Twitch gambling problem and Sliker issue

[Fundamentals Of]

Twitch has placed a ban on offshore casinos but not on gambling. With this, it is obvious that this is not the last straw, the one that would break the camel's back. Twitch does not put a stop to gambling streaming. So it did not stop gamblers from continuously showing to their audience, young and old, their gambling experience live. So whether gambling is a responsible content or not, Twitch did not take a side. It has banned certain platforms but not gambling in general. 

[blue_hurricanger]

Interesting. So to Twitch, there is a difference between gambling games like slots, roulette, and dice compare to gambling activities like poker and sports betting? Heck, lootbox is considered as gambling in some countries but I bet there are plenty of streamers who did the lootbox stream. esport like CSGO, Dota2 betting on live there right now, on the casting channel and no one bat an eye.

Very inconsistent treatment from Twitch. Like they did that on a whim and tho I said I don't like gambling advertising near kids, this is very unfair treatment of gambling games.

Maybe Twitch think slots, roulette and dice are luck based games where any users can play without thinking any strategy (of course there's no strategy on luck based games). While poker and sports betting are skill based games where you can actually earn money if you're very good analyst.

However I tend to agree lootbox stream or gacha should be considered as lucky based games since it works similar like slots, roulette and dice. Actually there's many cases where a kids borrow their parents credit card only for lootbox stream or gacha.

Yep, if they want to segment between luck-based and skill-based gambling. They open a paradox of people (or gamblers) arguing whether this game is luck-based or skill-based. Then we would also discussion about gambling/betting that have both of these. Shit is really stupid and Twitch clearly doesn't know what they're doing, ban things on a whim like that.

It is really hard to be sure which one is more gambling and which one isn't with that. I also think its %100 inconsistent. I personally see lootbox dropping as gambling honestly. It can convince to kids open random boxes. Its definitely gambling for expensive item/drop. Slots, roulette, and dice are easy and obvious ones, these are part of physical casinos even. But with poker and sports betting? I mean if these are permitted, that just doesn't make any sense to me. Poker has a strategy but if its played for money its another gambling activity. Sports betting? I won't even argue.

Agree with you two here, lootbox is 100% luck based but hey, it'll stay on Twitch cause pretty much every game nowadays has it in their games. Mobile games with their gacha shits are also a variant of lootbox, luck-based too. As I said, Twitch really doesn't know what they're doing. Seems like if something already become too big, Twitch doesn't dare to ban it even with the pretext of 'for the kids!' So maybe once slots, roulette and dice become big enough, plenty of people play it, Twitch might include it back.

[qwertyup23]

I'm not sure about the terms and conditions of the Twitch. Based on that it is quite an easy thing for the Twitch team to stop users from creating and broadcasting their contents. For now gambling is getting popular around and Twitch got importance for its scheduled streaming and different giveaways. As one of the user stated, people will move towards other forms of streaming opportunities.

I think everything depends on the TOS of Twitch, like you mentioned. If they prohibit any form of solicitation whether express or implied, then they can rule that this Twitch streamer violated their TOS. Given the widespread of online gambling among the youth, I do expect that Twitch will soon amend their TOS or implement it more strictly this time.

It is really a fine line between a violation or a loophole. I hope that Twitch creates or releases a statement from prohibiting "express" forms of gambling since they cannot totally remove and prohibit crate unboxing from their platform.

[KTChampions]

They allow Poker they got some sense, it doesnt really add up overall to suddenly change policy over one guy.   Theres always one guy for every example of why, we can find the news story for one guy who played games too much, over exhausted and literally died from it.   Clearly dont do that but its hardly the reasoning to ban all games and yes seriously people have tried that level of reasoning and we've had many court cases over the idea of people will copy everything they see in a game so we must ban all games.   Gambling is with risk but Twitch cant easily quantify that risk apparently, their response is probably formulated by lawyers more then any other kind of reasoning.
  It does underline once again free speech and freedom in general is a rare commodity long term.

