The Bitcoin Forum treats new members this way, and it will only go to extinction

[suchmoon]

The forum should be more tolerant to novices, rather than just killing them.

Nope. The forum has become way too tolerant to plagiarising assholes and other shitposting scum. There was a time that one report could get you banned and that perhaps was too harsh but now it's gotten to the point where it might take 10-20 reports of a serious intentional rule violation to get even a temp ban, if that. Let's see how long it takes to get you banned for evasion.

If anything, I think allowing shit-stirrers like you to drown out legitimate users with your preposterous walls of text is contributing to "killing" the forum but it's part of the whole free speech shtick so whatever, have at it. Thank God for inventing the Ignore button.

[Scarlett@good luck]

But in grand scheme of things, if you're really easily offended by random anonymous strangers over the internet, then the internet is probably not for you.

And definitely not bitcointalk, which does indeed have a prickly atmosphere.  You either suck it up and deal with it or you leave--you're not going to change anybody's behavior by complaining that they're being mean.  And frankly, half the reason why older members are "rude" to newbies is because newbies have caused most of the problems, whether it's shitposting for bounties, spamming, necrobumping, or what have you--and all without first reading the rules.

And in the first place, if your main intention was to learn, you'd just ignore those "rude people" and just continue doing your research.

Yeah, and if learning is the goal, you would do well to just lurk here for a few months before registering.  That way, you'd get a sense of what the bitcointalk culture is like ahead of time, and you'd be prepared (or you just wouldn't create an account).  I don't understand why someone would just join a forum without visiting it at least a few times beforehand.  I've done that for every forum I've ever been a member of.

I just want to publish as many posts as possible and make some contributions.

Ah, so you wanted to join a bounty/signature campaign as soon as possible, and you just want the forum to be nice and comfortable for you.  Got it.

Are young people these days learning how to grow a spine and not be so fuckin' snowflakey?  I'm guessing by the content of OP's post that he's probably in his 20s or even younger.  If this so-called rudeness bothers him so much, it makes me wonder how he functions in real life.

• 1. All heroes and legendary members have grown up from novices. Different novices have different problems. You can't put all newbies on one level. Your tone is full of nobility and superiority. All faults are attributed to the novice, and it is your superior attitude that prevents the newcomer from entering the forum. If all old users treat novices in this way, then new users will not be able to enter, and the forum is doomed to perish.
• 2. The current networks are fast-paced networks. How many users will have the patience to lie in for a few months before communicating? You can't ask all novices to be like you, just like there are things you can't do, but others can do.
• 3. The age of the novice has nothing to do with the posts you publish. You can't age discrimination. Are you not qualified to publish your opinions when you are 20 or younger? I don’t know what the bounty program is, and where is the signature event, I haven’t seen it yet? Why do you say that I came to the forum for these?I just checked that the forum has a bounty program section, which is a section of the forum itself. Why are you newcomers to the bounty program so disgusted?Although I am studying, but I feel a bit extreme。
• 4. Why do you say that I have no spine? When this happens, most people choose to leave the forum and never come back. I choose to defend my rights and speak for myself

I disagree with every word you say, but I respect your right to speak.
You only represent yourself, not other old users.[/list]

[lovesmayfamilis]

Who came up with the rule that if a user gets banned, they can't post to other threads anymore? Was that the rule for everyone? Why is this branch still alive? Why is the banned user's second account, Scarlett @ good luck, still active?
I like the comparison with the generation of snowflakes. Newbies today are very sensitive. We must run after them everywhere and warn about every wrong step. Wipe off the snot and listen to their tears for what they could not do on their own in time. If the forum needs such people, then rename it to a kindergarten, not even a school.
A test of the mad love for this forum will be the ban on signatures for a period of more than a year. This is a litmus test for those who sing so sweetly about their unfulfilled plans.
You will see all the "love" for this forum if this divine dandelion remains, and even achieves something during this time.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

You can't put all newbies on one level.

I'm not.  There are some who are great, and I love giving them merits.  But I'm speaking in generalities, and as an example of how bad newbies are in general to the forum, Theymos had to create the merit system in order to curb the rampant account farming and shitposting that was being done primarily by low-ranked accounts.  The problem persists even today, with newcomers rushing to the forum to join bounties or sig campaigns, and they don't care about the quality of their posts, just the number of them.  You weren't here for the darkest days of bitcointalk back in 2018, so hopefully that enlightens you a bit.

