If Ayn Rand never existed Bitcoin might actually be bearable.

[Spendulus]

I have never been to Africa.

Then STFU about it.

What's the matter? Obviously you know about the Internet. Or does somebody else do your posting for you?

Information abounds all over the place. Never heard of libraries?

Ayn Rand is a little like all the rest of us. We complain about the way things should be because of our oppression. But if we were dropped into the control seat, except for the very few of us, we would become just like our oppressors.

Rand was the same. Because of her oppression, and because there was no way for her to get into the control seat, she continued a finely detailed examination of all the things wherein she had been oppressed. What other than the things she examined could she become if she took over? It was her life. She didn't know how to implement the "cures" for her oppression.

You clearly do not know anything about Rand.  There is no need to try to throw comments out about her.  Hell, they might be right every now and then (stopped clocks are).  But why bother?

Rand was a philosopher.  Same as Marx, Engles, Adam Smith.

That's right. And the Russian implementation of the things she examined, the things that oppressed her, collapsed. Neither she nor many others who philosophized about the stuff that should correct the oppression, knew how to implement that stuff. Russia failed on account of not knowing how to make those philosophies work. What it is really called is human nature.

The only reason that Russia is working now is because it adopted the freedom of the United States (at least on the practical outside). The only reason the United States is failing now is that they are throwing away the freedom.

The only reason that Rand talked about it was that she was a talker. Many have talked way better. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson implemented philosophy that worked. Rand couldn't implement anything.

Really, I am suggesting that if you don't know the people of Africa, maybe you shouldn't talk so much about them?  NO, books are not anything close to the same....

Well, Rand predicted fracking, but she didn't know how to implement it.

She predicted micropayments for service (as in roads and other things now done by government) but pre-internet and pre-bitcoin, certainly didn't know how to implement it.

[Beliathon]

When you find a solution to one of these problems you care about so much that doesn't involve exortion or emotional blackmail feel free to post it and I'd be happy to support you.

How do you feel about eating the rich? Not shooting them, just feeding them alive to the millions of starving poor created by their greed.

[BADecker]

When you find a solution to one of these problems you care about so much that doesn't involve exortion or emotional blackmail feel free to post it and I'd be happy to support you.

How do you feel about eating the rich? Not shooting them, just feeding them alive to the millions of starving poor created by their greed.

Fresh meat. More enzymes. Do you get to wash them first?   

[Spendulus]

When you find a solution to one of these problems you care about so much that doesn't involve exortion or emotional blackmail feel free to post it and I'd be happy to support you.

How do you feel about eating the rich? Not shooting them, just feeding them alive to the millions of starving poor created by their greed.

Look, if your business model was barbecue sauce...

[Lethn]

When you find a solution to one of these problems you care about so much that doesn't involve exortion or emotional blackmail feel free to post it and I'd be happy to support you.

How do you feel about eating the rich? Not shooting them, just feeding them alive to the millions of starving poor created by their greed.

That's even worse, nice work, you're saying to the poor they should essentially become cannabals? Nah, also, blaming the rich is a tired old tactic used by anti-capitalists to create a scapegoat rather than actually fix the problem and frankly, everyone knows what's causing the huge cap between the rich and the poor, it's hyperinflation. However everybody's too happy with the current system at the moment of screwing over their children in order to get a fancy house to care.

[Snail2]

When you find a solution to one of these problems you care about so much that doesn't involve exortion or emotional blackmail feel free to post it and I'd be happy to support you.

How do you feel about eating the rich? Not shooting them, just feeding them alive to the millions of starving poor created by their greed.

I know a couple of rich people who was working really hard for decades to get rich. Some of them was even working at night too just to get some job done for the deadline, some of them kept working almost all day on some designs or inventions. In the same time "the poor" was hanging around the pub and kept joking on these blokes. Finally these guys got (sometimes extremely) rich and now "the poor" in the pub condemning them for being bloodsucking capitalist.

[Lethn]

When you find a solution to one of these problems you care about so much that doesn't involve exortion or emotional blackmail feel free to post it and I'd be happy to support you.

How do you feel about eating the rich? Not shooting them, just feeding them alive to the millions of starving poor created by their greed.

I know a couple of rich people who was working really hard for decades to get rich. Some of them was even working at night too just to get some job done for the deadline, some of them kept working almost all day on some designs or inventions. In the same time "the poor" was hanging around the pub and kept joking on these blokes. Finally these guys got (sometimes extremely) rich and now "the poor" in the pub condemning them for being bloodsucking capitalist.

