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April 19, 2018, 05:36:17 PM
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to illustrate the importance of understanding which reason is behind a conflict,
Remember that if there is a lack of ability to enforce or agree on an agreement, it may be a war
last a long time. It will last until either one side emerges successfully, or the situation
has changed so the costs of ongoing conflicts are overwhelming for
all sides. Such a lack of agreements that can be enforced is usually one of the main components
leading to long-term war. In contrast, suppose the possible enforceable and credible agreements
it is possible, but states begin with asymmetrical information, for example, about
relative strength of one of the two countries. In that case, there may be bargaining
failure to lead to war. However, in these settings once the war really begins the kinsman
the strengths of the nation can be more pronounced, and given that credible bargaining is
can and prevent further war costs in states can then reach an agreement with
finish the war. Thus, different battles of the war may correspond to different sources of
bargaining failure. A lack of ability to enforce a bargaining agreement and/or a lack of the ability
to credibly commit to abide by an agreement. the world will not be able to find a place in the world without a fight. . . Cheesy
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April 19, 2018, 06:02:42 PM
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There aren't too many reasons to support war in fact I'm also 100% against the idea of war in the majority of cases. WW1 & WW2 were probably justified and needed to happen. However, others may argue there are benefits of war; For example, if we look at WW1 and the technological advancements excluding weapons which were made because of the war:

- Mobile X-ray machine
Before the war wounded soldiers were often removed from the battlefield and transported back home to get evaluated or medics diagnosed incorrectly on site resulting in soldiers being mistreated. The mobile X-ray machine allowed medics to identify breaks and the like on site and be able to offer medical care based on the results. These are now used around the world in different clinics. For example, if you are bedridden in a hospital then nurses will now come to you and perform a X-ray.

- Satellite communication
You might recall hearing about messages being delivered via pigeon, telegrams (which were invented in the American civil war or radios which were not very reliable and could be tapped into very easily by simply being on the same channel. Radios also had a certain distance in which they wouldn't be able to transmit to each other.
Of course satellites are used for all sorts of things now including being used by everest base camp to get medical care to climbers who are suffering with Cerebral hypoxia and getting them helicopter evacuation down to lower levels. Without the invention of satellite communication expeditions such as Everest, K2 and the like would be much more risky than it is today.

- Hydrophones
Primarily used to locate U-boats these devices were designed to be used underwater to listen for sounds underneath the surface. These are now being used for various different things including locating submarines below the surface and surveying the oceans. For example, these devices are used to monitor whales within the ocean.

-Penicillin
Probably one of the most breakthrough discoveries at the time which has been deemed a super drug and saved many peoples lives. Imagine a world without penicillin. Infections which penicillin now treats these days were originally fatal. Penicillin was originally discovered in 1869 but, if it wasn't for WW2 then the effectiveness of the antibacterial drug in the world. Yeah we have alternatives for people who are allergic to Penicillin but, at the time this substance saved several thousands of soldiers dying from infection as well as those who had infections in hospitals, care homes and at home.

This isn't even including the advancements made to airplanes (jet engine), air control communication, Nuclear power,  Enigma computer and ultra sound. Plus the improvements made to engines used in land vehicles.

Beyond what has already been discussed the only real benefit I can see from war is the technological advancements which are made. Especially within the medical field. You could also look at the cold war between America and Russia and probably argue that we wouldn't have landed on the moon (as soon as we did) and build a space shuttle capable of doing that if it wasn't for the massive dick measuring competition these two countries were having.

Is it a equal trade? Killing thousands of people for advancing medical care such as Penicillin which has saved thousands? It depends on the mentality that you have. Whether saving the majority is better than a select few. It's the typical dilemma where you are given a decision to make on which rail would pick the with three people tied to or one person. There's probably not a perfect answer to this, and war probably isn't justified ever. But, we shouldn't ignore the benefits which do come from war whether it's justified or not.

The main reasons for goverments to support war is financial and territorial resources. These resources are needed for power and domination over other countries. There's no some higher purpose to start war. Only human vices motivate people to initiate such act of violence. Unfortunately it's sad truth about human nature.
Yes, but this isn't a reason to support war. In fact you might argue that this is a reason to not support war as it encourages greed and dominance. For example, if you asked people about monopolies in the business world people would more than likely say they are bad and small businesses should be given a chance to compete. Well, if the USA declared war on a smaller country to gains it's power, profits and strategical position is that really a good thing?

This is why World War happened. A coalition was formed against German forces and their allies to prevent them from gaining superior control. Of course, there was other things like eradicating a race etc. This is why I feel that in this particular situation war was justified. It was preventing another country from eradicating a race, and taking out several countries.

Can you explain what's the reason? You can say positive as well as negative reasons.
I think the most common reason for war is the urge to capture resources owned by another jurisdiction. For example, the USA frequently goes to war to secure access to energy resources.
War can be caused by invasion and war could mean death and destruction of properties. This can be a reason for people to support war. The preservation of lives and to defend your properties.
You are probably right from the defendants view. Although, flip that around and try to support the country which is attacking for what is probably for political gain, or power. There's two sides and it's people shouldn't support their country declaring war just for power, greed or what ever.
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April 20, 2018, 04:07:30 AM
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I think the justifiable reasons for war are to protect yourself from an aggressor or to protect others from an unjustifiable overwhelming force. At this stage in human development i see no other justifiably reason for war. If you think I am wrong I’m more than happy to hear other points of view.