Your tone is full of nobility and superiority. All faults are attributed to the novice, and it is your superior attitude that prevents the newcomer from entering the forum.

No it isn't.  I have no power to stop anyone from joining or staying on the forum.  If you assign that much power to me, that says more about you than it does me.

If all old users treat novices in this way, then new users will not be able to enter, and the forum is doomed to perish.

That isn't true, either, nor do all "old users" treat members in whatever way you're thinking.  Perhaps you're also lumping groups of members together?  And believe me, it doesn't matter how rudely newbies get treated.  They'll keep coming and doing the same shit they've been doing for years: polluting the forum with one-line nonsensical posts with zero value.  Again, not all of them, but I'd say the majority of them do that.

The current networks are fast-paced networks. How many users will have the patience to lie in for a few months before communicating? You can't ask all novices to be like you, just like there are things you can't do, but others can do.

What networks are you talking about?  And why is it too much of an expectation that people do some reading on a forum before they jump in and start posting?  That's perfectly acceptable as long as someone has something worthwhile to say, or if they have legitimate questions that need to be asked--and I say need, because most questions can be answered by utilizing that nice little search button that a lot of newbies ignore. 

Also: most new members don't even have the patience or the willingness to read the rules, as evidenced by the number of ban appeal threads in Meta.  That's a problem.

You can't age discrimination.

Sure I can; you just don't like it.  But the fact is that if someone is mature, they won't Leeroy Jenkins themself onto a forum and just start complaining about how rudely they're being treated.  They'd know the internet can be a cold, cruel place and any attempt to change other people's attitudes, behaviors, or anything else is an unrealistic goal.  A mature person would see that the forum isn't the right fit for him/her and go elsewhere--and believe me, that isn't going to kill bitcointalk.  You're giving yourself way too much credit.

Why do you say that I have no spine? When this happens, most people choose to leave the forum and never come back.

I don't say that to everyone.  I say that to people who show no evidence of having a spine.  You might think you're fighting back, but what you're doing is pointless.

You only represent yourself, not other old users.

I never said I represented anyone other than myself.  Argument: FAIL.

[Scarlett@good luck]

You can't put all newbies on one level.

I'm not.  There are some who are great, and I love giving them merits.  But I'm speaking in generalities, and as an example of how bad newbies are in general to the forum, Theymos had to create the merit system in order to curb the rampant account farming and shitposting that was being done primarily by low-ranked accounts.  The problem persists even today, with newcomers rushing to the forum to join bounties or sig campaigns, and they don't care about the quality of their posts, just the number of them.  You weren't here for the darkest days of bitcointalk back in 2018, so hopefully that enlightens you a bit.

Your tone is full of nobility and superiority. All faults are attributed to the novice, and it is your superior attitude that prevents the newcomer from entering the forum.

No it isn't.  I have no power to stop anyone from joining or staying on the forum.  If you assign that much power to me, that says more about you than it does me.

If all old users treat novices in this way, then new users will not be able to enter, and the forum is doomed to perish.

That isn't true, either, nor do all "old users" treat members in whatever way you're thinking.  Perhaps you're also lumping groups of members together?  And believe me, it doesn't matter how rudely newbies get treated.  They'll keep coming and doing the same shit they've been doing for years: polluting the forum with one-line nonsensical posts with zero value.  Again, not all of them, but I'd say the majority of them do that.

The current networks are fast-paced networks. How many users will have the patience to lie in for a few months before communicating? You can't ask all novices to be like you, just like there are things you can't do, but others can do.

What networks are you talking about?  And why is it too much of an expectation that people do some reading on a forum before they jump in and start posting?  That's perfectly acceptable as long as someone has something worthwhile to say, or if they have legitimate questions that need to be asked--and I say need, because most questions can be answered by utilizing that nice little search button that a lot of newbies ignore. 

Also: most new members don't even have the patience or the willingness to read the rules, as evidenced by the number of ban appeal threads in Meta.  That's a problem.

You can't age discrimination.

Sure I can; you just don't like it.  But the fact is that if someone is mature, they won't Leeroy Jenkins themself onto a forum and just start complaining about how rudely they're being treated.  They'd know the internet can be a cold, cruel place and any attempt to change other people's attitudes, behaviors, or anything else is an unrealistic goal.  A mature person would see that the forum isn't the right fit for him/her and go elsewhere--and believe me, that isn't going to kill bitcointalk.  You're giving yourself way too much credit.