That is precisely why I'm getting fed up of the anti-capitalist rhetoric, not all rich people are con-artists, some are just either incredibly lucky or have worked very hard to get where they are, adding to that, to try and get rid of capitalism you're trying to get rid of basic mathematics and that's about as impossible as trying to defy the laws of physics.

[Snail2]

That is precisely why I'm getting fed up of the anti-capitalist rhetoric, not all rich people are con-artists, some are just either incredibly lucky or have worked very hard to get where they are, adding to that, to try and get rid of capitalism you're trying to get rid of basic mathematics and that's about as impossible as trying to defy the laws of physics.

As I grown up in one of the so called commie states I've seen how the economy felt apart from the very bottom to the top because of the lack of the very basic maths and psychology. The marxist economy is destined to fail by design. IMO those hard working first and second generation "capitalists" used to move the world forward.

[Lethn]

That is precisely why I'm getting fed up of the anti-capitalist rhetoric, not all rich people are con-artists, some are just either incredibly lucky or have worked very hard to get where they are, adding to that, to try and get rid of capitalism you're trying to get rid of basic mathematics and that's about as impossible as trying to defy the laws of physics.

As I grown up in one of the so called commie states I've seen how the economy felt apart from the very bottom to the top because of the lack of the very basic maths and psychology. The marxist economy is destined to fail by design. IMO those hard working first and second generation "capitalists" used to move the world forward.

Exactly, you can't just dismiss mathematics, I learned this a long time ago, when Marxists and Communists have a mathematical solution to the problems they perceive with Capitalism I'll gladly listen to them, because until then they're just whining. That said, I do think that anti-austerity protestors and the like are worse because they just want this bullshit to continue and only care about themselves, they're the most selfish ones of all because even if they economy is destroyed as long as they get their pensions and pay they're happy, but mainly, it's just the pensions they give a fuck about.

[Snail2]

Exactly, you can't just dismiss mathematics, I learned this a long time ago, when Marxists and Communists have a mathematical solution to the problems they perceive with Capitalism I'll gladly listen to them, because until then they're just whining. That said, I do think that anti-austerity protestors and the like are worse because they just want this bullshit to continue and only care about themselves, they're the most selfish ones of all because even if they economy is destroyed as long as they get their pensions and pay they're happy, but mainly, it's just the pensions they give a fuck about.

Very true. I think every sensible housewife could tell to the politicians what to do when the family income isn't enough. Yes, get a better job, or get a second work, but until that's done immediate austerity measures are needed to keep things floating. (Of course banksters are offering an alternative by using credit cards and keep spending happily, but everyone with some minimal common sense knows how that will end.) According to my past experience only the kids used to make anti-austerity protests and supporting the use of credit cards...

[AtheistAKASaneBrain]

Ayn Rand has been deprecated by contemporary philosophers and thinkers such as Sam Harris, more worth reading than A.R.

[Lethn]

Exactly, you can't just dismiss mathematics, I learned this a long time ago, when Marxists and Communists have a mathematical solution to the problems they perceive with Capitalism I'll gladly listen to them, because until then they're just whining. That said, I do think that anti-austerity protestors and the like are worse because they just want this bullshit to continue and only care about themselves, they're the most selfish ones of all because even if they economy is destroyed as long as they get their pensions and pay they're happy, but mainly, it's just the pensions they give a fuck about.

Very true. I think every sensible housewife could tell to the politicians what to do when the family income isn't enough. Yes, get a better job, or get a second work, but until that's done immediate austerity measures are needed to keep things floating. (Of course banksters are offering an alternative by using credit cards and keep spending happily, but everyone with some minimal common sense knows how that will end.) According to my past experience only the kids used to make anti-austerity protests and supporting the use of credit cards...

Kids know that they're the ones who are going to have to pay for everything if the anti-austerity protestors have their way, that's why most of the protestors out there are all old or middle-aged, the rest are Anarchists etc. who are pissed off that they're being shafted so the older generation doesn't have to deal with the consequences. This kind of thing is precisely why I support cryptocurrencies, any money I get is not going to get robbed by people who want it now so they can spend it on whatever the hell they like, when these guys are going to honestly pay for the healthcare and pensions that they want then they'll get my money.

[Spendulus]

Ayn Rand has been deprecated by contemporary philosophers and thinkers such as Sam Harris, more worth reading than A.R.

Not at all.  Harris focuses on different things.  Some of his ideas are totally wacko.

Columnist Madeleine Bunting quotes Harris from his book The End of Faith: "Some propositions are so dangerous that it may even be ethical to kill people for believing them."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Harris

[ElectricMucus]

Almost everything is more worth reading than Ayn Rand, and comparing one delusional bullshit to another isn't helping either.

