Can we Trust the Trust System ?

[newIndia]

i can tell you very recently, a person going by the name of joksim299, put neg trust on us and then offered to remove it for .01 btc. so that leaves the door open for blackmail. The trust system is totally floored and it needs to go.  It causes more trouble than what it is worth.

So?  His feedback is useless if his trust is not positive.  If this joksim person has any kind of positive trust and is blackmailing you, post the info here and other trusted members will make sure his trust does not remain positive.

Trust system works.

Does it ? I mentioned in my opening post how zackclark70 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=121108) has abused the trust system. I would request u to cross-verify my description at your end. As per your statement, he should be on -ve trust now. But, is he ?

[BadBear]

Thanks, I've removed yours. If you're no longer participating in trolling the trust system, I have no problem with you.

Same, removed mine too.

What about removing people abusing the trust system, from default trust? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=63170

Zillions is *not* a part of DefaultTrust, he is simply on CanaryInTheMine's Trust list. CanaryInTheMine himself is part of DefaultTrust so you could contact himabout this and he might decide to drop Zillions off his Trust list. But try contacting Zillions first.

BTW, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=413803.msg4489024#msg4489024

I leave this quote as mod advice about manipulating trust.
Of course, it is better to remove the description of the real deal and leave negative trust feedback to person for expressing his opinions.
Hypocrites!
 

I'm pretty good at deciphering pseudo english, but this is just gibberish. I do detect some butthurt though.

[Bicknellski]

Why would you trust any system when making a decision on spending your money or risking your property?

I think you can gain some insight into how people do business through such a system but it should not be your only factor when deciding to deal with people.

NEVER TRUST ANYONE HERE NO MATTER THEIR REPUTATION!

That is the only rule you need to go by. It especially goes for bitcoin exchanges and asic hardware manufactures etc etc etc and specifically BFL.

[rohnearner]

Trust System is very much required tool on this Forum

Can someone exploit it : Yes very Easily

Do we need some Changes in Trust Sys : Yeah

at the end use your own brains before trusting someone based on his trust rating..! someone can gain fake Positive Trust and a trusted member can get Negative Trust..!

[hilariousandco]

What would be a better solution for a safer option?  I think it's better that we have a trusted list and putting certain long-standing and (apparently) more trustable people on it is beneficial, but it can also be easily abused and taken advantage of and the people on the trusted list can sometimes seem to have a mafia-like rule over it whether unspoken and enforced or not, but I can't think of a way that would be foolproof. It reminds me of the trouble with the old style feedback on eBay where the seller could also leave feedback. If the buyer left negative feedback for whatever reason then the favour was usually just quickly returned.

[CounterEntropy]

What this Trust system is all about ? I see I have 0 Trust !!!

I'm new here... so all of u categorized me someone of zero trust ?

[counter]

The trust is gauged by other on the forum who have dealt with you or have founding a posts of yours to be significant and worth giving you a positive rep for.  If you don't have a positive trust rating it does not mean that your not trustworthy is just means that nobody has decided to vouch for you so to speak, simple as that.

[forever21]

give a positive feedback to people who can show the real deal that they have been thru show the real reference if there is not then it cant be trusted

[Lauda]

What this Trust system is all about ? I see I have 0 Trust !!!

I'm new here... so all of u categorized me someone of zero trust ?

Zero trust is like neutral. You aren't someone who people can trust or who people shouldn't trust. It takes time to earn trust. I wouldn't solely rely on the trust system, although it can be helpful at times.

[BadBear]

I was just wondering, how come when I leave
trust for others, it shows as "trusted" feedback
and affects their score...but my own trust
score is 0/0?

Because you are using default trust, due to never having changed it, and the people leavimg you feedback aren't on it.  Make your own trust list and add them to it if you want to see their feedback as trusted.

[hilariousandco]

I was just wondering, how come when I leave
trust for others, it shows as "trusted" feedback
and affects their score...but my own trust
score is 0/0?

