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[doggywin]

Stop Feeding the House Edge. BE The House.

💰 THE ECONOMY: Two Income Streams

1. The Challenger Tax (Active Income):
2. The Treasury Yield (Holding Income):

This must be ChatGPT. Claude is better at writing.  

CLAIM STATUS:   🏆 $25 Champion: CLAIMED by doggywin
⚡ 15x Early Adopters: AVAILABLE

In the version before there was a weekend champion... Is that gone? It was 10x $5 champions and $25 for weekend champion

In the earlier version it was written in a way one person could be champion more than once and claim prize more than once?  But now 15x early adopters make it 15 different individuals?

[SatCipher.com]

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I appreciate that you are taking feedback seriously. One more thing I would like to suggest you (since you might not be familiar with this) to not use AI chatbots while replying to criticisms/suggestions here. Usage of AI chatbots is disrespectful to the thoughtful inputs of wise members here.  
I would like to keep it human to human, hope you will get this positively.

Thank you for the additional input, memehunter.

We definitely value thoughtful input from community members like yourself, and we are paying close attention to every piece of feedback regarding the game mechanics and economy.

Regarding your suggestion on communication—we appreciate the advice and where you're coming from. For our part, we aim to provide the clearest, most comprehensive, and timely responses possible to keep the conversation moving and ensure transparency for all users. We prioritize substance and clarity in our answers above all else.

We hope you understand and focus on the ongoing discussion about Satoshi's Cipher itself!

[khaled0111]

Welcome to bitcointalk, SatCipher!
I don’t know but the website theme seems familiar and the domain name always rings a bell!
I read TypoTonic’s reply and indeed they had another announcement thread but that’s not why they seem so familiar. I’m pretty sure I came across this website or mybe another one that is almost identical to it somewhere else!

[SatCipher.com]

Welcome to bitcointalk, SatCipher!
I don’t know but the website theme seems familiar and the domain name always rings a bell!
I read TypoTonic’s reply and indeed they had another announcement thread but that’s not why they seem so familiar. I’m pretty sure I came across this website or mybe another one that is almost identical to it somewhere else!

Thank you for the warm welcome, khaled0111!

It's great to hear that the name and theme are memorable—we'll take that as a positive!

We can definitely understand why the design might feel familiar. The core concept of setting a secret pattern and having opponents guess it is inspired by classic logic puzzles (like Mastermind), which is an evergreen mechanic, and our initial design aimed for a clean, crypto-familiar look.

However, Satoshi's Cipher is a unique implementation. The key difference is the King-of-the-Hill PvP economy—where the Champion collects 90% of the challenge fees and earns a Treasury Yield. This ensures you are always playing against a human opponent, not the house algorithm.

We are fully committed to this project long-term and invite you to dive in and see how our specific ruleset and economy create a completely new dynamic!

👉 See the Live Action

[TypoTonic]

Regarding your old account: since you no longer have the password and account recovery wasn’t implemented in the earlier build, the simplest solution is to create a new account. Once you do, just DM me your new username and I will manually credit you with the sats from the previous giveaway. I’m happy to honor it.

Thanks, I have received the sats in my new account. I tried to guess the pattern and somehow got 1/3 and 2/3 in my first and second attempts, it was a great opportunity but I failed to take advantage of it. Unfortunately for me, I wasn't able to guess it correctly within 6 attempts, but I do know the pattern now.

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I appreciate that you are taking feedback seriously. One more thing I would like to suggest you (since you might not be familiar with this) to not use AI chatbots while replying to criticisms/suggestions here. Usage of AI chatbots is disrespectful to the thoughtful inputs of wise members here.   
I would like to keep it human to human, hope you will get this positively.

Seems like they're still using AI chatbots to generate responses despite the warning.

[doggywin]

Regarding your old account: since you no longer have the password and account recovery wasn’t implemented in the earlier build, the simplest solution is to create a new account. Once you do, just DM me your new username and I will manually credit you with the sats from the previous giveaway. I’m happy to honor it.

Thanks, I have received the sats in my new account. I tried to guess the pattern and somehow got 1/3 and 2/3 in my first and second attempts, it was a great opportunity but I failed to take advantage of it. Unfortunately for me, I wasn't able to guess it correctly within 6 attempts, but I do know the pattern now.

I got 3,800 sats from your challenges. Thanks 

[Haunebu]

AI responses? Really op? This just made me lose what little interest I had in your site to begin with since you are clearly insulting the intelligence of some of the posters in this particular thread.

Responding in such a manner itself is disrespectful and continuing to do so even after being warned is worse. Avoid this site people.

[doggywin]

AI responses? Really op? This just made me lose what little interest I had in your site to begin with since you are clearly insulting the intelligence of some of the posters in this particular thread.

Responding in such a manner itself is disrespectful and continuing to do so even after being warned is worse. Avoid this site people.

