What are the things you hate about Islam!

[akram143]

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I think this conversation got way off-topic. 
From the nonsense in the Quran and its homophobia to ways to control the population growth.

I wanted to talk about why people hate (and should hate) Islam, but I was trolled by some of you to homophobia in the animal kingdom, to ways to promote homosexual behaviors, and now you with contraceptives as a solution to the world's population growth. LOL.

Are you sure you are not trolling this thread?

Well it's like this. THEY know the subject of Quran homophobia can't be directly confronted, since THEY will be condemned as the homophobic bigots they are.

So the debate tactics resulting are misdirection, goal shifting, re framing the argument and so forth.

Okay I accept that what is the real intention behind gay and lesbianism is not allowed in Islam but when I tried google it being gay and lesbian might increases the chances of getting AIDS? Is this true?

I would suggest that if you seek to find the truth on a matter such as that, do not look at "Islamic sources." Instead, look at authoritative medical sources, such as WebMD. Generally speaking, AIDS has been transmitted through unprotected sex.

But this is not the only way right? Still people researching on being a gay causes AIDS!

[Spendulus]

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I think this conversation got way off-topic. 
From the nonsense in the Quran and its homophobia to ways to control the population growth.

I wanted to talk about why people hate (and should hate) Islam, but I was trolled by some of you to homophobia in the animal kingdom, to ways to promote homosexual behaviors, and now you with contraceptives as a solution to the world's population growth. LOL.

Are you sure you are not trolling this thread?

Well it's like this. THEY know the subject of Quran homophobia can't be directly confronted, since THEY will be condemned as the homophobic bigots they are.

So the debate tactics resulting are misdirection, goal shifting, re framing the argument and so forth.

Okay I accept that what is the real intention behind gay and lesbianism is not allowed in Islam but when I tried google it being gay and lesbian might increases the chances of getting AIDS? Is this true?

I would suggest that if you seek to find the truth on a matter such as that, do not look at "Islamic sources." Instead, look at authoritative medical sources, such as WebMD. Generally speaking, AIDS has been transmitted through unprotected sex.

But this is not the only way right? Still people researching on being a gay causes AIDS!

Drug addicts re using needles is another major transmission mode.

Like I said, if you rely on Islamic teachings for information on Aids (or any number of subjects, really) you will be misinformed, period. This is simply because of the huge number of Muslim clerics who although well intentioned, are simply ignorant of medical and scientific facts.

[akram143]

If transmission was the most cause of people getting affected to AIDS but how it was emerged,it was not there when humanity emerged right.

I am not believing on what others said but I thin this could also be a reason why its prohibited.

[Spendulus]

If transmission was the most cause of people getting affected to AIDS but how it was emerged,it was not there when humanity emerged right.

I am not believing on what others said but I thin this could also be a reason why its prohibited.

Nope. The reason why Islam is harsh on homosexuality is because Islam wanted to create a cult which had the largest number possible of male babies, because that would give them the largest armies. Eliminating types of sex that do not produce babies is one obvious way to get to that point, but other means are detailed in your "Holy Books."

Rape, taking of slave women, multiple wives by the rich old men. With all the local women taken by the old rich men force the young men to go to other countries and take women.

It is what it is.

[af_newbie]

If transmission was the most cause of people getting affected to AIDS but how it was emerged,it was not there when humanity emerged right.

I am not believing on what others said but I thin this could also be a reason why its prohibited.

Nope. The reason why Islam is harsh on homosexuality is because Islam wanted to create a cult which had the largest number possible of male babies, because that would give them the largest armies. Eliminating types of sex that do not produce babies is one obvious way to get to that point, but other means are detailed in your "Holy Books."

Rape, taking of slave women, multiple wives by the rich old men. With all the local women taken by the old rich men force the young men to go to other countries and take women.

It is what it is.

+1

It is self-evident that the Quran was written by military men.  Spreading Islam beyond its borders, rules about capturing slaves, strict Sharia Law, no drinking, no music, severe punishment for disobedience, the death penalty for apostasy (treason), etc.  

That also explains misogyny as male babies where automatically higher on the pecking order based on their utility value.

You needed men to get/capture/enslave women, to make more men, to get more women.  All to make Allah happy, of course.

[Spendulus]

If transmission was the most cause of people getting affected to AIDS but how it was emerged,it was not there when humanity emerged right.

I am not believing on what others said but I thin this could also be a reason why its prohibited.

Nope. The reason why Islam is harsh on homosexuality is because Islam wanted to create a cult which had the largest number possible of male babies, because that would give them the largest armies. Eliminating types of sex that do not produce babies is one obvious way to get to that point, but other means are detailed in your "Holy Books."