What about preemptive strikes? If some country thinks that another nation is making preparations to attack them, then the former may launch a sudden attack in order to gain an upper hand. This was the justification given by Nazi Germany for invading the USSR.

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April 29, 2018, 09:13:24 PM
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Everything happens for a reason --- and this includes supporting war. What comes in first to my mind when I hear about the word 'war' is violence. If war is violence, then we should not tolerate war since violence have nothing to bring but pain, sorrow, and destruction. However, this would not equally necessarily mean that we shouldn't fight back. To declare first for a fight is bad, but to declare that you are going to fight back is different. The three main reasons to support war is first, if there is an existence of rebellion. Second, if there is an invasion that threatens our country's sovereignty. Third and lastly, of there is a threat in existence of terrorism. These are the things that pushes a government to declare war.

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May 18, 2018, 05:15:50 PM
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If we would think, war isn't making good effects as it always leave people in pain and sorrow. But still, there is a practical use of war which would end up in positive things. First is having rebellion inside the country. Another if there is invasion in our sovereign. Also is if there is a threat of having terrorism. This were all on our Constitution as a guideline to have a rise of war. Declaration of war should be undergone through series of debate for it to be passed. This might caused a good effect of having declaration of war.

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May 19, 2018, 09:57:01 AM
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The growth of resources is linear, and the population grows exponentially. When population growth exceeds the growth of resources, the surplus population is always consumed in the form of war.

Fight for survival and development space.

Competition for production and living materials.

The struggle for the right to define justice.
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May 23, 2018, 06:55:17 PM
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Can you explain what's the reason? You can say positive as well as negative reasons.
I think the most common reason for war is the urge to capture resources owned by another jurisdiction. For example, the USA frequently goes to war to secure access to energy resources.

Yes, your'e absolutely right. One of the main reasons why a certain country wage war on another country is because they want their territories,resources and supplies like oil, bank reserves or gold reserves. But, there is also a possibility that this about raising of funds.
Obviously, when you go to war, you'll need every weapons available to fight the enemy and in this case, what's the effective way to requests budget from this?  Surely, to request fundings which will come from taxpayers money. I believe they orchestrated their own war because they manufacture their own weapons,guns,ammunition, war ships,tanks and missiles. Im talking about united states here. Yes, i believe they often declare war because literally there's money on it and they gain great profit from it.

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A war to stop tyranny and a dictatorship which infringes on the Fundamental Human Rights of its citizens is always justified. A war which seeks to end genocide is always justified.
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May 24, 2018, 09:57:22 AM
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A normal human being should not be thinking of war, u used USA as a case study the war they are fighting is not a civil war perhaps its a civil war they will know that war is bad, they were unable to feel the pain and the agony they caused the nation they want to empower. we should be praying everyday that war should not come near  our jurisdictions, only the northern in nigeria can explain the wrath of military and boko haram with herds men gun, bombing and killings. War destroy resources its causes famine . I pray we will not experience such in our land. there is no reason to support war. Round table is the solution to man kind problem. Arthur has started it and we should admire that and does the same. thanks.
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May 24, 2018, 03:25:07 PM
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War is only allowed as a last resort. Whenever there is lawlessness and decline of morality the miscreants should be put down to protect the innocent, is how it is put in the classics. This includes self preservation, to protect yourself from invaders. I think the most frequent reason why a country fights in is natural resources, other than that another reason would be Patriotism, a belief that there is no other option available, because the cause for which you are fighting is just and valid, to defend your beliefs, values, country and family ..

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War should be supported in some cases, some of the are;
Wen there is famine, and there is no much food. When people go on war, some will die through it and there by reducing the population of that region. On one word, it is used to reduce population.
War should also be supported  to gain  freedom, when people terrorise another people, it later lead to war there by, the two parties go on separately
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July 14, 2018, 09:03:45 PM
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I think the justifiable reasons for war are to protect yourself from an aggressor or to protect others from an unjustifiable overwhelming force. At this stage in human development i see no other justifiably reason for war. If you think I am wrong I’m more than happy to hear other points of view.

What about preemptive strikes? If some country thinks that another nation is making preparations to attack them, then the former may launch a sudden attack in order to gain an upper hand. This was the justification given by Nazi Germany for invading the USSR.

