Rotchilds and Wallestreet stopping the market rise ?

[el kaka22]

I think bitcoin and other altcoin prices should be going up by now. but it doesn't happen. I guess Rothschilds are on it. Bankers, and, Wall Street, they're all on it. I feel like we're being forced to stop and wait for them to get on and take control of the next leg of the journey. Meanwhile, we are still patient.

They cant do anything if they don't have any Bitcoin. First they need to buy Bitcoins and push price up to millions and only then they can start manipulate the market.

I may as well want to assume that the likelihood of this is not possible as this would take a huge chunk of funds to be able to achieve something like this. However, there is nothing that we can say is impossible, since the funds is really there and talking about millions, I do not think it is that hard to see a combined effort to achieve this if we really want to face the likelihood of seeing the chances. They are big time manipulators, they could have bought a lot at around the previous low in this year, drive the market up, people FOMO, they distribute, and then they rinse and repeat.

[Bardman]

I think bitcoin and other altcoin prices should be going up by now. but it doesn't happen. I guess Rothschilds are on it. Bankers, and, Wall Street, they're all on it. I feel like we're being forced to stop and wait for them to get on and take control of the next leg of the journey. Meanwhile, we are still patient.

They cant do anything if they don't have any Bitcoin. First they need to buy Bitcoins and push price up to millions and only then they can start manipulate the market.

I may as well want to assume that the likelihood of this is not possible as this would take a huge chunk of funds to be able to achieve something like this. However, there is nothing that we can say is impossible, since the funds is really there and talking about millions, I do not think it is that hard to see a combined effort to achieve this if we really want to face the likelihood of seeing the chances. They are big time manipulators, they could have bought a lot at around the previous low in this year, drive the market up, people FOMO, they distribute, and then they rinse and repeat.

However even if they can destroy bitcoin as a currency, there are more and unless they just buy all of them they won't be able to kill the whole crypto market ever as long as people think is a good idea to invest in them

[Samarkand]

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I don't know if you saw this: The Wealthy Are Hoarding $10 Billion of Bitcoin in Bunkers.

At the moment that sort of service is only available to a very select few. When mainstream investment firms have the capability to provide custodial services that satisfy the regulators then they'll be ba able to offer products to a much wider audience.
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Yes, I saw that article when it was initially published.
However, there are already a few other custodial solutions that are more accessible than Xapo.

E.g. even Coinbase offers custodial accounts:
https://custody.coinbase.com/

Of course it is still not really geared towards retail customers, but it seems to have lower
requirements than the Xapo custodial solution that was mentioned in the Bloomberg article.

[TheQuin]

Yes, I saw that article when it was initially published.
However, there are already a few other custodial solutions that are more accessible than Xapo.

E.g. even Coinbase offers custodial accounts:
https://custody.coinbase.com/

Of course it is still not really geared towards retail customers, but it seems to have lower
requirements than the Xapo custodial solution that was mentioned in the Bloomberg article.

I know there are custody solutions available but I meant when the big investment banks and investment management companies start doing it. They wouldn't outsource their custody department to an outside firm. When that happens then their customers like the big pension fund managers and investment trust managers will be able to invest. That's how the vast majority of shares or any asset class are owned and at the moment there is no way for them to get involved. ETFs and futures are more trading vehicles used mainly for hedging and speculation whereas long-term investors are going to want actual ownership. In my view, that's what it will take for it to become a mainstream investment.

[BrewMaster]

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The Tether situation is probably not over yet if you ask me.

the Tether situation has always been serious and it is not over. it was serious when price was rising and it is still the same amount of serious now that price is falling. but not because of the reasons that have been advertised all this time (talking about all the drama about USDT increasing the price not legit buys with fiat).

the argument is about people always exaggerating everything and turning it into a big drama.
- USDT might have contributed to bitcoin price rise, in a fake way and its demise can drop the price but it is nowhere near as dramatic and big as it has been discussed.
- the whales are manipulating the price both on the rise and on the fall but that is also not as big and dramatic as people like OP puts it.

[shulio]

To keep the prices low, they should have more and more BTC than the rest of the market. But as far as i know they have not invested big amount of money in crypto currency yet.

[RejectedBanana]

What could be another catalyst for a new bull-run? Of course there are possibilities like the approval
of a Bitcoin ETF (seems unlikely for now) or the upcoming block reward halving (is still more than 2 years
away) or the Lightning Network. Nevertheless, it still looks like a classic blow-off top, which could
be the indication of yet another prolonged bear market.

