a user were given negative trust, and who gave it and ended up here.
The idea is good in my opinion, and i would probably participate if there were any discussions that interested me. But i will bookmark it and try to keep an eye out.
Hopefully it will be a place to learn more about the technologi when i have the spare time. Im not an idealist and in crypto for the money, but mostly through what i mine or bought from mined coins. But i want the buyers of coins i sell to not end up loosers so i try to buy coins that have a good future.


-Not saying all my posts are deep and meaningfull (but on par with the common user), but my activity is not for the bounty campaign. For senior members being in crypto for years i may look like a trash poster though. But the forum are now not only used by idealists but also members trying to be part of the new dot.com (and finding the gems like Amazon). If someone do have input on my posts id like it in my pm with suggestions on how i can be better for the community. A little off topic, but considering why Ivory tower had to be created it is partially on topic.

Bots are very annoying btw, i try to report but does that help? Like getting questions about the ICO on a pure mining coin from newbie..