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March 05, 2013, 08:58:04 AM |
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I am not suggesting, I am making a clear statement that I do not believe anyone that ordered an ASIC miner (from BFL or Avalon) will ever receive it. "Jeff" and the "foundation" appear to be low quality fake "evidence".
MangoJ will deny the existence of ASIC miners until the cows come home, and then he'll deny the existence of both the cows and the ASICs. The post count on YouTube is not a source of trust any more than donator status on Bitcointalk is. |
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crazyates
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March 05, 2013, 02:15:18 PM |
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I am not suggesting, I am making a clear statement that I do not believe anyone that ordered an ASIC miner (from BFL or Avalon) will ever receive it. "Jeff" and the "foundation" appear to be low quality fake "evidence". I see zero "normal" people with youtube accounts that were not created in 1 day with 1 low quality video (IE the "foundation").
Where are the people that have been on youtube for over a month, showing these off?
Please tell me if I am wrong, I would love to see that BFL didn't commit mail fraud.. (again. He is on probation for mail fraud in the past.)
Umm have you seen the network recently? ASICMiner has come online, with several TH/s of hashpower. Several other pools have shown drastic increase in hashpower, as users point their ASICs toward them (Esp Ozcoin as of recently). As far as BFL is concerned, who said anything about mail fraud? That doesn't even make sense. Kano (a very prominent member here on the forums, and one of the programmers for CGMiner) recently visited the BFL campus, and basically said he left there with zero concerns about them being a scam. You have 10 posts, clearly don't know what you're talking about, and you look like an ostrich with your head in the sand. |
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March 06, 2013, 01:07:30 AM |
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But you are correct. ASICs are effortless, free money for the masses.. Praise Be!
That would be something. Amazing even, if ASIC miners were even real.  Are you suggesting, that the ASIC's are a lie? I am not suggesting, I am making a clear statement that I do not believe anyone that ordered an ASIC miner (from BFL or Avalon) will ever receive it. "Jeff" and the "foundation" appear to be low quality fake "evidence". I see zero "normal" people with youtube accounts that were not created in 1 day with 1 low quality video (IE the "foundation"). Where are the people that have been on youtube for over a month, showing these off? Please tell me if I am wrong, I would love to see that BFL didn't commit mail fraud.. (again. He is on probation for mail fraud in the past.) LOL Newbs showing up calling bitcoin founders liars. Now there's a credibility gap. There is evidence of ASIC mining gear hitting the network all around you. Just open your eyes and you will see it. Search for the words Avalon and ASICMiner as both have ASIC gear hashing at this time. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.2160https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=147936.0https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140539.0 |
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opentoe
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March 06, 2013, 02:46:25 AM |
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But you are correct. ASICs are effortless, free money for the masses.. Praise Be!
That would be something. Amazing even, if ASIC miners were even real. Are you suggesting, that the ASIC's are a lie? I am not suggesting, I am making a clear statement that I do not believe anyone that ordered an ASIC miner (from BFL or Avalon) will ever receive it. "Jeff" and the "foundation" appear to be low quality fake "evidence". I see zero "normal" people with youtube accounts that were not created in 1 day with 1 low quality video (IE the "foundation"). Where are the people that have been on youtube for over a month, showing these off? Please tell me if I am wrong, I would love to see that BFL didn't commit mail fraud.. (again. He is on probation for mail fraud in the past.) Can you elaborate this mail fraud? I don't know what you mean, seriously, I don't know. |
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March 06, 2013, 09:14:39 AM |
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I am not suggesting, I am making a clear statement that I do not believe anyone that ordered an ASIC miner (from BFL or Avalon) will ever receive it. "Jeff" and the "foundation" appear to be low quality fake "evidence".
MangoJ will deny the existence of ASIC miners until the cows come home, and then he'll deny the existence of both the cows and the ASICs. The post count on YouTube is not a source of trust any more than donator status on Bitcointalk is. When someone tells you something you dont want to hear, do you always make jokes back at them? A post count of 1, from a brand new youtube account, showing a video taken from a low end cellphone, that fails to show the ASIC up close.. reeks of fraud to anyone that is warry. What kind of a proof video is done so poorly? |
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Beepbop
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March 06, 2013, 10:24:37 AM |
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A post count of 12 from a brand new Bitcointalk account, making low quality posts. Except, as I said above, post count or donator status is not a sufficient indicator of trust. Somehow I think the Bitcoin Foundation holds more credibility than any anonymous Bitcointalk user, regardless of post count. When someone tells you something you dont want to hear, do you always make jokes back at them? Actually I do want to hear it, because I love listening to conspiracy theorists who live in an alternate reality. In the case of BFL I would also have been amused if they turned out to be a complete scam, but so far it seems they are indeed trying to make ASIC products. What kind of a proof video is done so poorly?
That means you don't trust the Bitcoin Foundation. And since you don't trust the blockchain either, there's literally nothing that will coinvince you that ASICs exist. Maybe except if you get given one for free?  Avalon were right when they said that it would be pointless for them to waste time making video proof, since somebody wouldn't believe the proof anyway, so they would let the blockchain and their customers do the talking. Apparently even that wouldn't convince some people. |
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March 06, 2013, 10:45:06 AM |
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BFL is staffed by incompetent bozos and convicted felons, that much is true, but ASICMiner and Avalon have indeed created ASIC mining hardware. The evidence is all over the forums and all over the pools.
