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February 13, 2019, 06:20:42 PM
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I tried to open this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106313.0 any time when I came to this forum, but there was no update from Cloudbet to give verify and solve Swofty problem's. Indeed, it's be pitied that Cloudbet is the trusted gambling place before and have many user who play/gamble on it. Hopefully, they can solve this problem and get everyone back to believe and gamble in it, when they don't solve this problem it might add a new list of online gambling that uses cryptocurrency less trusted by some people.
   
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February 14, 2019, 03:36:15 AM
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I don’t understand why they won’t return the 150BTC deposit. There is no excuse not to arrange that. They’re obviously being shady.
They are continuously buying time. This is not good. Also I wonder who the f**k hell trust a gambling company with that f**king much BTC. I would have a heart attack LOL.

They're not buying time, they have no intention to pay it.
I think they are waiting for legal action before they will be compel to process this withdrawal which is going to be a complicated matter.
Cloudbet has had a lot of accusations previously but this is a big one, I wonder why a guy with this huge amount of money would trust one site only.

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February 14, 2019, 03:53:23 AM
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I don’t understand why they won’t return the 150BTC deposit. There is no excuse not to arrange that. They’re obviously being shady.
They are continuously buying time. This is not good. Also I wonder who the f**k hell trust a gambling company with that f**king much BTC. I would have a heart attack LOL.

They're not buying time, they have no intention to pay it.
I think they are waiting for legal action before they will be compel to process this withdrawal which is going to be a complicated matter.
Cloudbet has had a lot of accusations previously but this is a big one, I wonder why a guy with this huge amount of money would trust one site only.
It is not the players need to trust a site they are sending their cryptocurrency to. It is the sites responsibility to be held accountable if the player wins in their bets to be able to pay them what is owed if they infact win.
Whether it be 1 millibtc or more there shouldnt be a question if they should be trusted with this small or large amount.
If they do not intend to pay someone who won fair and square then why should any casino pay anybody their winnings if they dont feel like it.
This is absurd.

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February 14, 2019, 04:16:56 AM
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It is not the players need to trust a site they are sending their cryptocurrency to. It is the sites responsibility to be held accountable if the player wins in their bets to be able to pay them what is owed if they infact win.
Things would be easy if they are regulated, in general there are still plenty of gambling sites that are not regulated
and that makes it very risky fro gamblers especially those who bet big money since they have no assurance if they can go after a certain site.

Whether it be 1 millibtc or more there shouldnt be a question if they should be trusted with this small or large amount.
Reputation are not measure by the amount of bet, it should be based on their action.

If they do not intend to pay someone who won fair and square then why should any casino pay anybody their winnings if they dont feel like it.
This is absurd.
Every casino is unique but unfortunately there are also shady casinos, so it's also a players responsibility to choose the right one
as prevention is better than cure, this case is looking for cure which I'm thinking a hard one to cure.
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February 14, 2019, 02:25:23 PM
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Another day goes by & still nothing from Cloudbet, absolutely deplorable.

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February 14, 2019, 08:13:16 PM
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This is part of what cloudbet posted on their own thread just today about this case
"In this case, our fraud team has needed more time than usual as the case is quite complicated and involves several different parties and inconsistent information from the player. This is our standard procedure if there is any suspicion of fraudulent activity."
I think this is what is holding back them paying out this customer their winnings.
What inconsistent information could they be referring to?

Unknown, though I personally think this is just an attempt to buy time.

Don’t get me wrong there could be an actual issue on their end, and if there is they should have spotted it and been transparent about it.