Rape, taking of slave women, multiple wives by the rich old men. With all the local women taken by the old rich men force the young men to go to other countries and take women.

It is what it is.

+1

It is self-evident that the Quran was written by military men.  Spreading Islam beyond its borders, rules about capturing slaves, strict Sharia Law, no drinking, no music, severe punishment for disobedience, the death penalty for apostasy (treason), etc.  

That also explains misogyny as male babies where automatically higher on the pecking order based on their utility value.

You needed men to get/capture/enslave women, to make more men, to get more women.  All to make Allah happy, of course.

It's been argued that much of this is similarly in Judeo-Christian religions, but it's counter argued that Judeo-Christian religions and their cultures have gone past those ideas a long time ago, and Islam is still mired in medieval concepts. I think this is fairly accurate.

In turn a likely reason for that is the fact that Islam is both a political and a religious cult. Each enforces the other. No contra-ideas are tolerated. There is no free speech allowed. So new ideas really don't get discussed, and things remain old, stale, and semi-ridiculous.

[tvbcof]

It's been argued that much of this is similarly in Judeo-Christian religions, but it's counter argued that Judeo-Christian religions and their cultures have gone past those ideas a long time ago, and Islam is still mired in medieval concepts. I think this is fairly accurate.

The term 'Judeo-Christian' is a ridiculous invention promulgated to, among other things. get stupid Christians to fight Israeli wars or conquest for them.

Jesus was arch enemies with the Pharisees who were the so-called 'oral tradition' crowd.  He called them the seed of Satan and they got him killed.  They did the killing indirectly which is a technique they take great pride in to this day.  Jacob (who changed is name to Israel) used deceit and treachery to trick his father and steal his brother's birthright.  Kabbalahists seem to love the guy for it.  This goes to show how far away 'Christian ethics' are from Talmudic Judaism and what a crock the term 'Judeo-Christain values' is.

After Jesus's time these 'oral traditions' were written down as the Talmud.  At the present time the Talmud is nearly synonymous with 'Judaism' since the Karaite Jews who's faith is based on the old testament and rejection of 'Oral Torah' are nearly extinct (at the hand of the Khazar Jews mostly.)

In turn a likely reason for that is the fact that Islam is both a political and a religious cult. Each enforces the other. No contra-ideas are tolerated. There is no free speech allowed. So new ideas really don't get discussed, and things remain old, stale, and semi-ridiculous.

It actually makes a lot more sense to talk about Judeo-Islamic.  Islam forked not all that long ago and a result seem to be that the similarities are much closer.  Examples would be the things about animal sacrifice, slavery, decapitation, genital mutilation, pork, etc, etc.

[franky1]

im white british decent and athiest/agnostic.. but lets deal with some issues fairly

one thing I don't like about Muslims is understanding its radicalism,
like saying other religions are "infidels"

and christians understanding their radicalism.... hmm white supremecy, KuKluxKlan.. need i say anymore
all religions have radicals. theres even political radicals, social radical.

The misconception that's spreading is because of those who are using Islam to bring terror, they bring wrong impression and fear to the people that affects other innocent Muslims.

much like american military and government throw around the word 'god' alot too, while travelling thousands of miles away from USA to bomb entire cities and call it 'defense'.. sorry i just dont buy that one bit.
half a dozen middle easterners destroy only a few buildings in america doesnt balance out to the thousands of buildings destroyed in the middle east.

I haven't studied Islam meticulously but I think that the worst part in this religion is the inequality of men and women.

and christians believed womans place was in the kitchen


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anyway. i would not think of muslims as terrorists just like i dont think of christians as terrorists. i think of the kukluxklan, white supremisists / isis, da'esh, al-qaeda as completely separate from the religions

i think that media just needs to stop bringing up the religion as the title of a terrorist group and just call them
'middleastern psychos/nutcases'
'western psychos/nutcases'

the hypocricy i see is the fact that if an america KKK walkd around with a gun the US defense wont shoot him as its 'expressing their freedoms' yet would travel thousands of miles to shoot muslims.
kinda surprising middle easterners are so angry, when you research the ottoman wars
but not surprising if you google ottoman top results show a furniture brand. where as type in a building 'twin towers' top results show death stats and fearmongering

gotta love the bias
twin tower death toll >2k civilians directly due to invaders (terrorist action)
syrian death toll >4k civilians directly due to invaders (us military weapons)

[Spendulus]

im white british decent and athiest/agnostic.. but lets deal with some issues fairly

one thing I don't like about Muslims is understanding its radicalism,
like saying other religions are "infidels"

and christians understanding their radicalism.... hmm white supremecy, KuKluxKlan.. need i say anymore
all religions have radicals. theres even political radicals, social radical.