Exactly, you can't just dismiss mathematics, I learned this a long time ago, when Marxists and Communists have a mathematical solution to the problems they perceive with Capitalism I'll gladly listen to them, because until then they're just whining. That said, I do think that anti-austerity protestors and the like are worse because they just want this bullshit to continue and only care about themselves, they're the most selfish ones of all because even if they economy is destroyed as long as they get their pensions and pay they're happy, but mainly, it's just the pensions they give a fuck about.

Very true. I think every sensible housewife could tell to the politicians what to do when the family income isn't enough. Yes, get a better job, or get a second work, but until that's done immediate austerity measures are needed to keep things floating. (Of course banksters are offering an alternative by using credit cards and keep spending happily, but everyone with some minimal common sense knows how that will end.) According to my past experience only the kids used to make anti-austerity protests and supporting the use of credit cards...

Kids know that they're the ones who are going to have to pay for everything if the anti-austerity protestors have their way, that's why most of the protestors out there are all old or middle-aged, the rest are Anarchists etc. who are pissed off that they're being shafted so the older generation doesn't have to deal with the consequences. This kind of thing is precisely why I support cryptocurrencies, any money I get is not going to get robbed by people who want it now so they can spend it on whatever the hell they like, when these guys are going to honestly pay for the healthcare and pensions that they want then they'll get my money.

Not everybody who dismisses Anarcho-Capitalism or even Randroids is a communist. It's more like that very few people actually don't get the difference between idealogical extremism and practical politics. In particular the difference is people who payed attention in school during political education classes and ones who get their ideology from fringe books.  

[Spendulus]

Almost everything is more worth reading than Ayn Rand, and comparing one delusional bullshit to another isn't helping either.

Exactly, you can't just dismiss mathematics, I learned this a long time ago, when Marxists and Communists have a mathematical solution to the problems they perceive with Capitalism I'll gladly listen to them, because until then they're just whining. That said, I do think that anti-austerity protestors and the like are worse because they just want this bullshit to continue and only care about themselves, they're the most selfish ones of all because even if they economy is destroyed as long as they get their pensions and pay they're happy, but mainly, it's just the pensions they give a fuck about.

Very true. I think every sensible housewife could tell to the politicians what to do when the family income isn't enough. Yes, get a better job, or get a second work, but until that's done immediate austerity measures are needed to keep things floating. (Of course banksters are offering an alternative by using credit cards and keep spending happily, but everyone with some minimal common sense knows how that will end.) According to my past experience only the kids used to make anti-austerity protests and supporting the use of credit cards...

Kids know that they're the ones who are going to have to pay for everything if the anti-austerity protestors have their way, that's why most of the protestors out there are all old or middle-aged, the rest are Anarchists etc. who are pissed off that they're being shafted so the older generation doesn't have to deal with the consequences. This kind of thing is precisely why I support cryptocurrencies, any money I get is not going to get robbed by people who want it now so they can spend it on whatever the hell they like, when these guys are going to honestly pay for the healthcare and pensions that they want then they'll get my money.

Not everybody who dismisses Anarcho-Capitalism or even Randroids is a communist. It's more like that very few people actually don't get the difference between idealogical extremism and practical politics. In particular the difference is people who payed attention in school during political education classes and ones who get their ideology from fringe books.  

Well, you started off saying things that although opposite from my opinions, seemed reasonably rational, and then I hit the bolded part....

[TheButterZone]

Ayn Rand has been deprecated by contemporary philosophers and thinkers such as Sam Harris, more worth reading than A.R.

Not at all.  Harris focuses on different things.  Some of his ideas are totally wacko.

Columnist Madeleine Bunting quotes Harris from his book The End of Faith: "Some propositions are so dangerous that it may even be ethical to kill people for believing them."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Harris

What propositions were those? That anyone without blue eyes and blonde hair should be disarmed & exterminated? That anyone who isn't Caucasian should be disarmed & enslaved?

[ElectricMucus]

Almost everything is more worth reading than Ayn Rand, and comparing one delusional bullshit to another isn't helping either.

Exactly, you can't just dismiss mathematics, I learned this a long time ago, when Marxists and Communists have a mathematical solution to the problems they perceive with Capitalism I'll gladly listen to them, because until then they're just whining. That said, I do think that anti-austerity protestors and the like are worse because they just want this bullshit to continue and only care about themselves, they're the most selfish ones of all because even if they economy is destroyed as long as they get their pensions and pay they're happy, but mainly, it's just the pensions they give a fuck about.

Very true. I think every sensible housewife could tell to the politicians what to do when the family income isn't enough. Yes, get a better job, or get a second work, but until that's done immediate austerity measures are needed to keep things floating. (Of course banksters are offering an alternative by using credit cards and keep spending happily, but everyone with some minimal common sense knows how that will end.) According to my past experience only the kids used to make anti-austerity protests and supporting the use of credit cards...