By the way, many streamers run so-called 24-hour marathons when they stream 24 hours without a break to sleep or rest. Obviously, this is no less dangerous and unhealthy nonsense (if you do it regularly or even once). So what? Now when someone complains about such a stream, will we see a new ban on such marathons?  In my opinion, this is a false direction of development - as if people are morons and cannot decide for themselves what to do or not to do.

[jostorres]

A sudden announcement like this from Twitch doesn't well indication for the gambling company. It is believed that Twitch may have banned this gambling sites due to some kind of restrictions by the government or others. Nowadays gambling has become a big industry. But I hope that such restrictions may be reduce in the near future. Besides, all these companies have to take alternative route for gambling promotion.

Only stake, duelbits and roobet? But, what about other gambling sites? Because I heard the ban is only selected but gambling streams are still there and will continue. I don't think the gambling sites that I mentioned are illegal but I believe all of them already have their own licenses.

The ban has also nothing to do with country restrictions because it was only a streaming service. Given that the gambling industry is growing, we can expect that more bans and restrictions like this are going to happen in the future because there are people who use gambling in a wrong way and there are concerned people or institutions that are taking an action to help combat the issue.

[STT]

Trainwrecks will be fine, he was big streamer long before doing the gambling.   The amount he gambles I wonder if its better for him overall to have a reason to lower his time spent, either way he is fine and his viewers will watch him doing alot of games.   It would be quite interesting if Poker suddenly popped up on Twitch in replacement and became as big as Chess did a while back.   We had gambling for years probably as long as the site existed because of esports and betting on games was always a thing, would be surprising if that didnt continue on some streams just a question of how much and if it trends.

[AicecreaME]

I'm not sure about the terms and conditions of the Twitch. Based on that it is quite an easy thing for the Twitch team to stop users from creating and broadcasting their contents. For now gambling is getting popular around and Twitch got importance for its scheduled streaming and different giveaways. As one of the user stated, people will move towards other forms of streaming opportunities.

I think everything depends on the TOS of Twitch, like you mentioned. If they prohibit any form of solicitation whether express or implied, then they can rule that this Twitch streamer violated their TOS. Given the widespread of online gambling among the youth, I do expect that Twitch will soon amend their TOS or implement it more strictly this time.

It is really a fine line between a violation or a loophole. I hope that Twitch creates or releases a statement from prohibiting "express" forms of gambling since they cannot totally remove and prohibit crate unboxing from their platform.

This matter will highly depend on what kind of rules and policies does Twitch have on their platform. If they impose strictly that no solicitation should be done in their platforms by the streamers to avoid abuse and scamming, then it is clear as day that Sliker violated their TOS and therefore deserves a punishment so that the others won't follow his steps. However, it isn't outright stated that Twitch is against such act, so perhaps that's the reason why there are still streamers that continuously to do such act.

Since like you said, their TOS isn't clearly implementing what needs to be done, they somehow play a part and have a shortcoming on this issue. Hopefully, they will implement strictly their policies and make those people who won't abide to be accountable to their actions.

[edgycorner]

A sudden announcement like this from Twitch doesn't well indication for the gambling company. It is believed that Twitch may have banned this gambling sites due to some kind of restrictions by the government or others. Nowadays gambling has become a big industry. But I hope that such restrictions may be reduce in the near future. Besides, all these companies have to take alternative route for gambling promotion.

I think everything depends on the TOS of Twitch, like you mentioned. If they prohibit any form of solicitation whether express or implied, then they can rule that this Twitch streamer violated their TOS. Given the widespread of online gambling among the youth, I do expect that Twitch will soon amend their TOS or implement it more strictly this time.

They have a month to figure out the details. We can only speculate its nature for now. But twitch definitely doesn't want its name to be associated with such dramas, they will come down hard on it. Their reputation amongst big brand(Intel, acer, nvidia, etc) matters more to them, compared to whatever stake or roobet is paying them or slot streams rakes in.

Only stake, duelbits and roobet? But, what about other gambling sites? Because I heard the ban is only selected but gambling streams are still there and will continue. I don't think the gambling sites that I mentioned are illegal but I believe all of them already have their own licenses.

All offshore casinos.