What does them using some AI got to do with insulting intelligence? You are too old fashioned

It is not disrespectful. But I didn't like how the terms of the giveaway was changed mid-way and that my post asking about that was skipped when I am actually interested in the game, and while they answer yours when you clearly have no interest in the game, not a player, and writes nonsense like this:

I like the whole concept, but this isn't something new or anything op since it's just like other casino games such as mines with a different skin. The site interface is very unorganized and needs a lot of work.

This whole passive earning strategy seems good on paper, but liquidity is the big issue here. All the best with your project.

@SatCipher.com I think you should add USDT or easy to use LN wallets (like https://coinos.io/) so that deposit and withdrawal is more accessible

[AmoreJaz]

Welcome to bitcointalk, SatCipher!
I don’t know but the website theme seems familiar and the domain name always rings a bell!
I read TypoTonic’s reply and indeed they had another announcement thread but that’s not why they seem so familiar. I’m pretty sure I came across this website or mybe another one that is almost identical to it somewhere else!

If there's some site similar to them, what they can do is think how they can sustain the interest of their players. Because the truth is - with this type of casino, would be a challenge to maintain their operations. As usually, the interest is only at the beginning, and later on, would be very difficult to gain regular players and so they may encounter problems in terms of operational costs.

[SatCipher.com]

In the version before there was a weekend champion... Is that gone? ... But I didn't like how the terms of the giveaway was changed mid-way and that my post asking about that was skipped...

@doggywin — My apologies for missing your specific question regarding the giveaway structure. You are valuable to this thread, and I want to clarify this immediately:

Giveaway Update:
Yes, we restructured the prize pool. Originally, we had a "Weekend Warrior" prize ($25) for the longest hold. However, looking at the current game state, we realized that with one dominant Champion (you), a "longest hold" prize would essentially result in duplicate rewards for the same person.

To make the launch fairer and encourage new challengers to step into the ring, we took that $25 allocation and converted it into 5 additional "Early Adopter" prizes ($5 each).
* Old Structure: 10x $5 prizes + 1x $25 Weekend prize.
* New Structure: 15x $5 prizes (Plus the original First Champion prize).

Reminder: As stated in the OP, there is a limit of one bounty per user.

AI responses? Really op? ... Responding in such a manner itself is disrespectful...

To the community regarding communication style:

I want to make a blanket statement to address the meta-discussion regarding my writing style so we can return to discussing the platform itself.

I utilize drafting tools to ensure my communication is clear, accurate, and structured. This is a choice made for efficiency and to ensure that complex game mechanics are explained fairly and without ambiguity.

This has absolutely no bearing on the operational integrity, code security, or solvency of Satoshi's Cipher.

My goal is to run a smooth platform and provide clear answers. No disrespect is intended toward the intelligence of this board; in fact, I use these tools specifically to provide the high-quality, structured responses that this community deserves.

If this communication style is a dealbreaker for you, I respect your decision to move on. However, for those interested in the game mechanics, I am here to answer any questions.

...with this type of casino, would be a challenge to maintain their operations. As usually, the interest is only at the beginning...

@AmoreJaz — This is a valid observation for standard casinos, but Satoshi's Cipher operates differently.

We are not looking for mass adoption. We do not need thousands of users to sustain operations. This is a niche Logic/PvP game. The economy is designed to function with a small, dedicated circle of players who understand the value of the "Throne" and the logic required to take it.

As long as there are two people—one holding the throne and one wanting it—the game functions as intended.

Current Status:

• Giveaway spots are still open.
• Champion is still collecting taxes.

[nutildah]

What does them using some AI got to do with insulting intelligence?

Its an insult if they pretended they don't rely on a robot to think for them, but at least they admitted it. Its also an insult if they think we appreciate being talked to by a robot. I'm almost impressed by how perfectly useless yet cordial their lip service is:

Regarding your suggestion on communication—we appreciate the advice and where you're coming from. For our part, we aim to provide the clearest, most comprehensive, and timely responses possible to keep the conversation moving and ensure transparency for all users. We prioritize substance and clarity in our answers above all else.

I feel like I already paid for some product and am now having second doubts about it, and I haven't even opened the website yet.

Back in the days of ICOs, it was very easy to get away with plagiarism, just copying a project word-for-word, changing the name, and launching it as a token. It was so commonplace that plagiarism became synonymous with "scam" on the forum. A plagiarized white paper suggests a low effort project cobbled together for the sake of ripping off investors, with no serious intention of ever delivering on its promises. And this is exactly how such projects panned out, 100% of the time.

Copy/pasting AI output without crediting it as such is akin to plagiarism, and much like a plagiarized white paper, suggestive of a low-effort project that is not meant to succeed.

OP you can insist on continuing to communicate like this but its a bad move from a business standpoint. Just letting you know now.

[SatCipher.com]

Hello everyone,

I didn't expect so much resistance for using AI to help me respond here. As I mentioned earlier, I meant no disrespect. I am a developer, not a writer and sometimes these tools can help me be more efficient.