Kids know that they're the ones who are going to have to pay for everything if the anti-austerity protestors have their way, that's why most of the protestors out there are all old or middle-aged, the rest are Anarchists etc. who are pissed off that they're being shafted so the older generation doesn't have to deal with the consequences. This kind of thing is precisely why I support cryptocurrencies, any money I get is not going to get robbed by people who want it now so they can spend it on whatever the hell they like, when these guys are going to honestly pay for the healthcare and pensions that they want then they'll get my money.

Not everybody who dismisses Anarcho-Capitalism or even Randroids is a communist. It's more like that very few people actually don't get the difference between idealogical extremism and practical politics. In particular the difference is people who payed attention in school during political education classes and ones who get their ideology from fringe books.  

Well, you started off saying things that although opposite from my opinions, seemed reasonably rational, and then I hit the bolded part....

yeah I'm a pretty evil statist troll, continue to think of schools as indoctrination centers and go stock up on green tip ammo, just in case.

[Snail2]

Columnist Madeleine Bunting quotes Harris from his book The End of Faith: "Some propositions are so dangerous that it may even be ethical to kill people for believing them."

He seems to got quite close to some of those dangerous propositions . Ironic...

[Spendulus]

Almost everything is more worth reading than Ayn Rand, and comparing one delusional bullshit to another isn't helping either.

Exactly, you can't just dismiss mathematics, I learned this a long time ago, when Marxists and Communists have a mathematical solution to the problems they perceive with Capitalism I'll gladly listen to them, because until then they're just whining. That said, I do think that anti-austerity protestors and the like are worse because they just want this bullshit to continue and only care about themselves, they're the most selfish ones of all because even if they economy is destroyed as long as they get their pensions and pay they're happy, but mainly, it's just the pensions they give a fuck about.

Very true. I think every sensible housewife could tell to the politicians what to do when the family income isn't enough. Yes, get a better job, or get a second work, but until that's done immediate austerity measures are needed to keep things floating. (Of course banksters are offering an alternative by using credit cards and keep spending happily, but everyone with some minimal common sense knows how that will end.) According to my past experience only the kids used to make anti-austerity protests and supporting the use of credit cards...

Kids know that they're the ones who are going to have to pay for everything if the anti-austerity protestors have their way, that's why most of the protestors out there are all old or middle-aged, the rest are Anarchists etc. who are pissed off that they're being shafted so the older generation doesn't have to deal with the consequences. This kind of thing is precisely why I support cryptocurrencies, any money I get is not going to get robbed by people who want it now so they can spend it on whatever the hell they like, when these guys are going to honestly pay for the healthcare and pensions that they want then they'll get my money.

Not everybody who dismisses Anarcho-Capitalism or even Randroids is a communist. It's more like that very few people actually don't get the difference between idealogical extremism and practical politics. In particular the difference is people who payed attention in school during political education classes and ones who get their ideology from fringe books.  

Well, you started off saying things that although opposite from my opinions, seemed reasonably rational, and then I hit the bolded part....

yeah I'm a pretty evil statist troll, continue to think of schools as indoctrination centers and go stock up on green tip ammo, just in case.

I guess "paying attention" could be interpreted a variety of ways....

[GreekBitcoin]

When you find a solution to one of these problems you care about so much that doesn't involve exortion or emotional blackmail feel free to post it and I'd be happy to support you.

How do you feel about eating the rich? Not shooting them, just feeding them alive to the millions of starving poor created by their greed.

I know a couple of rich people who was working really hard for decades to get rich. Some of them was even working at night too just to get some job done for the deadline, some of them kept working almost all day on some designs or inventions. In the same time "the poor" was hanging around the pub and kept joking on these blokes. Finally these guys got (sometimes extremely) rich and now "the poor" in the pub condemning them for being bloodsucking capitalist.

That is precisely why I'm getting fed up of the anti-capitalist rhetoric, not all rich people are con-artists, some are just either incredibly lucky or have worked very hard to get where they are, adding to that, to try and get rid of capitalism you're trying to get rid of basic mathematics and that's about as impossible as trying to defy the laws of physics.

>>have worked very hard to get where they are

Any examples of people who got rich without manipulating/scamming/controlling others? Without doing illegal/immoral things?

As for the mathematics, i dont know man, mathematics clearly show that debts cant be paid back
Mathematics also pretty clearly point out that in order for someone to have gains others will need to have a loss.

And please define the "not all rich people are con-artists". Because if 90% of them are, then you can pretty much show a nice correlation...