The misconception that's spreading is because of those who are using Islam to bring terror, they bring wrong impression and fear to the people that affects other innocent Muslims.

much like american military and government throw around the word 'god' alot too, while travelling thousands of miles away from USA to bomb entire cities and call it 'defense'.. sorry i just dont buy that one bit.
half a dozen middle easterners destroy only a few buildings in america doesnt balance out to the thousands of buildings destroyed in the middle east.

I haven't studied Islam meticulously but I think that the worst part in this religion is the inequality of men and women.

and christians believed womans place was in the kitchen


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anyway. i would not think of muslims as terrorists just like i dont think of christians as terrorists. i think of the kukluxklan, white supremisists / isis, da'esh, al-qaeda as completely separate from the religions....

If you go back and look at the Klu Klux Klan historically, they may have been involved in 86 years in 3000-4000 murders of blacks. Of course any number is tragic, but let's as you say, "Be Fair." This is roughly what we see in the US for six months of black-to-black homicides.

https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2013/nov/27/allen-west/allen-west-more-black-black-murders-six-months-86-/

And it's about what the radical extremist Islamists accomplish every three months.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com

By all means let's "Be Fair." We'll leave your assertion as "False."

Now let's consider your interesting assertion that Christians said "A woman's place is in the kitchen." Actually it was, until the inventions of prepackaged bread, and sliced bread, gave them considerable freedom. So this is a known historical case where technology had a direct effect on freeing women from what would be better considered a necessity for that time and age.

[franky1]

ha ha ha
you think bread was the reason for the female revolution

[Spendulus]

ha ha ha
you think bread was the reason for the female revolution

Your assertion was that certain cultures (Christian) thought "women should be in the kitchen.

Not only was that assertion wrong in delineating such a belief to Christian, when in fact subjugation of women is far, far more extreme in Islamic than Christian.

BUT it was wrong historically, as I did point out.

So here'ya go!

https://www.thoughtco.com/sliced-bread-invented-1779266

In 1930, Wonder Bread began to commercially produce pre-sliced loaves of bread, popularizing sliced bread and making it a household staple familiar to generations. Soon other brands warmed to the idea, and for decades there has been row upon row of sliced white, rye, wheat, multigrain, rye and raisin bread on grocery store shelves. Very few people living in the 21st century remember a time when there was no sliced bread, the universally-agreed-upon "greatest thing."

Wait... maybe you still don't buy it. No problem!!! Just make all your own bread for a month and report back .... Let us all know if you still hold it as trivial in importance!!!

[akram143]

It is self-evident that the Quran was written by military men.  Spreading Islam beyond its borders, rules about capturing slaves, strict Sharia Law, no drinking, no music, severe punishment for disobedience, the death penalty for apostasy (treason), etc.  

That also explains misogyny as male babies where automatically higher on the pecking order based on their utility value.

You needed men to get/capture/enslave women, to make more men, to get more women.  All to make Allah happy, of course.

Islam is not about spreading,its about accepting,in the beginning you know how much people accepted it,which is just in double digit figures after lot of struggle from prophet later only people start accepting that everyone is slave of God (Allah).

Why nobody answering that before Islam women were treated equal to men? Absolutely not after the Islam only women got more rights such as divorce their husbands if they don't want to live with him anymore,etc.

[Spendulus]

It is self-evident that the Quran was written by military men.  Spreading Islam beyond its borders, rules about capturing slaves, strict Sharia Law, no drinking, no music, severe punishment for disobedience, the death penalty for apostasy (treason), etc.  

That also explains misogyny as male babies where automatically higher on the pecking order based on their utility value.

You needed men to get/capture/enslave women, to make more men, to get more women.  All to make Allah happy, of course.

Islam is not about spreading,its about accepting,in the beginning you know how much people accepted it,which is just in double digit figures after lot of struggle from prophet later only people start accepting that everyone is slave of God (Allah).

Why nobody answering that before Islam women were treated equal to men? Absolutely not after the Islam only women got more rights such as divorce their husbands if they don't want to live with him anymore,etc.

I'm afraid you'll never be able to argue that Islam is pro-woman. Ever. You'll have to go directly against various of your Profit's words to get to that point.

[GideonGono]

I see lot of people here hates Islam for many reason and I would like to know each personals why they are hating,mention the reasons.