Why do you say that I have no spine? When this happens, most people choose to leave the forum and never come back.

I don't say that to everyone.  I say that to people who show no evidence of having a spine.  You might think you're fighting back, but what you're doing is pointless.

You only represent yourself, not other old users.

I never said I represented anyone other than myself.  Argument: FAIL.

• Just now I browsed some posts again. Of course, I agree with what you said that there will be some new people (including old members) who will publish some posts of no quality for the purpose of doing bounty programs or signing activities. In this case, you must be there. But not all newcomers are in this situation, and should be handled according to the actual situation, not one size fits all.
• I am not for the bounty program and signature. Believe it or not, I cannot judge how valuable my historical posts are and whether they are helpful to others, but I also don’t think my posts are spam and polluting forum posts. Because I believe in one thing, that is that a dark heart cannot have a brilliant face. I really study in the community and strive to output my value. Although as a newcomer I am not particularly smart, but I love this place of.
• The forum should not judge whether it should stay in the forum by maturity or immaturity, but by whether it can absorb knowledge and create value in the forum. All mature people grow up slowly from immaturity.

[LoyceV]

Are young people these days learning how to grow a spine and not be so fuckin' snowflakey?

That's so offensive, I'm leaving!

[nutildah]

Nope. The forum has become way too tolerant to plagiarising assholes and other shitposting scum. There was a time that one report could get you banned and that perhaps was too harsh but now it's gotten to the point where it might take 10-20 reports of a serious intentional rule violation to get even a temp ban, if that. Let's see how long it takes to get you banned for evasion.

We really could use some fresh blood in the moderation department.

[Aliceooo78]

Are young people these days learning how to grow a spine and not be so fuckin' snowflakey?

That's so offensive, I'm leaving!

I am also a newcomer. I don’t participate in the bounty program, because I don’t like the feeling of being surrounded by ALT. Many people’s active value is very high, but the merit is 0. So I feel that the forum should set a high threshold for the bounty program, and there is no natural shielding. Value newcomer users will not have so many scams. When a person or a team is inspired by the interests, things become meaningless. If all the bounty programs can be interviewed and reviewed by the administrators and staff, I feel better. So I will feel like you in the future, it doesn't make sense, I will leave this section. In fact, there is some helplessness.

[kaggie]

We really could use some fresh blood in the moderation department.

Who has time to monitor the millionth person claiming to be Satoshi or claiming to own extremely valuable yada yada,
besides the spammers and scammers.

lol

[Scarlett@good luck]

Nope. The forum has become way too tolerant to plagiarising assholes and other shitposting scum. There was a time that one report could get you banned and that perhaps was too harsh but now it's gotten to the point where it might take 10-20 reports of a serious intentional rule violation to get even a temp ban, if that. Let's see how long it takes to get you banned for evasion.

We really could use some fresh blood in the moderation department.

• It is indeed very necessary.
  Respect the predecessors who have contributed to this, but also maintain the new impetus to accept the progress of the times.

Are young people these days learning how to grow a spine and not be so fuckin' snowflakey?

That's so offensive, I'm leaving!

[/list]

   

• His offense is meaningless, because I browsed his past cursing posts.He hates intentional plagiarism, hates others for challenging the rules, and does not understand why newcomers do not read the rules in advance.It can be seen that he has not progressed with the times.
• He doesn't understand that the current users are getting younger and younger and need to understand their habits. I would like to ask Mr. The Pharmacist, do you and your dad have exactly the same ideas? I don't know if you have any children. Will all your children do everything in the same rhythm as you? As a legend, what you should do is to help them come to the forum with love. Hope they learn to handle things steadily.
• Your stubborn requirement is that every newcomer must, like you, read the rules for a few months before entering the forum to be eligible to post on the forum. This is unrealistic.
  No one will never make mistakes. If they make a mistake, they think that this person is not suitable for staying in the forum. This is barbaric, and one size fits all will make the forum lose more. There are strict rules but also love and human tolerance.

[nutildah]

We really could use some fresh blood in the moderation department.

Who has time to monitor the millionth person claiming to be Satoshi or claiming to own extremely valuable yada yada,
besides the spammers and scammers.

lol

Wot. AFAIK Satoshi claims aren't moderated here and narcissism is baseline activity.

Not even scammers are moderated.

Just spammers basically. Shouldn't be too hard of a job one would think.