I will refrain from using such tools from now on, I am genuinely curious about where this project could go. I want to see it thrive. I believe it's something unique and new. 



If anyone has any questions or would like to claim on of the 15x $5 bonuses, please let me know.

I would welcome genuine feedback and ideas to attract the right type of player for this platform.



Thank you for your interest,

--SatCipher

[khaled0111]

I just noticed you changed the topic title. I don’t know why you did this, but I don’t think it was a good move as the new title makes it sound like this thread is a discussion more than an announcement thread where the main aim is to promote and advertise your service.
The title of an announcement thread should contain the name of the service but, for some reason, you decided to remove it! Can you tell us why you did that?

By the way, you did the right thing by listening to members’ recommendations and deciding to stop using ai. I, personally, appreciate that!

[nutildah]

Thanks for your consideration and I don't blame you if you want to try again in a different thread.

[doggywin]

Defeated sim2 Got lucky in 8 moves!

I earned 17,134 sats from 3,500 sats  With this much profit I will be able to buy an entire cup of coffee for the doggy

[The Cryptovator]

Most crypto games are You vs. Algorithm. The algorithm always wins eventually.
Satoshi's Cipher is You vs. Another Human.

At this point I agree with you. Unless there are algorithms, then most likely the casino won't make money. So yes, it's kind of human vs. algorithm unless it's a real-life casino. But I am struggling to get how you are going to bypass the typical system. Each of the gambling sites is here to make money, not to make gamblers rich. Human vs. human sounds look like P2P games that seem not very popular, and there are a lot of sites that exist. Let's see if you can occupy the market.

I am more curious about how you are going to expand your platform. One of the most important things is marketing. Since your platform is quite different from a typical casino, how are you going to draw attention from the real gamblers? Otherwise you have to struggle to survive with your concept.

[john_egbert]

Hello everyone,

I didn't expect so much resistance for using AI to help me respond here. As I mentioned earlier, I meant no disrespect. I am a developer, not a writer and sometimes these tools can help me be more efficient.

I will refrain from using such tools from now on, I am genuinely curious about where this project could go. I want to see it thrive. I believe it's something unique and new. 



If anyone has any questions or would like to claim on of the 15x $5 bonuses, please let me know.

I would welcome genuine feedback and ideas to attract the right type of player for this platform.



Thank you for your interest,

--SatCipher

What would be the - right type - for you?

[internetional]

If there's some site similar to them, what they can do is think how they can sustain the interest of their players. Because the truth is - with this type of casino, would be a challenge to maintain their operations. As usually, the interest is only at the beginning, and later on, would be very difficult to gain regular players and so they may encounter problems in terms of operational costs.

Is this really meant to be a mass-market product? The developer chose Bitcoin, which not everyone holds - most people use USDT nowadays. On top of that, they’re using Lightning as the transport layer, which narrows the potential audience even further. To me, the project is clearly very niche.

[SatCipher.com]

Defeated sim2 Got lucky in 8 moves!

I earned 17,134 sats from 3,500 sats  With this much profit I will be able to buy an entire cup of coffee for the doggy

Congratulations on your winnings! Thank you for engaging with the platform! May your earnings as champion continue to increase!

Most crypto games are You vs. Algorithm. The algorithm always wins eventually.
Satoshi's Cipher is You vs. Another Human.

At this point I agree with you. Unless there are algorithms, then most likely the casino won't make money. So yes, it's kind of human vs. algorithm unless it's a real-life casino. But I am struggling to get how you are going to bypass the typical system. Each of the gambling sites is here to make money, not to make gamblers rich. Human vs. human sounds look like P2P games that seem not very popular, and there are a lot of sites that exist. Let's see if you can occupy the market.

I am more curious about how you are going to expand your platform. One of the most important things is marketing. Since your platform is quite different from a typical casino, how are you going to draw attention from the real gamblers? Otherwise you have to struggle to survive with your concept.

The platform is extremely cheap to run, making my need for profit not that high. We do have a 2.5% platform fee which I believe is fair and enough to keep things running for the player base.

The site works, doggywin has demonstrated profitablity. I'm not looking for a huge market, just players who see something new and want to participate.

The platform evolves with time and we don't need thousands of players. Just players who enjoy the concept and realize the earnings steams.

If there's some site similar to them, what they can do is think how they can sustain the interest of their players. Because the truth is - with this type of casino, would be a challenge to maintain their operations. As usually, the interest is only at the beginning, and later on, would be very difficult to gain regular players and so they may encounter problems in terms of operational costs.

Is this really meant to be a mass-market product? The developer chose Bitcoin, which not everyone holds - most people use USDT nowadays. On top of that, they’re using Lightning as the transport layer, which narrows the potential audience even further. To me, the project is clearly very niche.

No, this is not a mass market produc, nor does it need to be to perform. It's a niche platform. I am considering adding other deposit options. LNbtc is convenient for speed.

Thanks for the feedback everyone

[SatCipher.com]

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