Can we Trust the Trust System ?

[newIndia]

I just witnessed an incident on board that has significantly affected my trust on the existing Trust system. Please have a look at it...

RitzGrandCasino (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=227066) runs a signature campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=499007.0) that is competitive to Stunna's (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=81292) campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291387.0). Till date RitzGrandCasino has paid all members as per her commitment and there are no complain against him on the board. Same is applicable for Stunna too. Now RitzGrandCasino rates are higher than Stunna and hence Stunna was losing members for his campaign. To counter RitzGrandCasino a dirty game has been played here. zackclark70 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=121108) has left a -ve trust on RitzGrandCasino for a lame reason...

paying people up to 2.6 BTC for posting up to 6500 posts a month for his add campaign spamming up the forum and deleting any negative posts

Interestingly zackclark70 has +ve trust from Stunna.


I'm not master of the Trust system and dont know how it works in details. But false -ve feedback from a trusted member definitely raises concern before making deal with other trusted members on the marketplace. Now I need to know how they gained trust and whether they are trustworthy at all...

[Ryland R. Taylor-Almanza]

It's a helpful tool, but I don't believe it's meant to be the final authoritative representation of whether or not someone is trust-worthy. Make sure to also do your own research, and don't rely on it entirely.

[hilariousandco]

Yeah, I noticed that and it does look a bit suspicious, but the trust system is far from perfect or free from abuse anyway.

[tysat]

It's a helpful tool, but I don't believe it's meant to be the final authoritative representation of whether or not someone is trust-worthy. Make sure to also do your own research, and don't rely on it entirely.

^^ THIS ^^

It's also been said a million times that the trust system is not moderated either, anyone can leave anyone else feedback for whatever reason.  I think the only time that action would be taken is if someone was spamming tons of ratings.  I'm not even sure what would qualify as spam (to theymos as he's the only one who can delete others' ratings) as I think he's letting most of the BFL shenanigans stay up.

[dogie]

What about removing people abusing the trust system, from default trust? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=63170

[hilariousandco]

What about removing people abusing the trust system, from default trust? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=63170

People sometimes remove others if they're abusing it, but you'll have to ask or make the person aware who put them on their trusted list.

[malevolent]

What about removing people abusing the trust system, from default trust? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=63170

Zillions is *not* a part of DefaultTrust, he is simply on CanaryInTheMine's Trust list. CanaryInTheMine himself is part of DefaultTrust so you could contact him about this and he might decide to drop Zillions off his Trust list. But try contacting Zillions first.

BTW, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=413803.msg4489024#msg4489024

[fsb4000]

What about removing people abusing the trust system, from default trust? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=63170

If someone does not agree with the current trust system that does not make he is not trustworthy.
If you do not recognize the problem, it does not mean that there is no problem.

[tysat]

What about removing people abusing the trust system, from default trust? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=63170

If someone does not agree with the current trust system that does not make he is not trustworthy.
If you do not recognize the problem, it does not mean that there is no problem.

Leaving fake feedback makes you not trustworthy

[RitzGrandCasino]

i can tell you very recently, a person going by the name of joksim299, put neg trust on us and then offered to remove it for .01 btc. so that leaves the door open for blackmail. The trust system is totally floored and it needs to go.  It causes more trouble than what it is worth.

[Zillions]

What about removing people abusing the trust system, from default trust? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=63170

If someone does not agree with the current trust system that does not make he is not trustworthy.
If you do not recognize the problem, it does not mean that there is no problem.

Leaving fake feedback makes you not trustworthy

Read my feedback is there anything untruthful?

[Vod]

i can tell you very recently, a person going by the name of joksim299, put neg trust on us and then offered to remove it for .01 btc. so that leaves the door open for blackmail. The trust system is totally floored and it needs to go.  It causes more trouble than what it is worth.

So?  His feedback is useless if his trust is not positive.  If this joksim person has any kind of positive trust and is blackmailing you, post the info here and other trusted members will make sure his trust does not remain positive.

Trust system works.

[CanaryInTheMine]

Trust system is necessary.  Because a few claim to have an issue (for questionable reasons) doesn't mean it's "broken".

Anyone aware of who is involved and their history (including which company they represent)  would arrive at a conclusion that what's happening is inappropriate.

Members of default trust do have a responsibility to make sure those we trust do not abuse the system.

I've contacted zillions to see what resolution he wants.

[Zillions]

Well I'm already at Negative 11 (-11) but I'm pretty sure I'm not ever going to come back to positive.
I've made my point about the system...... So yes I'll remove it.
No need in getting my account banned on this "rebellion."

[fsb4000]

What about removing people abusing the trust system, from default trust? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=63170

Zillions is *not* a part of DefaultTrust, he is simply on CanaryInTheMine's Trust list. CanaryInTheMine himself is part of DefaultTrust so you could contact himabout this and he might decide to drop Zillions off his Trust list. But try contacting Zillions first.

BTW, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=413803.msg4489024#msg4489024

I leave this quote as mod advice about manipulating trust.
Of course, it is better to remove the description of the real deal and leave negative trust feedback to person for expressing his opinions.
Hypocrites!
 

[Zillions]

I have removed Dogies not seeing the delete option for Badbear though

[Edit] NVM found it weird how I have to go into each members trust page to edit feed back I've left.

[btcton]

What about removing people abusing the trust system, from default trust? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=63170

How about removing DefaultTrust?

[Vod]

I have removed Dogies not seeing the delete option for Badbear though

[Edit] NVM found it weird how I have to go into each members trust page to edit feed back I've left.

You have to go into each member's page to leave the trust in the first place.  Don't do it so casually.

[dogie]

I have removed Dogies not seeing the delete option for Badbear though

[Edit] NVM found it weird how I have to go into each members trust page to edit feed back I've left.

Thanks, I've removed yours. If you're no longer participating in trolling the trust system, I have no problem with you.

Was an interesting experiment to see how the system handles people in default trust messing about - system won.

[tysat]

Well I'm already at Negative 11 (-11) but I'm pretty sure I'm not ever going to come back to positive.
I've made my point about the system...... So yes I'll remove it.
No need in getting my account banned on this "rebellion."

The number should be a little lower now, and I'm sure BadBear would reconsider if you PM'd him... you'll find that most of the mods here are reasonable people.  Your account wouldn't be banned for leaving comments using the trust system anyways.