If Twitch wants to keep those gambling streams then it would be fine, but they should also restrict that content to people over 18 or 16 years old, somehow.

Age restriction would never work on a platform with majority of its audience under 18

In that case, you must think that Twitter and Instagram are hell on earth because those social media are all about influencing. I have seen some cases in Instagram about people who basically fake being rich or photoshop themselves beyond recognition for the sake of getting followers and clout; Twitter is also the home of all kind of sick people.  You probably you have also listened to some cases yourself.

At least, on Twitch one can get entertainment and have fun watching some actually authentic and humble streamers and not only throwing money at girls streaming themselves in a jacuzzi.

Those social medias are massive. And you will always get content tailored according to your interest.
I use Twitter and reddit on a daily basis, my feeds are full of wholesome content usually.

[AicecreaME]

Twitch has placed a ban on offshore casinos but not on gambling. With this, it is obvious that this is not the last straw, the one that would break the camel's back. Twitch does not put a stop to gambling streaming. So it did not stop gamblers from continuously showing to their audience, young and old, their gambling experience live. So whether gambling is a responsible content or not, Twitch did not take a side. It has banned certain platforms but not gambling in general. 

Few days after the issue about Sliker went out, many streamers expressed their disappointment of Twitch's policies regarding streaming gambling content because many streamers are bypassing the terms set already and the platform don't really make necessary actions about it. Hence, they started to make a noise to be noticed by Twitch stating that they will discontinue using the platform if they won't update their terms of service and ban other gambling content which the platform adhere in their request.

Twitch stated that they will ban streaming content about gambling related to unlicensed casinos in US for the greater good of many. Twitch also said that they will review and update their policy and the changes will take effect on 18th of October. They mentioned several casinos that has made big reputation already and said that they will name the others as they go along the process of making Twitch safer for the viewers and streamers. Hopefully, they will really strictly impose all their rules and policies to each and everyone because currently, they have many loopholes which they still don't attend to such as the all over referral codes and links about gambling sites that cater games which are supposedly prohibited, but it seems it is not because you can see it all over their platform.

[doomloop]

Gambling is something you are legally could do after you turn 18, why would it be something that could be viewed by thousands of kids on twitch? I support the idea that it is not something that should be streamed, I mean this sliker dude himself is the proof that it would be a horrible way to continue your life if you are an irresponsible person.

At the end of the day, there would be a lot of people "if I only win once" type of thinking and thousands of people who watch gambling on twitch will see people win and assume they could too and end up losing a lot of money. This is why I support that twitch should ban gambling and remove anyone who continues to do it.

18 years old is the legal age for most countries but for some it can be lower than that. We know kids, they are curious so they can view these things but I think many of them won't engage with it because they can find it boring.

Video games are still the main thing that can make a kid addicted especially if they are famous e.g Roblox and Fortnite or any other kid games out there. Many people viewed gambling as a negative thing but yet there are still there so why would twitch ban it? Doing so would only make their income less. The problem is not by the gambling or the platform itself but it was the person who are irresponsible on doing that thing.

[wxa7115]

This ban was long coming, if the streamers presented gambling in a responsible manner and they were honest about what you could expect out of gambling then I do not think they would have done something like this.

But this is not what happened, streamers began abusing their position and those watching them enabled them, so Twitch has decided to finally take action against them, and while this is a step on the wrong direction when it comes to the popularity of cryptocurrency casinos, I think they did not gave Twitch any other choice.

If I remember correctly, there was already a similar scandal regarding sexualized content and Twitch also took action, but little (if anything) has changed since then. The most popular streamers both did streams in pools and continue to do so, as they licked microphones and continue to do so. In addition, in the channel description they have links to their OF profiles or even to porn sites where they earn the main money. Maybe these restrictions regarding gambling are also exaggerated and will not affect anything?

While it is true that there will always be people trying to abuse the platform and violate their regulations, at least if they prohibit it on their TOS this means that as soon as someone reports those accounts and someone follows on that report then a ban can be issued without having to give any explanation to the offending account, as they knew what they we are doing.

