Deposited to mtgox via OKpay Can i claim it?

[MinerLT]

Hello, thank you for contacting OKPAY Support!
Our lawyers are currently investigating this issue. We will keep our clients updated. But when they will keep updated? Never?

i hope soon-ish    life is getting complicated with almost no money in your pocket  i have bills to pay!

[MinerLT]

Reply from okpay support

As you know all OKPAY payments are non-reversible according with our Terms of Service:
https://www.okpay.com/en/company/agreements/terms-of-service.html
OKPAY Inc. and MtGox Co Ltd. Companies have a contractual relationship. The decision to reverse the payments can not be done solely by OKPAY without violating our agreements. However we are working on the solution for this situation. As soon as we resolve this in cooperation with MtGox Co Ltd. we will let our clients know.

Thank you for your patience and understanding.

[TheFootMan]

SEPA transfers are irreversible. You will have to ask the recipient for a refund or go to court and sue for a refund.

I'm not familiar with the details of the SEPA protocol, but in practice a bank can do anything they want with a transfer. Also reverse it, and it has happened numerous times, for instance when the initiating bank has a customer complaining that he did not initiate the transfer (being true or not).

For instance if you're a victim of someone sending money to your account from a stolen account, or someone just claiming that they never autorized the transaction to your account, your bank might shut you down and even report you to the authorities.

So in reality SEPA is fully reversable.

[Serpens66]

SEPA transfers are irreversible. You will have to ask the recipient for a refund or go to court and sue for a refund.

I'm not familiar with the details of the SEPA protocol, but in practice a bank can do anything they want with a transfer. Also reverse it, and it has happened numerous times, for instance when the initiating bank has a customer complaining that he did not initiate the transfer (being true or not).

For instance if you're a victim of someone sending money to your account from a stolen account, or someone just claiming that they never autorized the transaction to your account, your bank might shut you down and even report you to the authorities.

So in reality SEPA is fully reversable.

nope. SEPA is reversable if the funds did not reach the other bank account yet.  If it reached the other bankaccount you need the permission from MtGox in this case.

an example: someone sent me money from a pished bank account. After some months the bank forced me to send the money back. So I had to send the money, they were not able to reverse it and I could have said "no" (but with legal consequences)

[TheFootMan]

an example: someone sent me money from a pished bank account. After some months the bank forced me to send the money back. So I had to send the money, they were not able to reverse it and I could have said "no" (but with legal consequences)

What's the difference in practice?

The bank is bigger, stronger, has more lawyers, more connections - they can force you into basically anything.

So if a SEPA transfer is technically reversible or not is uninteresting, it's the end outcome that's interesting.

Everything is tracked. Who owns an account, where's the money transferred. So it's rather easy to claw it back. Of course, there will always be some escape artists, but usually the bank gets their way. Banks tends to become quite pushy when someone owes them money.

[MinerLT]

Any updates what's going on with okpay

[MinerLT]

is there any news about okpay ??

[User500]

Same question: what's going on with OKpay?

[MinerLT]

they are still working on the solution for this situation

[depechebtc]

they are still working on the solution for this situation

When did you receive that message?

[MinerLT]

they are still working on the solution for this situation

When did you receive that message?

On april 27. They are still working i still believe that i can get my mtgox deposits back

[okpay-action]

Check this thread for OKPAY class action lawsuit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=740210.0

[TheFootMan]

SEPA transfers are irreversible. You will have to ask the recipient for a refund or go to court and sue for a refund.

Not if the bank decide they want to reverse it, then it's very reversable. And you have absolutely nothing to say in that case, unless you're loaded as hell and can afford expensive lawyers, or if you are some 'big name'.

I don't know the technicalities, but even if it's meant not to be technically reversible, the bank always have their way of having things done their way - trust me.