The Bitcoin Forum treats new members this way, and it will only go to extinction

[Scarlett@good luck]

I remember coming to the forum to start learning a month ago. I thought I found the treasure. I am a little embarrassed to study by myself. I just want to publish as many posts as possible and make some contributions. I am very happy. I didn't expect it to be so fast. Begin to summarize the decadent system of the forum and question whether the current system really meets the original intention of the forum?

Why are old users repelling new users because they have contributed to the forum for a long time? So you can feel superior? How many new users have been beaten to death by the arrogance of these old guys, everyone You can check the latest post.

I would like to share my personal experience here.
In the last few years, I have suggested this forum to three of my friends.
Two of them did not even manage to register to the end due to evil fee rules.
When they saw the message that because of the evil fee they had to pay some amount to be able to post on this forum they just started laughing and said there was no way they would pay any money for the right to post on some forum.
A third friend managed to register and luckily didn’t get the message that an evil fee should be paid but as soon as he started posting on this forum he was severely attacked by other members for a couple of unintentional, beginner mistakes he made like restarting an old thread that he simply gave up and said he would never return to this forum again.
I am also a member of other forums and the same problem exists there, the declining interest of young people in forums.
This is obviously a trend that can no longer be reversed and forums are slowly becoming an outdated way of internet communication.
However, I believe that a large number of new members have dropped out of this forum due to the evil fee and the hostile welcome of older members. 

When everyone came to the forum to post with enthusiasm, they did not receive a warm welcome,
but first to see if there was any problem with the other party, and the proud friends started to take action.
When some people enjoy finding newcomers for fouling, and they are praised for doing well, what kind of forum status is this, what kind of atmosphere? Is this positive energy?
Newcomers need to be careful when entering the forum, because someone will come out and say you problem.

I am complaining I can’t see new users coming in. And while I do agree newer (younger) user might be prone to short attention span, I refuse to think we cannot engage a few thousands people all over the world interested in bitcoin to write a merit worth post monthly in this forum.
This is what worries me the most: a community not able to engage new members is eventually going to die.
And I think that day it would be a sad one.

I think this community in its current state is not very welcoming for new members and that will effect the amount of people are register but also the people who do register might not want to engage out of fear of hostilities. I am not branding the whole community as being unwelcoming because there are definitely people out there that make it like their goal to welcome new members into the community but overall I do think there is a problem there even if it is the minority. The only way we are going to correct that is by more senior members correcting their behaviors.

I totally agree with what you're saying. There has to be a change in the manner which the upper ranks engage newbies. There is boundless information to learn here  and it is impossible to know everything at once. Its true there are a lot of spammers who have bad intentions. But please don't label every newbie the same. I think its more effective to treat newbies are like children understanding the time, patience and training that is needed for them to grow run. Sometimes I think every one is too serious and uptight. This is a forum of crypto lovers. Why can't we just have fun?

What do you think? Do you think forum is losing userbase and this is a bad thing? Are there other reasons this is happening and other solutions?

Let's be honest, the forum is static (or evolving at a very slow rate) and that has to be addressed. What stopped the forum from having a mobile app, having a more mobile friendly interface by now or introducing new features that'll make the forum a little bit interesting. For example, apparently I became more active on Facebook around the same time I created my account on the forum and the numerous changes been observed on the platform has a lot to says about how they value the community feedback. I'm not trying to compared both platform since Facebook has so many flaws but you should get an idea of where I'm coming from.

I have seen countless number of thread created giving suggestions on how to improve the forum yet none is been looked into (atleast that's what it looks like). When people starts observing that the forum doesn't care about their suggestions then they'll stop trying to help which is why I think we haven't been seeing much of those suggestions recently. It's no doubt the forum is outdated and something urgent has to be done about this before it gets too late.

We're losing user base and this isn't just because Bitcoin is on the decline of recent and other crackdown by search engine on bitcoin related search etc. We are losing because this generation aren't familiar with this format the forum is using. Things has evolved and the forum should evolved too. I still have my doubts if any of the suggestion made on this thread will be put into consideration although nice initiative my the OP.

I have feelings in the forum and feel that this forum is valuable, so I wrote this appeal post here.
The vast majority of banned novices may never come to the forum again.
How I adore the legendary users at the beginning, they reply to me, I will be so happy, I think it is a great honor to be able to get the guidance of the legend.
And now I don’t think so. Legend does not understand the status quo of new users entering the forum, they have become accustomed to the rules of the forum. They no longer want to change but are satisfied with the status quo.
This is the inherent arrogance and prejudice of these legendary users on the forum,But most people forget that they also came from a novice step by step.
The forum should be more tolerant to novices, rather than just killing them.

