Paraphrased articles, without providing links to originals.

[lovesmayfamilis]

How should we feel about paraphrased articles that do not include links to the original? The fact that the article was simply paraphrased is suggestive of plagiarism.
To my surprise, I do not find links to the information that served as the original for writing the article.
What to do in this case? Should I report to moderators?
Do you think it is worth making concessions to newbies if they refer to ignorance of forum rules?

Pro tip: when you are using some article as the basis of your post, you should mention it. Posted like this it looks like it's you who made all these charts and predictions while original source is Cointelegraph article that was released yesterday.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-can-hit-16k-but-only-if-this-resistance-level-finally-breaks

edit: looking at your post history, this seem like a  standard practice for you. I suggest you stop with that  as it's nothing more than a plagiarism, even if you change few words and sentences here and there.

Hello. My dear, if you look at my background, I have just entered the site.
And this is true of you, and I corrected it (although I did not know it had to be done)
Plagiarism is a mistake.
I always need your help, gentlemen, you have worked hard for many years. I hope you are not upset.
Good luck

https://archive.st/m00a


Here's a concrete example.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5273670.msg55134061#msg55134061
https://it.0xzx.com/2020090493267.html
https://archive.st/s4eb

And also all or almost all of this user's message history, in which each new open topic is copied and paraphrased without providing links.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;threads;u=2845817;sa=showPosts

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5271492.msg55069819#msg55069819
https://archive.st/vsjl


This topic led me to the question.

Starting a thread is like beginning a discussion, one users should readily be available to partake in, just posting a link, or copying the article verbatim in a new thread is foul play, because definitely such "thread starters" wouldn't come back to the thread again.

[jackg]

How should we feel about paraphrased articles that do not include links to the original? The fact that the article was simply paraphrased is suggestive of plagiarism.

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It is plagiarism to paraphrase an article without posting its link and should be reported.
If there's a nontrivial link between the article and the post (ie it's not something most would come up with) then report it and include the link of the article or ask the op to include the link.

[lovesmayfamilis]

The point is that the posts are very well paraphrased. I have often submitted plagiarism reports to moderators. But here is a slightly different case. I see that this is a post from the latest news. But I can't find the original.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5273670.msg55134061#msg55134061
https://it.0xzx.com/2020090493267.html
https://archive.st/s4eb
Or, in this example, the message is taken from an Italian source but written in English.
So, apparently, all his posts are written

I try to show the moderators as accurate information as possible so that the report will work for sure.




Perhaps this will also serve as proof

[The Sceptical Chymist]

If the member didn't write the content outside of bitcointalk himself that's being paraphrased, I would definitely consider it plagiarism if there's no citation of source.  Plagiarism doesn't have to be a verbatim word-for-word copy/paste of someone else's writing.  Those word spinning programs "paraphrase" things, but just because a few words were changed or sentence structure has been altered doesn't mean it's not plagiarism.

And if the person did write the off-forum content, that person can appeal any ban from the mods. 

I would report to the mods any instances of crap like this that you find and let them sort out what they want to do with it.  I'm not sure how bad the plagiarism problem is right now on the forum, but it was pretty bad up until at least last year, so we know it's happening.

[Rikafip]

So I see @F_Societys decided to ignore my friendly suggestion and he keeps doing the same thing, just a little bit adapted. I really don't understand how hard can it be  to share reference link and avoid all this, but I guess he wants to appear knowing more than he actually does so he willingly  chooses not to mention source.

Well, at least he can't say he wasn't warned about his behaviour. Many newbies didn't have that privilege, they were instantly reported and soon after banned.

[morvillz7z]

I would say there is a 99.9% probability, F_Societys to be an alt of an already banned account called BTCWALK, which i reported for text-spinning back in August.
What they do is steal technical analysis, online articles, use text-spinners, and post them as their own. You guys should not warn them but straight up report them.

Both accounts like to add the following text:

This analysis is my personal opinion. And as you know, no analysis is 100% correct. be Lucrative &successful

This is also a personal opinion analysis and I am happy to share your opinions.

BTCWALK was banned 8/21/2020 but their last forum visit was 4 days later, 8/25/2020
F_Societys registered their account 8/25/2020 (15min difference between BTCWALK last visit and the time F_Societys created their account).