It doesnt even make sense to suspect BFL is running a scam. If they were, they would have closed shop by now and ran off with the money. The bulk of their sales already happened a long time ago, so if it were a scam, they pulled it off already. Why keep paying for offices and personnel and storage rooms full of custom cases etc ? |
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March 06, 2013, 11:05:13 AM |
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BFL is staffed by incompetent bozos and convicted felons, that much is true, but ASICMiner and Avalon have indeed created ASIC mining hardware. The evidence is all over the forums and all over the pools.
It doesnt even make sense to suspect BFL is running a scam. If they were, they would have closed shop by now and ran off with the money. The bulk of their sales already happened a long time ago, so if it were a scam, they pulled it off already. Why keep paying for offices and personnel and storage rooms full of custom cases etc ? I didn't say they were running a scam, I said they're incompetent. I believe they've intentionally lied about their timetables and they never anticipated shipping ASIC products in October of 2012. They've since lied about shipping dates and fabricated excuses for the delays to keep the pre-order funds rolling in, but no, I do not believe they intend to abscond with the funds. I believe they're trying to deliver an ASIC product and may do as much...eventually, if they're not shut down by the FTC, AG's office, or bankrupted first. |
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March 07, 2013, 07:18:15 AM |
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BFL is staffed by incompetent bozos and convicted felons, that much is true, but ASICMiner and Avalon have indeed created ASIC mining hardware. The evidence is all over the forums and all over the pools.
It doesnt even make sense to suspect BFL is running a scam. If they were, they would have closed shop by now and ran off with the money. The bulk of their sales already happened a long time ago, so if it were a scam, they pulled it off already. Why keep paying for offices and personnel and storage rooms full of custom cases etc ? Here's the rub. Who says they are even paying for offices, storage or personnel? I can setup a few phone numbers, get a website with exclusive pictures and make it look exactly like a working company with many employees. They are still accepting and taking pre-orders, why would they want their source of income to just stop? The people receiving that pre-order money could be on an island somewhere not even close to the US. |
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March 07, 2013, 07:42:11 PM |
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Assuming:
1) The BFL Minirig ships
2) Network hash rate stays under 500Th/s
3) Bitcoin price remains stable
4) Actual performance of the minirig is close to expeted performance
Then, it seems to me that having a Minirig is basically having a license to print Bitcoins. It would pay for itself after a few short months, and by the time a year has passed you have thousands of extra coins. Maybe even 10,000BTC?
Is this right, or is my math off?
YEAH SEAMS LIKE WHEN U CONSIDER THAT 1000TH IS PRSOLD ALREADY WITCH WILL PUT U IN THE 2 BTC A DAY BRAKET UNTILL SLOWLYYY NETWORK ACHES UP |
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March 07, 2013, 08:14:19 PM |
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So I haven't seen anyone discus this angle, sorry if someone has. BFL has been accepting BTC for pre-orders so if you pre ordered a single in the summer months of 2012 it would be around 260 BTC as the value was around 5 to 14 USD last summer. That means that you just lost around $9,090 USD if you gave them your BTC when it was worth 5 USD and Today it's worth around 40 USD. Right, am I missing something here?
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March 07, 2013, 08:18:26 PM |
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So I haven't seen anyone discus this angle, sorry if someone has. BFL has been accepting BTC for pre-orders so if you pre ordered a single in the summer months of 2012 it would be around 260 BTC as the value was around 5 to 14 USD last summer. That means that you just lost around $9,090 USD if you gave them your BTC when it was worth 5 USD and Today it's worth around 40 USD. Right, am I missing something here?
yeah btc is like 45 now and hit 50 the other day:) yeah u urdered half a sc with a half a minirig price u the dude who urderes a a 30k unit today might get it before u u dont think they gonna hold back a 30k costumer couse of a single bord?  like urs for example? duble jammy wammy oh yeah bfl rules |
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March 08, 2013, 06:02:23 AM |
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So I haven't seen anyone discus this angle, sorry if someone has. BFL has been accepting BTC for pre-orders so if you pre ordered a single in the summer months of 2012 it would be around 260 BTC as the value was around 5 to 14 USD last summer. That means that you just lost around $9,090 USD if you gave them your BTC when it was worth 5 USD and Today it's worth around 40 USD. Right, am I missing something here? The only thing you're missing is the dozens of times it's been discussed previously. Yes, unfortunately some people did pay BFL with BTC in June of 2012 and yes they've been royally screwed by doing so. In all fairness paying BTCFPGA in BTC for an ASIC last October has not worked out really well for me either. |
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March 08, 2013, 05:21:07 PM |
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Assuming:
1) The BFL Minirig ships
2) Network hash rate stays under 500Th/s
3) Bitcoin price remains stable
4) Actual performance of the minirig is close to expeted performance
Then, it seems to me that having a Minirig is basically having a license to print Bitcoins. It would pay for itself after a few short months, and by the time a year has passed you have thousands of extra coins. Maybe even 10,000BTC?
Is this right, or is my math off?
seems like it They say in the California gold rush, most miners never made enough to recoup their investment. The only people assured of profits were the ones selling tools to the miners. |
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