Because you consider yourself as 'trusted' that's why it shows up there. To everyone else you will be in the untrusted section though (unless, as Badbear said, they have you on their trusted list).

[DiamondCardz]

The Trust System works fine, but one of the things I have a beef with is where people who CLEARLY have no idea how to handle DefaultTrust get onto DefaultTrust. A prime example of this is LittleD - I can appreciate his/her intentions - they're good (personally I think Inaba is a scumbag too) - but holy crap LittleD enjoys trust spam. It takes ages to even find negative feedback left by others on Inaba, for instance, because there must be 10+ negative feedback consisting of "SCAmmer" repeated over and over left on him just by LittleD.

Seriously - look at that Sent Feedback. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=144519

IMHO the idea of "oh this person participated in a trade/whatever that involved me, let's put them onto DefaultTrust" is terrible. There are people who are trusted by people who have never even left trust on them. This inevitably means that those who have no idea how to use the system get put into a position of power in it.

[Light]

IMHO the idea of "oh this person participated in a trade/whatever that involved me, let's put them onto DefaultTrust" is terrible. There are people who are trusted by people who have never even left trust on them. This inevitably means that those who have no idea how to use the system get put into a position of power in it.

I agree. I personally have issues with this. I see no reason why they can't simply get feedback for the trade rather than being put on the DefaultTrust list. There are a few (not to name names) that seem to have added every person they've ever done a deal with and all it leaves you with is a group of people who don't have feedback but have the power to change what is seen by most people who accept DefaultTrust. I'm not saying that some don't deserve to be there but I cannot believe that every single person on DT is there because they can be trusted rather than simply having completed deals.

That being said, I don't really have a solution to this problem. As it is now, the system makes sense and there really isn't a much better option.

[KWH]

The Trust System works fine, but one of the things I have a beef with is where people who CLEARLY have no idea how to handle DefaultTrust get onto DefaultTrust. A prime example of this is LittleD - I can appreciate his/her intentions - they're good (personally I think Inaba is a scumbag too) - but holy crap LittleD enjoys trust spam. It takes ages to even find negative feedback left by others on Inaba, for instance, because there must be 10+ negative feedback consisting of "SCAmmer" repeated over and over left on him just by LittleD.

Seriously - look at that Sent Feedback. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=144519

IMHO the idea of "oh this person participated in a trade/whatever that involved me, let's put them onto DefaultTrust" is terrible. There are people who are trusted by people who have never even left trust on them. This inevitably means that those who have no idea how to use the system get put into a position of power in it.

Has he been removed? I don't see LittleD on the default list. Maybe I'm blind. 

[DiamondCardz]

He's one of the 195 people under CanaryInTheMine. I'm not particularly surprised that you're unable to find him (it's like looking for a needle in a haystack ), CTRL+F should help you.

[KWH]

He's one of the 195 people under CanaryInTheMine. I'm not particularly surprised that you're unable to find him (it's like looking for a needle in a haystack ), CTRL+F should help you.

I still don't see him or a Trust list under Canaryinthemine? Perhaps that list has been pruned or maybe because I don't use the Default list?

Edit: Yep, I added canaryinthemine and there is a long list. We need to PM him and ask for the list to be pruned.

[DiamondCardz]

Nah, he's still there, on the 2nd depth on DefaultTrust. My trust list is this:

Code:

dooglus
Maged
Vod
Tomatocage
SaltySpitoon
BadBear
KWH
escrow.ms
DefaultTrust

[KWH]

Nah, he's still there, on the 2nd depth on DefaultTrust. My trust list is this:

Code:

dooglus
Maged
Vod
Tomatocage
SaltySpitoon
BadBear
KWH
escrow.ms
DefaultTrust

I don't use Default Trust, that's why. I sent canaryinthemine a PM politely asking him to review and reevaluate his list. It's up to him to change or not.