So while this is not going to stop people from creating that content and using Twitch to promote it, at least we should see a reduction on that content appearing on their platform.

[Gyfts]

Gambling is something you are legally could do after you turn 18, why would it be something that could be viewed by thousands of kids on twitch? I support the idea that it is not something that should be streamed, I mean this sliker dude himself is the proof that it would be a horrible way to continue your life if you are an irresponsible person.

At the end of the day, there would be a lot of people "if I only win once" type of thinking and thousands of people who watch gambling on twitch will see people win and assume they could too and end up losing a lot of money. This is why I support that twitch should ban gambling and remove anyone who continues to do it.

18 years old is the legal age for most countries but for some it can be lower than that. We know kids, they are curious so they can view these things but I think many of them won't engage with it because they can find it boring.

Video games are still the main thing that can make a kid addicted especially if they are famous e.g Roblox and Fortnite or any other kid games out there. Many people viewed gambling as a negative thing but yet there are still there so why would twitch ban it? Doing so would only make their income less. The problem is not by the gambling or the platform itself but it was the person who are irresponsible on doing that thing.

It's why I suggested earlier in this thread that there be a disclaimer marked for anyone that is displaying any gambling content. A quick search tells me that the minimum age required to sign up for a Twitch.tv account is 13 (this is absurdly young, but to each his own I suppose). If they haven't already, ban any account that is under the age of 18 from accessing any form of gambling content videos/livestream, and then put a manual waiver or user agreement for all other accounts that force the user to accept the risks of gambling, and perhaps even put a support resources for gambling addiction in there as well.

They're allowing sports betting and gambling providers in the U.S., so it doesn't make sense why they would target out game operators outside the U.S.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Gambling is something you are legally could do after you turn 18, why would it be something that could be viewed by thousands of kids on twitch? I support the idea that it is not something that should be streamed, I mean this sliker dude himself is the proof that it would be a horrible way to continue your life if you are an irresponsible person.

At the end of the day, there would be a lot of people "if I only win once" type of thinking and thousands of people who watch gambling on twitch will see people win and assume they could too and end up losing a lot of money. This is why I support that twitch should ban gambling and remove anyone who continues to do it.

18 years old is the legal age for most countries but for some it can be lower than that. We know kids, they are curious so they can view these things but I think many of them won't engage with it because they can find it boring.

Video games are still the main thing that can make a kid addicted especially if they are famous e.g Roblox and Fortnite or any other kid games out there. Many people viewed gambling as a negative thing but yet there are still there so why would twitch ban it? Doing so would only make their income less. The problem is not by the gambling or the platform itself but it was the person who are irresponsible on doing that thing.

It's why I suggested earlier in this thread that there be a disclaimer marked for anyone that is displaying any gambling content. A quick search tells me that the minimum age required to sign up for a Twitch.tv account is 13 (this is absurdly young, but to each his own I suppose). If they haven't already, ban any account that is under the age of 18 from accessing any form of gambling content videos/livestream, and then put a manual waiver or user agreement for all other accounts that force the user to accept the risks of gambling, and perhaps even put a support resources for gambling addiction in there as well.

They're allowing sports betting and gambling providers in the U.S., so it doesn't make sense why they would target out game operators outside the U.S.

If I agree with what you transmit, I do not agree that I am a minor, but as minors enter platforms like this, today it can be gambling, or other video games, but I think that above all these rules should exist, because An apparent cause that things go wrong is because they give entrance to very minor minors, now all these things are very delicate due to the whole issue of protection of children and currently they have been put in place with many restrictions that can imprison the parents themselves for not be supervising what their children do on the web and in turn avoid many bad things that have happened.


In my personal opinion I think that a social network or any other similar medium each person gives it the use they want, in this case the only thing they have to do is make a rule where they prevent streamers from asking for money, something like that is done here in the forum but they don't have to make this a very big problem, in fact this extended to prohibit everything that has to do with the streamers of the most recognized casinos, of course among them is stake.com, so this is a policy that does not seem correct to me, just as they invented twitch, another one can come out that allows it and it is going to lose all that traffic sometimes they do not know how to do things well.