I think this is an excellent question that merits its own thread for discussion (without the taint of conspiracy theories).

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4398150.0

[Bardman]

To keep the prices low, they should have more and more BTC than the rest of the market. But as far as i know they have not invested big amount of money in crypto currency yet.

How would we know, though? Isn't that the whole point of cryptocurrencies, anonymity? Who knows if they have bought or not, most bitcoins are held by 100 addresses only, sure some of them are from exchanges but who knows.

[Supercrypt]

I think bitcoin and other altcoin prices should be going up by now. but it doesn't happen. I guess Rothschilds are on it. Bankers, and, Wall Street, they're all on it. I feel like we're being forced to stop and wait for them to get on and take control of the next leg of the journey. Meanwhile, we are still patient.

Well, for a market that is decentralized and with the possibility that they have the funds to manipulate the movement, I believe anything is possible. Obviously, if they are already seeing the great future in the market, they would see everything they can to at least try their best in getting in and holding good position at a very pretty good value.

Basically we cannot do anything about this but the thing here is to be patient and see how situations will change and possibly. I am always looking for ways to buy back in at the best value whenever possible because I can do only that among most other forces which are manipulating the flow and suppressing the rise.

[stompix]

if you don't believe they pumped it then you shouldn't believe they are dumping it either.

It really is funny to watch the tinfoil hatters at work. Whenever the market goes down there has to be an evil force at work. In this case, let's use the antisemitic trope of the Rothschilds and everyone's goto baddies, Wall Street in general. Oh well, it does make a change from Tether being blamed for pumping it up, I'm starting to miss that.

Pretty funny how GS was blamed for every drop bitcoin took till they supported some bitcoin related projects.
Then all the narrative was: Wall Street is here, to the moon!!!!!
The former evil bankers become BTC best friends

There is a price drop, the evilz gubbermints are at work, Japan legalizes BTC, there is no evil gubbermint anymore

How could they influence the price being down or stagnant? They can't influence it through participating in the market, because if they buy any they'd drive the price up. So would they be conducting a global campaign to keep people disinterested in Bitcoin? Sounds like a lot of effort for something that already exists.

No, they want to keep the price low to accumulate and they FUD BTC, because they want to destroy it, since BTC will render their banks useless but they are secretly involved in projects BTC related and they FUD their own projects and the coin they've invested money in because.....

They have factories producing tinfoil!!!!!!!! That's why!!!! Huge factories!!!!!! 
They would go bankrupt without conspiracies!!!!

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I think bitcoin and other altcoin prices should be going up by now. but it doesn't happen. I guess Rothschilds are on it. Bankers, and, Wall Street, they're all on it. I feel like we're being forced to stop and wait for them to get on and take control of the next leg of the journey. Meanwhile, we are still patient.

I guess it’s possible, they can only control bitcoin to a certain extent though. They can’t control miners & they can’t control devs. They can’t control the natural price rises when coins become more scarce after each halving. They also can’t control FOMO stages.

[Denker]

Wall Street may 'play' with us yes. Can you blame them? Imo they know what Bitcoin is about and how strong it can be in the future.
Therefore they wouldn't be dumb not to try to accmulate as much as coins as they can. And they have a lot of money.
Furthermore they will know that in less than 2 years we will see the next halving, which will mean that daily supply gets cut in half again.
They have an eye on Bitcoin since 2014! And sooner or later they will have to unleash the BTC Dragon again. So relax, and buy!

[cellard]

Some people argue that the recent Bancor hack may have caused a global dip into the crypto ecosystem as a whole. For some reason, a lot of people have the tendency to sell their cryptos (even if they are unreleated to the hack) when they see these big headlines. Mostly newbies involved in these I guess, or speculators which think newbies will act that way, which create a chain reaction of selling.

It could also be that we simply failed to cross the $7k barrier and we may dip further before we start mooning.

Rothchilds/Wall St wise. If I had Rothchild's power, I would be sure to get in at the very bottom of Bitcoin, because I would have the tools to cause a bottom and an ideal entry point for myself. This is a sad reality to how high finance works, but I think I would do that. I like to think that I wouldn't be that much of a cunt to current holders by crashing the markets in order for me to get at the very bottom and shake out the noobs which will panic sell, but maybe there is no other way out. Anyway, these guys have the resources to get it done, if they can, it's reasonable to think they will. I just don't see them entering the market unless they are sure they can become massive players, and that requires a price as low as possible (but not so low that confidence would be destroyed).