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February 14, 2019, 10:30:35 PM
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So the guy made a 150 BTC deposit?  That should be alarming for Cloudbet if they couldn't handle the action imo.  They should at least limit how much that guy could bet or they'll probably take a huge hit.
They might had the confidence that he will be gifting all those coins to their bank roll and never expected to double that amount and withdraw everything. I really hope they will return his coins even if they delay things with flimsy reasons. I had my big losses in cloud bet a couple of years back so I am not sure how they will respond if I doubled those amount Shocked, I never had any difficulty with them till now withdrawing a couple of bitcoins and most of the time the withdrawals were instant . Will closely follow this scenario on how they deal with this user. If they don't comply then it is the end of cloud bet.
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February 14, 2019, 10:48:57 PM
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So the guy made a 150 BTC deposit?  That should be alarming for Cloudbet if they couldn't handle the action imo.  They should at least limit how much that guy could bet or they'll probably take a huge hit.
They might had the confidence that he will be gifting all those coins to their bank roll and never expected to double that amount and withdraw everything. I really hope they will return his coins even if they delay things with flimsy reasons. I had my big losses in cloud bet a couple of years back so I am not sure how they will respond if I doubled those amount Shocked, I never had any difficulty with them till now withdrawing a couple of bitcoins and most of the time the withdrawals were instant . Will closely follow this scenario on how they deal with this user. If they don't comply then it is the end of cloud bet.
They never have the face to respond cause they'll never wanting to do it. And maybe that's their plan and they are actually succeed for their shame actions.
Their questionable actions and credibility will simply created a bad reputation among their teams. And people will think that this will be going into nothing.

If that problem won't be settled by the team and still existing, it surely nobody could resist to be at risk with them.   
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February 14, 2019, 10:49:32 PM
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Another day goes by & still nothing from Cloudbet, absolutely deplorable.
They took too much time before they respond on this but I think they are just reviewing the possible move that they can do about this matter. Let’s just wait for them to respond and I know they will not run, they can resolve this problem, its a process though.
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February 14, 2019, 11:57:57 PM
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Another day goes by & still nothing from Cloudbet, absolutely deplorable.
They took too much time before they respond on this but I think they are just reviewing the possible move that they can do about this matter. Let’s just wait for them to respond and I know they will not run, they can resolve this problem, its a process though.
There’s already an update about this one and I think they are still trying to figure out on what they need to do because this is a huge money but of course they have to give the money to the complainant because it his money and he deserve to get it.
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February 15, 2019, 03:29:07 AM
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Another day goes by & still nothing from Cloudbet, absolutely deplorable.
They took too much time before they respond on this but I think they are just reviewing the possible move that they can do about this matter. Let’s just wait for them to respond and I know they will not run, they can resolve this problem, its a process though.
There’s already an update about this one and I think they are still trying to figure out on what they need to do because this is a huge money but of course they have to give the money to the complainant because it his money and he deserve to get it.
Does it really need to take this long? Resolving it wont really take much time yet OP can give out necessary informations just to prove it out. Until now they
do took this long and making some alibis that they do need some time to investigate? They are really buying some time until the heat would cool down and forget that this issues had been arised.

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February 16, 2019, 08:37:23 AM
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i tried to contact him. Alot of complaints even they did not allow some players to withdraw 2 to 3 btc as i see,But that huge amount 333 btc.Yesterday @Ronnie replied hopefully they will resolve as soon as they can here you can see his replyhttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106313.msg49725600#msg49725600.
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February 16, 2019, 08:41:26 AM
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It looks like this case is actively discussed on scam accusation under Cloudbet not responding for my 330 BTC withdrawal and also in their official thread,so there is nothing to discuss here,better OP lock this thread now.

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February 16, 2019, 04:39:43 PM
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The scam accusation is the place where the original claimer posted so he could show everyone what cloudbet did, the other cloudbet topic is run by cloudbet itself. I feel like this is more like viewers point of view type of topic so I think this should stay as well. At least we can talk here without the user and the cloudbet both going back and forth with each other and just talk among ourselves about what happened.

I think cloudbet wasn't ready for something this big and laws do probably require them to do something when that much of money change hands (money laundering) but instead of losing that much money and doing that much work they realized " god knows how long it will take us to make this much profit, maybe it is better to just take this and tell people it is over, some may continue playing some may leave but we will have 150 more bitcoins to us at least" and just decided to be a shady organization because that felt more profitable and least more profits on the short term.
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February 17, 2019, 01:42:15 AM
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It looks like this case is actively discussed on scam accusation under Cloudbet not responding for my 330 BTC withdrawal and also in their official thread,so there is nothing to discuss here,better OP lock this thread now.
Nice idea, we have an appropriate thread for this which is the scam accusation.
Cloudbet has been tagged by a lot of DT members and Cloudbet now is one of the worst red tagged account in the forum.
They don't respond to this until now, but you are right, we should bring the discussion to the thread mentioned.