[notblox1]

Many newbies are not aware that doing copy and paste from articles without posting source link is plagiarism and punishment is ban.
I would suggest to add small info for everyone when creating new post with some basic rule about this.
Real newbies will be saved from getting ban.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Many newbies are not aware that doing copy and paste from articles without posting source link is plagiarism and punishment is ban.
I would suggest to add small info for everyone when creating new post with some basic rule about this.
Real newbies will be saved from getting ban.

That's not on us instead it's their fault and the forum doesn't owe than any obligation of remaining them, that you just suggested. It's their fault if they're found guilty of plagiarism either due to ignorance or just greed to get the credits that should be given to the original creator of the articles they copied. Morally you should know when something isn't yours, you should always reference where you get that information from. Paraphrasing an article isn't any different and should be treated as plagiarism.

The fact that the offends trys to cover the crime he/she is commiting (which is plagiarism) by rewording the article they copied is given more of a crime to me than someone who probably out of ignorance just copied an article and posted on the forum although that's no excused either. In my opinion Issues involving paraphrasing should be taken even more seriously.

[khaled0111]

Many newbies are not aware that doing copy and paste from articles without posting source link is plagiarism and punishment is ban.

Plagiarism is forbidden almost everywhere not only on this forum. Therefore, ignorance of forum rules isn't really a valid excuse (imo).

I am in favor of warning new users and reminding them of the rules first before reporting them to mods. But, the user mentioned in OP, and as CryptopreneurBrainboss pointed out, was aware that what he was doing is illegal and was paraphrasing the copied articles to avoid being caught.

[tranthidung]

Plagiarism is copy & paste without source link. It is a most recognized type of plagiarsim. There are some other types and people can think that they are smart enough to avoid plagiarism but still steal idea of the others. They are wrong because what is considered as plagiarism on the forum is not limited to copy & paste without source link.

Plagiarism is what gets people permabanned, not just copying. Plagiarism is copying with the intent of passing the work off as your own. In essentially all cases, plagiarism deserves a permaban because it usually proves definitively that the person is here for the wrong reasons: to fill up space in order to get paid, not to actually discuss or contribute. If someone was able to convince us that they were plagiarizing just to eg. impress people rather than to fill up space, then a lesser ban of a few months might instead be warranted. But this has never happened AFAICR. (Arguments based on plausible deniability aren't going to work; we don't need to prove that you had the motive we see in your actions.)

Plagiarism: If you copy some text from somewhere, then you should have a good reason for it, and you must link to the source. Doing otherwise is plagiarism. Changing a few words around doesn't matter. If we find that you plagiarized, then you absolutely will be permanently banned, even if we find it years after you did it.

For the OP question, I think it is similar to what was discussed in the following thread New sort of plagiarism. However, the case raised by OP is different and 'looks' better, harder to be detected. It was translated manually, not by Google translate. Maybe the poster did text-spinning which is another type of plagiarism

[F_Societys]

So I see @F_Societys decided to ignore my friendly suggestion and he keeps doing the same thing, just a little bit adapted. I really don't understand how hard can it be  to share reference link and avoid all this, but I guess he wants to appear knowing more than he actually does so he willingly  chooses not to mention source.

Well, at least he can't say he wasn't warned about his behaviour. Many newbies didn't have that privilege, they were instantly reported and soon after banned.

Hello, I swear you will forgive me.
From now on, I will mention it even if I copy a word from a site.
Please take the negative rating from me. I am ready to improve this site.
I hope you forgive me and I try to publish the best articles.

[friends1980]

So I see @F_Societys decided to ignore my friendly suggestion and he keeps doing the same thing, just a little bit adapted. I really don't understand how hard can it be  to share reference link and avoid all this, but I guess he wants to appear knowing more than he actually does so he willingly  chooses not to mention source.

Well, at least he can't say he wasn't warned about his behaviour. Many newbies didn't have that privilege, they were instantly reported and soon after banned.

Hello, I swear you will forgive me.
From now on, I will mention it even if I copy a word from a site.
Please take the negative rating from me. I am ready to improve this site.
I hope you forgive me and I try to publish the best articles.

I warned you friendly, but you replied that I should learn to read and how my statement upset you. And now I find you here begging in this thread.

Since it's Sunday, I'll restrain from further comments and just finish with this smiley which describes my feelings exactly: