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February 04, 2016, 09:49:28 AM
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I had a scout round to see what I could find and there are a couple of similar Containers / Data centres from other people.



Impressive looking with 1.2MW, but just another render, so perhaps just a concept?

The only other Container I could find was an Icelandic Data Centre, but at least it's real.  Smiley




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Yes, the concept is nothing original. I know a Chinese manufacturer built one years ago and has been lying in the factory gathering dust ever since because of poor ROI. Let me try to find some photos that I took from my hard drive.
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February 05, 2016, 08:52:40 AM
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one idea would be to shrink that container (maybe 100-200 fold in volume) from 40X100 ft to 8.6X21.5.4 ft or 6.8X17 ft box respectively that could fit in the backyard.
It would do 160Th or 80Th and use 20 or 10kw. Such mini-box would sell well to bitcoin mining prosumers.

 Standard shipping containers are more like 9' (appx x 9' (appx) x 40' (there are also 20 foot long and 53 foot (appx) long standard sizes).

 With the added cooling stuff on top, the Bitfury container would be closer to 9x15x40 at a guesstimate.

 Dunno where you came up with 40x100 for it.


 There have been a few previous "container" concepts floated, but very few that ever saw actual hardware built much less sold.


 I suspect the container concept from BitFury is aimed more at "simplify setup and installation" than at "save real estate".

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February 05, 2016, 04:51:59 PM
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It kinda depends on what aspect of the "Miner in a Box" you focus on. In my opinion, the whole immersion cooling stuff is squarely aimed at density (i.e. TH per square foot). The rest of the container business has been done by others and was aimed at simplification of installation and setup. Both of those have additional costs over and above the actual mining hardware. We've even seen a "Mining Trailer" that looked like it could easily be move in a day if the connections were right. While interesting, there is precious little value in making a substantial mining "operation" mobile to any significant degree. Yes it make the initial install easier, at a cost, but after that.

I focused on the immersion cooling aspect of this, and it seems fairly costly compared to a more "spread out" facility with lots of air flow. Pumps, radiators, and 3M NOVEC (or Flourinert), aren't cheap at all. They also have a long term run cost compared to fans and a more hospitable natural environment (e.g. a cool/cold climate).
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February 05, 2016, 10:11:12 PM
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...there is precious little value in making a substantial mining "operation" mobile to any significant degree.

...it seems fairly costly compared to a more "spread out" facility with lots of air flow.

This first point is 100% true. Once you find the best location you can there will never be a need to move.

This second point is just as straight forward and obvious from a business perspective. Its is much more costly to use immersion cooling than it is to just have a bunch of high powered fans in a larger, spread out facility. Land is not that expensive that you need to keep your footprint low at the cost of efficiency. I could easily see bitfury paying as much per Ghs for the facility/fluids/ect as they did for the miners.
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February 05, 2016, 10:50:55 PM
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It kinda depends on what aspect of the "Miner in a Box" you focus on. In my opinion, the whole immersion cooling stuff is squarely aimed at density (i.e. TH per square foot). The rest of the container business has been done by others and was aimed at simplification of installation and setup. Both of those have additional costs over and above the actual mining hardware. We've even seen a "Mining Trailer" that looked like it could easily be move in a day if the connections were right. While interesting, there is precious little value in making a substantial mining "operation" mobile to any significant degree. Yes it make the initial install easier, at a cost, but after that.

I focused on the immersion cooling aspect of this, and it seems fairly costly compared to a more "spread out" facility with lots of air flow. Pumps, radiators, and 3M NOVEC (or Flourinert), aren't cheap at all. They also have a long term run cost compared to fans and a more hospitable natural environment (e.g. a cool/cold climate).
Actually I think you are wrong. Exactly same density can be achieved with plain single loop water cooling, without the expensive two-phase fluid immersion cooling.

The target market is the buyer without enough engineering skills to design its own mining hardware based on mining chips individually mounted on small PCBs.

The actual strength of the two-phase immersion cooling is for example when you really have to use large PCBs, like e.g. CPU/GPU chips connected to large arrays of DRAM. With speed-of-light limitation you cannot design around that constraint and the 3D designs used in aircraft or missiles would be more expensive than the pricy immersion fluid.

Bitcoin mining has no such unusual engineering requirements. So their target market is somebody who really has no way of purchasing regular engineering skills but has large amounts of cash burning in their pockets. Only the usual suspects are left: money laundering for organized crime or some secret departments of small nation-state governments.

Please comment, critique, criticize or ridicule BIP 2112: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54382.0
Long-term mining prognosis: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91101.0
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February 14, 2016, 05:40:13 PM
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there is precious little value in making a substantial mining "operation" mobile to any significant degree.

Unless you buy into Philipma's interesting theory expounded here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1362106.0

i.e. a roadtrain of Bitmaintech knockoff versions of the Bitfury container, charging around China from one free short term electrical supply to another, as new hydro comes online and requires load testing.

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February 14, 2016, 06:42:51 PM
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there is precious little value in making a substantial mining "operation" mobile to any significant degree.

Unless you buy into Philipma's interesting theory expounded here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1362106.0

i.e. a roadtrain of Bitmaintech knockoff versions of the Bitfury container, charging around China from one free short term electrical supply to another, as new hydro comes online and requires load testing.

Well I looked at facts and made the theory .

China has a unique thing in that many really big ass dams are going on line as I type.

And bitmaintech can be Johnny on the spot for the next five months filling that need.

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August 23, 2017, 10:40:42 AM
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Intereted to see how much THESE cost!   

http://bitfury.com/products#container-datacenter

Just hoping this isn't what they meant when they said "Selling to the public". I don't think my neighbors would like this in front of my house with a big power cable running to it....  Grin


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