I have explained articles about me being reported by that person many times. I still don't know how to post. I tried to publish it. I am very happy to see someone comment. I'm curious. At that time, I also saw the comment that the guy gave me. At that time, I didn't know where to modify the post.
But no one dares to stand up for new users, no one dares to challenge the rules, and novices who are bullied by those guys dare not stand up because their opponents are old users.
They have contributed to the forum because they are older than us. Blame my mother for not giving birth to me earlier. If I was born 10 years ago, it would be a legend.

I must admit I am quite surprised of the quality of this thread.
Every single post contributed valuable ideas and proposal. Even if I might not agree I think everyone tought about what proposed.
So I tried to sum up here the main points that emerged all over the thread. I also included some sort of “proponent” even if the idea was shared or proposed by multiple users. This is why I didn’t link to a specific post.

So, here is the foor for thoughts that emerged on this thread

According to some of the readers of this thread, Bitcointalk is losing steam because of the following reasons:

• Lack of SEO. Bitcointalk.org results are buried in tha back pages [@NeuroticFish]
• Automated payment for posts on other platform[Citation needed] [@NeuroticFish]
• In the last 12 years, community spirit has changed since Satsohi created it: it’s no longer a transnational free spirits community, but some bunch of people looking at bitcoin as a “Get rich quick scheme. As opposed to a “don’t get poor slowly'' scheme. [@JetCash]
• Declining quality of posts [@ddmrddmr]
• Lack of mobile theme [@almost everyone]
• Hostility toward new members [@Daniel91]
• Staticness, or too slowly evolving forum experience [@CryptopreneurBrainboss]
• It’ a natural evolution of the userbase who moves on, not replenished by other members. [@dkbit98]
  the forum is dying - and perhaps that's deserved / inevitable. [@ AdolfinWolf]

I am complaining I can’t see new users coming in. And while I do agree newer (younger) user might be prone to short attention span, I refuse to think we cannot engage a few thousands people all over the world interested in bitcoin to write a merit worth post monthly in this forum.
This is what worries me the most: a community not able to engage new members is eventually going to die.
And I think that day it would be a sad one.

I think this community in its current state is not very welcoming for new members and that will effect the amount of people are register but also the people who do register might not want to engage out of fear of hostilities. I am not branding the whole community as being unwelcoming because there are definitely people out there that make it like their goal to welcome new members into the community but overall I do think there is a problem there even if it is the minority. The only way we are going to correct that is by more senior members correcting their behaviors. As for attracting new members I do not think theymos or any of the staff are going to do anything but as a community we could organize things. Hell the only thing that seems to work around here is signature campaigns so maybe we could do a community funded advertising campaign for those that have big followings and pay them for sponsored content or we could fund raise as a community and pay for advertising ourselves but I would like to see some of the forum funds used for this.

Whatever the solution we need to find one as the forum is slowly but certainly losing its members.

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[mk4]

The evil fees aside, are we honestly still complaining about rude people over the internet? In 2021? In the first place, most people here wouldn't be unnecessarily rude unless you do something really really shady. But in grand scheme of things, if you're really easily offended by random anonymous strangers over the internet, then the internet is probably not for you.

And in the first place, if your main intention was to learn, you'd just ignore those "rude people" and just continue doing your research.

[kxwhalexk]

The evil fees aside, are we honestly still complaining about rude people over the internet? In 2021? In the first place, most people here wouldn't be unnecessarily rude unless you do something really really shady. But in grand scheme of things, if you're really easily offended by random anonymous strangers over the internet, then the internet is probably not for you.

And in the first place, if your main intention was to learn, you'd just ignore those "rude people" and just continue doing your research.

Here is the cause of the matter, which may have nothing to do with "Rudeness on the Internet".I think this is the reason why OP made this post.

My account has been banned, I was unintentional, please give me some help.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I remember ....

Ban evasion.

[mk4]

Here is the cause of the matter, which may have nothing to do with "Rudeness on the Internet".I think this is the reason why OP made this post.

My account has been banned, I was unintentional, please give me some help.

1. So OP plagiarized, which is a serious offense, and got banned.
2. OP is apologizing in the thread, and people are telling why it's a serious offense(without actually being rude) hence irreversible.
3. Now we have this thread.

Ok.

[Poker Player]

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The effort you are putting in these threads you could have put in creating quality posts without plagiarizing, it is obvious that you have the ability. You chose the fast track, cheating. Now don't complain, take the consequences of your actions.

[valentine wheeler]

Here is the cause of the matter, which may have nothing to do with "Rudeness on the Internet".I think this is the reason why OP made this post.