I suppose it depends on the aggression level and the rhetoric coming from that country. If they are talking like "We mad, we blow you up!" and they start launching bombs in your direction to try and provoke a response than they are giving you no reason to believe that they wont attack. but, maybe you should just hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Personally, I would hate to be the first one to make a move on anything other than peace talks.
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July 16, 2018, 11:55:19 AM
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History is full of wars, of people fighting against one another for all kinds of reasons. Why do people go to war ?We can narrow it down to two reasons:

to better their way of life
to protect their way of life
to protect their way of life- i would disagree it's the 21st century, there are different ways of solving this problem. As of bettering way of life- i agree. Some countries are taking aggressive measures and attacking other countries not to name specifics , then yes war is needed
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July 27, 2018, 05:10:40 PM
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The only reason to support war is if you are getting some kind of gain from it. I don't mean to say that this is a good or noble reason, but it is usually the reason. Many people in this thread have brought up the point that governments often to go war to secure some resources. This is very often the case. The scary thing is though that private companies have so much more to do with it than we might think at first glance. Typically private companies produce the weapons that governments pay billions of tax-payer dollars on. It is then typically private companies that go in and help rebuild the infrastructure in countries the government spent billions to destroy. It is then private companies that also go in and take over resource extraction and sales. It's all about money. It's a sick sick game.
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July 28, 2018, 04:39:50 AM
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There are some reasons to support any wars that your country and other allied countries wage. Let's divide it into two perspectives:

I. Supporting your country's wars

   a. Patriotism
           It is defined as an ideology of love and devotion to a homeland, and a sense of alliance with other citizens who share the same values.

   b. A belief that there is no other options available
            It is a common reason if your country face economic or military blockade that prevents your country's development and progress. Also, if your country and any agressive countries don't reach any treaty or agreement.

   c. Because the cause for which you are fighting is just and valid
              Let's face it. We have reasonable excuses, even if any people would look at it, they will say that it is valid.

   d. To defend your beliefs, values, country and family which is best done
               As the saying that goes around, "the best offense is defense". It is also a common reason to support your country's war.

   e. To grab teritories and geographical areas that are rich in resources
             We support wars to gain teritories and acquire resources that are critical in our economy.

II. Supporting allied country's wars

   a. Quelling any rebellions, threats, etc.
               This is important because it secure not only ourselves but also our prosperity and our laws.

   b. Rewards after the war
                A common reason why a country allied with another country in waging war is to get the rewards bound by their treaty once the war was won. It may be economic, geographic, political, or material rewards.

    c. Securing the future of your country
                 It is important to support other allied countries to ensure our future as a nation.
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July 28, 2018, 06:28:09 AM
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Here's just one example:

Because the axis powers (Germany, Italy, and Japan) had their eyes on conquering the world. And they were acting upon those goals. They invaded France, Poland, Western Russia, Manchuria, the Philippines, annexed Austria and Hungry, island hopping across the Pacific, and bombed Pearl Harbor.

Negotiations had been tried (N. Chamberlain) and despite agreements, their advancement did not cease.

It was only by use of military force that they were stopped.
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August 02, 2018, 01:05:29 PM
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There are some reasons to support any wars that your country and other allied countries wage. Let's divide it into two perspectives:

I. Supporting your country's wars

   a. Patriotism
           It is defined as an ideology of love and devotion to a homeland, and a sense of alliance with other citizens who share the same values.

   b. A belief that there is no other options available
            It is a common reason if your country face economic or military blockade that prevents your country's development and progress. Also, if your country and any agressive countries don't reach any treaty or agreement.

   c. Because the cause for which you are fighting is just and valid
              Let's face it. We have reasonable excuses, even if any people would look at it, they will say that it is valid.

   d. To defend your beliefs, values, country and family which is best done
               As the saying that goes around, "the best offense is defense". It is also a common reason to support your country's war.

   e. To grab teritories and geographical areas that are rich in resources
             We support wars to gain teritories and acquire resources that are critical in our economy.

II. Supporting allied country's wars

   a. Quelling any rebellions, threats, etc.
               This is important because it secure not only ourselves but also our prosperity and our laws.

   b. Rewards after the war
                A common reason why a country allied with another country in waging war is to get the rewards bound by their treaty once the war was won. It may be economic, geographic, political, or material rewards.

    c. Securing the future of your country
                 It is important to support other allied countries to ensure our future as a nation.
I think it's very important to distinguish. There are different kinds of wars. It seems like recently there aren't a lot of "traditional" wars. So many wars these days seem to involved a country or countries sticking there noses into other countries' business across the ocean. I think it's pretty stupid to support a war like that. Patriotism is definitely a horrible excuse. If another country attacks your country, that is something completely different. Then I think it definitely makes sense to defend yourself.
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August 02, 2018, 08:08:37 PM
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The purpose behind all wars is hackneyed voracity. Individuals are insufficient calm stream of life. He who has control needs more power. He who is rich needs more cash. Thus in all things. More land, more control, more domain. For "somewhat more" individuals, tragically, are prepared for much. To wars, carnage, covetousness and ravenousness. The apocalypse is certainly not a characteristic disasters. Humanity will pulverize itself.
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August 02, 2018, 09:23:19 PM
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Has anyone here ever heard of the Gestapo? Rape of Nanking? How about ISIS?  I could go on but the only thing that would prove is there can be mass amounts of big-time evil in the world.  This can occur at nearly anytime and any place.  There is only one answer that these enemies understand.  Burying your head in the sand and blaming oil, money, US or whatever will do nothing.   I would truly love to be a pacifist but my world is too filled with potential dangers.
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