I am a Muslim but not a Jihad or extremist,I love my life since its become peaceful and no one has controlling me like what others think.

One particular thing I hate from Islam is Multiple marriages allowed because it was created for good intention but now its being misused.

They allowed it because at least they can spread their religion or an Islam. If an Islam do bad things, all the name Islam would be a sinner. I hate Islam also because they want a power to conquer the world by an Islam and I think it was their goal and I am scared if it was happen because I am not an Islam.

[akram143]

It is self-evident that the Quran was written by military men.  Spreading Islam beyond its borders, rules about capturing slaves, strict Sharia Law, no drinking, no music, severe punishment for disobedience, the death penalty for apostasy (treason), etc.  

That also explains misogyny as male babies where automatically higher on the pecking order based on their utility value.

You needed men to get/capture/enslave women, to make more men, to get more women.  All to make Allah happy, of course.

Islam is not about spreading,its about accepting,in the beginning you know how much people accepted it,which is just in double digit figures after lot of struggle from prophet later only people start accepting that everyone is slave of God (Allah).

Why nobody answering that before Islam women were treated equal to men? Absolutely not after the Islam only women got more rights such as divorce their husbands if they don't want to live with him anymore,etc.

I'm afraid you'll never be able to argue that Islam is pro-woman. Ever. You'll have to go directly against various of your Profit's words to get to that point.

Islam didn't made the women equal to men so I never want to argue about that (this also I hate about islam) but its only thing with Islam? Someone can answer that.

I see lot of people here hates Islam for many reason and I would like to know each personals why they are hating,mention the reasons.

I am a Muslim but not a Jihad or extremist,I love my life since its become peaceful and no one has controlling me like what others think.

One particular thing I hate from Islam is Multiple marriages allowed because it was created for good intention but now its being misused.

They allowed it because at least they can spread their religion or an Islam. If an Islam do bad things, all the name Islam would be a sinner. I hate Islam also because they want a power to conquer the world by an Islam and I think it was their goal and I am scared if it was happen because I am not an Islam.

RIP Islam he even don't know what wanted to say about Islam.

[franky1]

im still laughing at sliced bread thing
i mean. think logically.

1.so you think that the 30 seconds to slice a few slices of bread, freed women from spending 12 hours a day 'in the kitchen'
cooked unsliced bread was being sold and created for generations and centuries before 1920
so it not about bread baking, but the slicing innovation of bread being available that you feel changed things

2. the actual revolution was actually the wars.
yep when men were drafted into the army to fight, the military needed to use the women as employee's to work in factories to build the artillery and stuff. yep the wars got women 'out of the kitchen' ... not sliced bread

as for those blaming islam as a whole for a couple dozen terrorists acts
should we hate all christians for the suicide school shooting killers, how about the KKK or whit supremicists or even hitler himself who wanted to take over the world and make it into a 100% christian planet of white skin, blonde hair blue eyed populous

[tvbcof]

...as for those blaming islam as a whole for a couple dozen terrorists acts
should we hate all christians for the suicide school shooting killers, ...

(((ROTFL)))

[Drai]

I am a Christian but I grew up with Muslim neighbours, there was a Muslim school opposite our apartment and I can say with every certainty that Muslims are one of the most peaceful people on earth, it's just that the extremists seem to be giving the religion a bad name all over the world but if you look closely, you would notice that it's not really about the religion but it's just about the perverted desires of some unscrupulous people because some of these extremities still hurt their fellow Muslim brothers and sister and try to cover it all up with religion.

[akram143]

...as for those blaming islam as a whole for a couple dozen terrorists acts
should we hate all christians for the suicide school shooting killers, ...

(((ROTFL)))

Better read the whole statement than what you wanted to see.

[tvbcof]

...as for those blaming islam as a whole for a couple dozen terrorists acts
should we hate all christians for the suicide school shooting killers, ...

(((ROTFL)))

Better read the whole statement than what you wanted to see.

I thought about bringing up the Jewish guy who runs DailyStormer or one of those, the Jewish KKK grand dragon, or the number of Jews in Hitler's general staff and the 'transfer agreement' which helped populate 'the promised land with the chosen people', but didn't feel like doing the research.  So I trimmed the message to the more current instances of 'by way of deception we shall do war.'

Anyway, (some of) the goy know.

Edit:  To bad more Muslims won't wise up and start defending themselves against the false flags, the media attacks, and slander designed stir up trouble which nobody except the Zionists need.  My hat is off the that guy who is the president of Malaysia.