My account has been banned, I was unintentional, please give me some help.

1. So OP plagiarized, which is a serious offense, and got banned.
2. OP is apologizing in the thread, and people are telling why it's a serious offense(without actually being rude) hence irreversible.
3. Now we have this thread.

Ok.

Up to now, in all the replies, there are three women, lovesmayfamilis, mk4, and finally I personally feel that the author is also a woman. The inspiration I got is that you really take everything seriously. But it is undeniable that what the author said and quoted really caused many young people to leave the Bitcoin forum. I think we should face it positively. Because newcomers do not have the habit of forums, the old members and high-level members of the forum who have merits are not policemen, nor do they have to play the role of judges.

Outside of any rules or laws, there is warmth. Don’t let newcomers not feel the love of the Bitcoin forum, rather than cold arguments. Secondly, I also found that the forum has gangs, such aslovesmayfamilis，LoyceV。

They seem to be a gang. I agree with their job responsibilities, but I am not optimistic that a Bitcoin forum is divided into many gangs. Bitcoin is decentralized. I think Bitcoin forums should be more free.

One more thing I want to say is that unintentional plagiarism, or well-intentioned plagiarism, does not bring any harm to readers. My reason is that plagiarism does not mean cheating, lying, or creating rumors. At most, the problem lies in disrespect for the author of the original article, but in the Internet information age, we have not yet developed that all speeches have clear copyright.

I think that for novices’ unintentional plagiarism, we can remind or give a warning and let the author indicate the source. I think this is our responsibility. In other words, a forum user manual will be automatically pushed after successful registration of the forum.

It’s okay to ban the author’s account. I don’t think this is the point of the whole thing. The point is how the Bitcoin forum can do better.

[Scarlett@good luck]

I remember ....

Ban evasion.

I never escaped!
When I posted the first post, you came to comment on plagiarism. I thought you were a friendly reminder. At that time, you thought you were very friendly. You can report me at that time and let me sacrifice a month ago, but you waited until A month later, I have feelings for the forum. After putting all my energy into reporting me and destroying me, what is your intention?
Is it honorable to show your brutal reporting method?

[Findingnemo]

Not only new members everyone will get such treatment unless they do something extraordinary and made everyone to turn into their side this is not only common in bitcointalk but everywhere you will get such responses initially. But why we need to take all those replies personally just remember that this is an online forum and everyone here is same to others because bitcointalk have same rules for newbies as well as legendaries.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I remember ....

Ban evasion.

I never escaped!
When I posted the first post, you came to comment on plagiarism. I thought you were a friendly reminder. At that time, you thought you were very friendly. You can report me at that time and let me sacrifice a month ago, but you waited until A month later, I have feelings for the forum. After putting all my energy into reporting me and destroying me, what is your intention?
Is it honorable to show your brutal reporting method?

You are prohibited from posting on the forum after being banned.

25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.[e]

You can only write to your branch on appeal. What are you hoping for? You were simply and told by the moderator that you have no chance.

I wasn't and have now found out only through my research. Sorry Scarlett but there is no pardon.

Stop breaking the rules. It would be useful to know them while you are on the forum.
Moderators, please close the topic.

[Poker Player]

Up to now, in all the replies, there are three women, lovesmayfamilis, mk4, and finally I personally feel that the author is also a woman. The inspiration I got is that you really take everything seriously.

How do you know they are women? And what do you care if they are women or men?

But it is undeniable that what the author said and quoted really caused many young people to leave the Bitcoin forum.

It is undeniable that what you say is just a huge bullcrap. Those who use this forum responsibly, without cheating, to learn and share opinions do not abandon it.

Don’t let newcomers not feel the love of the Bitcoin forum, rather than cold arguments. Secondly, I also found that the forum has gangs, such aslovesmayfamilis，LoyceV。

In other words, people who have merited you are gangs:



Edit: the main gangster has merited you again for what you say.

You know that's a joke, right?

I get it now. It seemed to me too delusional.

It’s okay to ban the author’s account. I don’t think this is the point of the whole thing. The point is how the Bitcoin forum can do better.

Not with your ideas, that's for sure.

[LoyceV]

But no one dares to stand up for new users, no one dares to challenge the rules, and novices who are bullied by those guys dare not stand up because their opponents are old users.

That's not true. I've seen people try to change rules, and I've seen rules adjusted because of community requests. I do believe both Bitcoin and Bitcointalk need new users to grow it's potential.