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The scam accusation is the place where the original claimer posted so he could show everyone what cloudbet did, the other cloudbet topic is run by cloudbet itself. I feel like this is more like viewers point of view type of topic so I think this should stay as well. At least we can talk here without the user and the cloudbet both going back and forth with each other and just talk among ourselves about what happened.


I agree about that.
Whilst the thread in scam accusation is the appropriate place for that discussion - this is a god thread to discuss the topic without CB and the user involved.

One thing that bothers me the most is the amount of deposit the user could add into his CB account ... 129 BTC is a lot of money, by all means whatsoever ... even if CB claims they are contacting their licensee in Curacao (which is useless) - they are the one to be blamed for this incident ... how can you think a 129 BTC deposit from someone?

1 BTC? ok
10 BTC? well, it's a lot but some websites take that amount....

But 100+ BTC? That's huge, over $300,000 ..... only BetFair takes these amounts but I'm sure they scrutinize the depositor and give him hell before he can get to that position of depositing so much money ... CB did it without any type of verification - they should be blamed for this IMO.

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February 17, 2019, 04:45:24 PM
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So the guy made a 150 BTC deposit?  That should be alarming for Cloudbet if they couldn't handle the action imo.  They should at least limit how much that guy could bet or they'll probably take a huge hit.
Cloudbet does have an upper limit(Bet Max) to the action. So, that shouldnt really be the concern. Some sportsbooks give users who win a lot, lower than usual odds to discourage the very successful to bet or to just have a bigger house edge against the player. Not sure if Cloudbet does that though.

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MAJOR UPDATE - QUOTING FROM REDDIT HERE

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TL;DR:- I have been following this case closely because I was curious about it and finally it's resolved! The guy is from the US. And for the record speaks PERFECT English, lol. When CloudBet asked him for his ID, he got scared and tried to manipulate the situation to hide the fact that he is breaking the Terms of Service, so he ended up sending a fake ID of someone from the Philippines in fear of not getting paid out. Eventually, he admitted his mistake, sent in his real ID, then got paid the entire 330 btc, which was not only his initial deposit(s), but also his winnings. I guess CloudBet paid both instead of voiding all his bets like they usually do in such cases because the case went viral, kind of? I am not sure, but they also signed a message from a wallet that holds 1157 btc so they are definitely trying to prove something to the community here.

CloudBet's Comment: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg49817125#msg49817125
Hi all,

There has been some discontent in the forums and we would like to take this opportunity to clear a few issues up.

Firstly, please be reminded that Cloudbet does NOT accept any USA players.

USA players are blocked from registering accounts, and are blocked from making bets. If any player from USA attempts to make an account, they see a message saying USA players are prohibited and are not able to sign up.

To reiterate, players from USA are NOT allowed on Cloudbet.

If we have strong reason to believe that a player has deliberately and willingly circumvented our terms of service by connecting from USA (or another restricted territory), we freeze their account while we conduct an investigation, and ask the player to provide documentation on their residency. Please note that this is only when we strongly suspect that a player has connected from USA, ie, there is specific evidence to suggest this.

In most cases, the player is cooperative and provides us with accurate documentation about their account and residency. If they are a USA resident, we close their account permanently, and return their account balance. This has been the case with several vocal users in the forum. Sometimes this can take some time, as every case is slightly different, but is always resolved eventually provided the player furnishes us with accurate information.

If they are connecting from a non-restricted country, we reopen their account and they can resume using their account without limitation.

Please note that in all cases where the player has cooperated, they have received their entire account balance, and had their accounts closed only if they were connecting from a prohibited jurisdiction (or there was a separate unrelated issue). If any forum members in this situation would come forward and confirm receipt of their account balances in full, this would be appreciated.