The effort you are putting in these threads you could have put in creating quality posts without plagiarizing

Although this is true, and although technically this topic by itself is ban evasion and thus not allowed, I believe the plagiarism rule sometimes hits the wrong people.
Don't get me wrong: it is plagiarism, and not allowed. But plagiarism (and copyright violations) are all over the internet. When I report plagiarism, I often can't even tell which site has the original, because so many sites have copied the same text.

the forum has gangs, such aslovesmayfamilis，LoyceV

You know that's a joke, right?

One more thing I want to say is that unintentional plagiarism, or well-intentioned plagiarism, does not bring any harm to readers. My reason is that plagiarism does not mean cheating

At some point, plagiarism got really out of hand. It was used by bots or workers in sweatshops to maximize signature campaign earnings, followed by text spinners and homograph attacks to make it harder to detect. Thousands of accounts have been banned for this, and they deserve it, but once in a while I stumble upon someone who I think deserves a warning. If that warning arrives before the user is banned, so he can edit his post and improve his behaviour, he can continue being a valuable user.

I think that for novices’ unintentional plagiarism, we can remind or give a warning and let the author indicate the source.

I think you don't realize this isn't deserved in 99% of the plagiarism cases. But there are exceptions, and considering how common plagiarism is on the internet, a Newbie welcome message with a warning would surely help for the few real "accidental" cases.

In OP's case, I think he (she?) can be a contributing user, and I don't think they'll plagiarize again after this warning.

[valentine wheeler]

Up to now, in all the replies, there are three women, lovesmayfamilis, mk4, and finally I personally feel that the author is also a woman. The inspiration I got is that you really take everything seriously.

How do you know they are women? And what do you care if they are women or men?

But it is undeniable that what the author said and quoted really caused many young people to leave the Bitcoin forum.

It is undeniable that what you say is just a huge bullcrap. Those who use this forum responsibly, without cheating, to learn and share opinions do not abandon it.

Don’t let newcomers not feel the love of the Bitcoin forum, rather than cold arguments. Secondly, I also found that the forum has gangs, such aslovesmayfamilis，LoyceV。

In other words, people who have merited you are gangs:



Edit: the main gangster has merited you again for what you say.

You know that's a joke, right?

I get it now. It seemed to me too delusional.

It’s okay to ban the author’s account. I don’t think this is the point of the whole thing. The point is how the Bitcoin forum can do better.

Not with your ideas, that's for sure.

I respect everyone (lovesmayfamilis, LoyceV), because as a novice, they give me confidence and a sense of accomplishment. I am really stating the facts, not representing personal feelings, and simply expressing my own opinions. I will only stand in what I think On the right side, and my purpose is not to have a heated debate with you, my purpose is only one, the forum is getting better and better. I don't agree with what you said, these are all my ideas, no doubt. It is normal for this author (scarlett7777) to be banned. What is abnormal is the one-size-fits-all approach of the forum. Poker Player's views are personal and emotional, not objective, and I will not say that what you are talking about is nonsense.

[Poker Player]

I respect everyone (lovesmayfamilis, LoyceV), because as a novice, they give me confidence and a sense of accomplishment. I am really stating the facts, not representing personal feelings, and simply expressing my own opinions. I will only stand in what I think On the right side, and my purpose is not to have a heated debate with you, my purpose is only one, the forum is getting better and better. I don't agree with what you said, these are all my ideas, no doubt. It is normal for this author (scarlett7777) to be banned. What is abnormal is the one-size-fits-all approach of the forum. Poker Player's views are personal and emotional, not objective, and I will not say that what you are talking about is nonsense.

I've sent you a merit because I am a gangster as well.  

On a more serious note, I didn't understand why you called them gangsters, now I understand you better.

In OP's case, I think he (she?) can be a contributing user, and I don't think they'll plagiarize again after this warning.

Who knows. It would not be the first case of a person who starts by misusing the forum and ends up being someone important in it:

Don't give up on the Noob you encounter on the forum, help them BUIDL.

Or:

I found out yesterday that I listed "bounty spammer" DdmrDdmr to be nuked last February

Lol.

[Scarlett@good luck]

I remember ....

Ban evasion.

I never escaped!
When I posted the first post, you came to comment on plagiarism. I thought you were a friendly reminder. At that time, you thought you were very friendly. You can report me at that time and let me sacrifice a month ago, but you waited until A month later, I have feelings for the forum. After putting all my energy into reporting me and destroying me, what is your intention?
Is it honorable to show your brutal reporting method?

You are prohibited from posting on the forum after being banned.

25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.[e]

You can only write to your branch on appeal. What are you hoping for? You were simply and told by the moderator that you have no chance.

I wasn't and have now found out only through my research. Sorry Scarlett but there is no pardon.

Stop breaking the rules. It would be useful to know them while you are on the forum.
Moderators, please close the topic.

You are angry, are you afraid of others seeing it? You no longer have the grace you deserve as a legendary user. The moderator can block my account again, but this topic is now an undeniable topic of discussion value. I believe those who support this topic will continue to defend it.
Newcomers are killed because they don't understand the rules, and their accounts are permanently closed. Shouldn't you have a chance to speak for yourself?

[LoyceV]

Newcomers are killed because they don't understand the rules, and their accounts are permanently closed.

Might I suggest you focus on your ban appeal thread? Rewrite the OP, get rid of the textwall, and stop breaking more forum rules while waiting for a response to your ban appeal.

[kxwhalexk]

a Newbie welcome message with a warning would surely help for the few real "accidental" cases.

In OP's case, I think he (she?) can be a contributing user, and I don't think they'll plagiarize again after this warning.

I think this kind of information is very important for novices, at least make sure that the following articles or one of them can be read by novices when registering.
Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ
Newbies - Read before posting
[TIPS] to avoid plagiarism
[GUIDE] Plagiarism and how to avoid it.

As the number of people in the forum increases, it may be inevitable that some small groups (groups of like-minded people) will form.

I want to ask if there is such a group in Bitcointalk to join.

Yes, there is, AFAIK, there's someone making a thread about the Gangs of BitcoinTalk .
Let me name it here their gang name.

• Foxpup Merit Cycling Club
• The Thick-Skinned Gang
• The Nullian Cult
• The Clowns Cartel
• The Mods Gang
• The Wall Observer Gang
• The SpamBusters Gang
• The Scam Busters Gang
• The Collectors Gang
• ..and etc. just check the link above

Or there are outside forum groups like Telegram and Discord, you can choose where to join and by the way, welcome to Bitcointalk.  A Bitcoin community where talk about Bitcoin and crypto stuff in general.

I asked this question a few weeks ago. There must be some members who are interested in each other in the forum that has lasted for more than 10 years, thus forming small groups.

LoyceV's Avatar for Rent [first 🦊🦊2 YEARS🦊🦊 (122 weeks) rented out]

I almost finished reading this post, it is always interesting to read old posts. In addition, the time machine is great.  
Don't know how long it will take me to join. lol

[Scarlett@good luck]

Newcomers are killed because they don't understand the rules, and their accounts are permanently closed.

Might I suggest you focus on your ban appeal thread? Rewrite the OP, get rid of the textwall, and stop breaking more forum rules while waiting for a response to your ban appeal.

Yes, I tried to modify that wall, thank you.

[Kittygalore]

The evil fees aside, are we honestly still complaining about rude people over the internet? In 2021? In the first place, most people here wouldn't be unnecessarily rude unless you do something really really shady. But in grand scheme of things, if you're really easily offended by random anonymous strangers over the internet, then the internet is probably not for you.

And in the first place, if your main intention was to learn, you'd just ignore those "rude people" and just continue doing your research.

I think that the whining will only get worse in the coming years because the woke movement is slowly rising in power and we are currently in a snowflake generation that gets butthurt so easy even with just a simple banter or two. For me, I think the rude and snide remarks can go away and it's definitely a problem because it sort of gatekeeps newbies from the forum.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

But in grand scheme of things, if you're really easily offended by random anonymous strangers over the internet, then the internet is probably not for you.

And definitely not bitcointalk, which does indeed have a prickly atmosphere.  You either suck it up and deal with it or you leave--you're not going to change anybody's behavior by complaining that they're being mean.  And frankly, half the reason why older members are "rude" to newbies is because newbies have caused most of the problems, whether it's shitposting for bounties, spamming, necrobumping, or what have you--and all without first reading the rules.

And in the first place, if your main intention was to learn, you'd just ignore those "rude people" and just continue doing your research.

Yeah, and if learning is the goal, you would do well to just lurk here for a few months before registering.  That way, you'd get a sense of what the bitcointalk culture is like ahead of time, and you'd be prepared (or you just wouldn't create an account).  I don't understand why someone would just join a forum without visiting it at least a few times beforehand.  I've done that for every forum I've ever been a member of.

I just want to publish as many posts as possible and make some contributions.

Ah, so you wanted to join a bounty/signature campaign as soon as possible, and you just want the forum to be nice and comfortable for you.  Got it.

Are young people these days learning how to grow a spine and not be so fuckin' snowflakey?  I'm guessing by the content of OP's post that he's probably in his 20s or even younger.  If this so-called rudeness bothers him so much, it makes me wonder how he functions in real life.