However - on rare occasions, the player is NOT cooperative and provides us with deliberately falsified or fraudulent information. In these cases, our investigations are significantly more complicated and time consuming.

There is one specific case that has received a lot of attention from the community - Swofty - as the dollar amount is particularly large. Here is our comment on the case:

As we have a duty of privacy to all of our players, we are limited in what we can share. The player may have shared some details, but we are not able to share any specifics or personal data. That said, we can share definitively that the player has knowingly and deliberately provided untruthful, falsified and fraudulent information to both Cloudbet and the community. The account holder is NOT the person that he/she states it is, nor are they in the location they state. The player also knowingly and deliberately circumvented our terms of service by connecting from a prohibited jurisdiction. The reason the player has not been paid yet is entirely to do with them circumventing our terms of service and providing falsified and fraudulent information, and nothing to do with our bitcoin liquidity (more on that below). As the customer provided us with definitively falsified information, we suggested they reach out to Curacao Egaming - with whom we hold a licence - for assistance. This is the correct escalation for any player issues. We intend to resolve this issue in a manner completely fair to everyone once we receive truthful and accurate information from the player. It appears as if the player is now cooperating, so we hope to have a resolution to this case soon.

We have been encouraged by the way the community has responded to rally behind the player and help hold Cloudbet accountable, however in this case the player has not been truthful with the community. We encourage the player to share a more accurate story.

Separately, concerns have been raised about Cloudbet's ability to service the player's withdrawal immediately. You needn’t be concerned - we hold enough funds to cover all of our player balances several times over, and we would never accept a bet that we could not pay in full immediately. We have been around since 2013 and have always celebrated our largest winners, and paid extremely promptly.

We would like to address this in the way requested by the community -- a signed message from a wallet that holds sufficient funds to cover any liabilities that may be due to this player.

We have signed a message from a wallet holding ~1157 BTC. All outputs spent to this wallet are from wallets that belong to us, and had not moved in over a year (we sent them to a single wallet for the purpose of this exercise) so they are not newly acquired coins. We would be happy to sign another message from any of the source wallets to prove ownership if required.

Wallet: 16vk7DahVgj4VsfKKdr1pG3QJ9FvzXpdJN Message: cloudbet.com // no USA players allowed Signature: HxO5QwkA/UNVePahBUzYgWL4Zz5syTC1H6/LeHICsvW0MYG9Q+PgOjNbzVXgXsLbadzFO2wLlz25nsbaXkeTXo4=

You can verify the above message in your bitcoin client, or by using the web interface here

I hope that addresses the community's immediate concerns. If anybody has any further questions or follow-up, please feel free to contact us directly via our support channels, or post a reply in this thread and we will do our best to address them in a timely manner.

Once more, to reiterate, Cloudbet does NOT accept USA players.

Thanks for your continued support, patience, and diligence.

The Cloudbet Team

Swofty's Response: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg49821239#msg49821239
Hello everyone,

Ronnie is correct in what he is saying, the delay is entirely my fault. I am from the USA and I didn't even worry about my location or withdrawing bitcoin until I got an email from them asking for my ID and things like that.

At that point, I got very scared. I went from really excited about my winnings to very, very scared I wouldn't get any. I have a good online friend in the Phillipines and I asked for help. I had him give his documents and ID that said the account was from the Phillipines. This was a mistake. As of right now, I have sent cloudbet my real credentials (ID, etc) to cloudbet and they know who I am. I want everyone, including cloudbet, to know that nothing I did was meant to manipulate or mislead cloudbet in anyway. All my wagers were made in good faith and I won them fair and square.

I should have been upfront about my situation from the start and this situation would have gone much more smoothly. I can also say that even though a resolution to this issue has not been come up with yet Ronnie is correct in saying we have recently been in touch and we are making progress on coming up with a solution. I have to say I am thankful for cloudbet being reasonable about my situation especially considering my misleading them about my location. I am very, very hopeful we will come to a conclusion soon. I will keep everybody here updated when this is all over.

Thanks for listening.

Swofty

Payment confirmed by Swofty & AskGamblers Team: https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/cloudbet-casino-delayed-330-btc-payment




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