[0.85 BTC / $20K SCAM] Playbetr.com + Betcoin.ag SCAM! Accounts closed, IGNORING

[LEVSKI7]

The rules have no legal value and are considered legislation.therefore, many sites were condemned under this paragraph, as announced by the bookmakers' association
now they are preparing a new scam in conjunction with the regulator
https://www.elconfidencial.com/tecnologia/2023-03-15/otra-cara-plan-garzon-regular-juego-online-protege-casas-apuestas_3591998/
but they will still lose in court

[PlayBetr]

what other mediation sites can the player use? 

Any player with a dispute can choose any mediator they want. As far as this player, the matter is closed. He doesnt get to hop from mediator to mediator hoping he finds one that rules in his favor. We spent a month working with this mediator, including countless hours spent researching and providing documentation of his fraud. If he didn't trust this mediator, he shouldve went with someone else. Obviously he wasnt going to choose askgamblers, as they ruled against him previously, as well. These mediators do not make it easy on us. They exist to advocate for players. In this case, we had ample evidence to show abuse. If we didn't, the account wouldnt have been shut down, to begin with. This matter is closed.

[Pmalek]

...but they will still lose in court

Then take them to court and prove your case if you or anyone else thinks they have one.
Personally, I find it impossible to side with the player in this particular case. It would be sad if he was innocent. He took the case to a mediator that ruled against him. That coupled with a record of previous failed mediation attempts and abuses makes it hard for me to think he is innocent. I am sure you won't agree, but that's your opinion. 

[LEVSKI7]

if igra4a has created several accounts in his name, it is the site's fault, it is 4e who allowed it and not a reason to steal his money.if different people have opened an account from the same IP, that is their right and as soon as they have confirmed their account they can play. this is clear from the law. the smallest violation would be discrimination
from these court decisions it can be seen that criminal activity is carried out by the sites-limit closure of accounts and other similar frauds

[cru7ufy]

what other mediation sites can the player use? 

Any player with a dispute can choose any mediator they want. As far as this player, the matter is closed. He doesnt get to hop from mediator to mediator hoping he finds one that rules in his favor. We spent a month working with this mediator, including countless hours spent researching and providing documentation of his fraud. If he didn't trust this mediator, he shouldve went with someone else. Obviously he wasnt going to choose askgamblers, as they ruled against him previously, as well. These mediators do not make it easy on us. They exist to advocate for players. In this case, we had ample evidence to show abuse. If we didn't, the account wouldnt have been shut down, to begin with. This matter is closed.

To everyone saying I have taken this to mediator. All I did was post the same thing I posted here on there. Not once did I get reached out to by ThePogg, which Playbetr are claiming. They claim we have had contact yet they have never emailed me or messaged me about anything. The only thing I ever heard from ThePogg was this: https://gyazo.com/25773442394a5c6997be0b69bcc3ee81

I was not able to communicate with them at all, but once again Playbetr are making up false lies and accusations. To people who do not believe I am innocent, I can prove everything to you in 5 minutes in a call. I can prove to you they are lying and have zero proof of any of their claims, which are all based on fabricated evidence. Soon everyone will see what frauds Playbetr are.

[John Abraham]

Any player with a dispute can choose any mediator they want. As far as this player, the matter is closed. He doesnt get to hop from mediator to mediator hoping he finds one that rules in his favor. We spent a month working with this mediator, including countless hours spent researching and providing documentation of his fraud. If he didn't trust this mediator, he shouldve went with someone else. Obviously he wasnt going to choose askgamblers, as they ruled against him previously, as well. These mediators do not make it easy on us. They exist to advocate for players. In this case, we had ample evidence to show abuse. If we didn't, the account wouldnt have been shut down, to begin with. This matter is closed.

Since you guys already spent countless hours researching his fraudulent activities. You must have those documents ready which you provided to thepogg.com. I don't know how thepogg.com mediator works, but I did not see any reply from Playbetr on the complaint thread. The user claims that thepogg.com never asked him anything related to this accusation. Let's say you are right. Do you deny that there could be miss understanding of detecting multiple accounts since this user claims once he used VPN? If VPN is not allowed then that's another case. But this guy claims he never heard of playbetr before, and he did not create multiple accounts. So, I would request you to cooperate with another mediator. This time it won't take that long since the documents are ready.

@OP, can you please stop swearing and come to the point? Your swearing and yelling won't make the difference. Would you mind contact with another mediator and invite playbetr? Would you accept the decision will come from another mediator?

[Blossom15]

what other mediation sites can the player use?  

Any player with a dispute can choose any mediator they want. As far as this player, the matter is closed. He doesnt get to hop from mediator to mediator hoping he finds one that rules in his favor. We spent a month working with this mediator, including countless hours spent researching and providing documentation of his fraud. If he didn't trust this mediator, he shouldve went with someone else. Obviously he wasnt going to choose askgamblers, as they ruled against him previously, as well. These mediators do not make it easy on us. They exist to advocate for players. In this case, we had ample evidence to show abuse. If we didn't, the account wouldnt have been shut down, to begin with. This matter is closed.

To everyone saying I have taken this to mediator. All I did was post the same thing I posted here on there. Not once did I get reached out to by ThePogg, which Playbetr are claiming. They claim we have had contact yet they have never emailed me or messaged me about anything. The only thing I ever heard from ThePogg was this: https://gyazo.com/25773442394a5c6997be0b69bcc3ee81

I was not able to communicate with them at all, but once again Playbetr are making up false lies and accusations. To people who do not believe I am innocent, I can prove everything to you in 5 minutes in a call. I can prove to you they are lying and have zero proof of any of their claims, which are all based on fabricated evidence. Soon everyone will see what frauds Playbetr are.

lol. so much for arbitration. I guess it was done and decided in secret?  

[cru7ufy]

Any player with a dispute can choose any mediator they want. As far as this player, the matter is closed. He doesnt get to hop from mediator to mediator hoping he finds one that rules in his favor. We spent a month working with this mediator, including countless hours spent researching and providing documentation of his fraud. If he didn't trust this mediator, he shouldve went with someone else. Obviously he wasnt going to choose askgamblers, as they ruled against him previously, as well. These mediators do not make it easy on us. They exist to advocate for players. In this case, we had ample evidence to show abuse. If we didn't, the account wouldnt have been shut down, to begin with. This matter is closed.

Since you guys already spent countless hours researching his fraudulent activities. You must have those documents ready which you provided to thepogg.com. I don't know how thepogg.com mediator works, but I did not see any reply from Playbetr on the complaint thread. The user claims that thepogg.com never asked him anything related to this accusation. Let's say you are right. Do you deny that there could be miss understanding of detecting multiple accounts since this user claims once he used VPN? If VPN is not allowed then that's another case. But this guy claims he never heard of playbetr before, and he did not create multiple accounts. So, I would request you to cooperate with another mediator. This time it won't take that long since the documents are ready.

@OP, can you please stop swearing and come to the point? Your swearing and yelling won't make the difference. Would you mind contact with another mediator and invite playbetr? Would you accept the decision will come from another mediator?

Yes I'm fine with that. Sorry for the language. I am still looking for mediators to contact. Or in some way get in contact with thePogg and ask why playbetr claim we have had contact when that is completely false.

Playbetr also mention arbitrate betting. "This player has been found guilty of arbitrage betting at Playbetr" in the past. First of all. Please show all of my bets. Please show how any of these were "arbitrage" bets. All my bets were NBA bets. Multiple times I've asked you to show my bet history to show the forum how I broke the rules, but again you ignore the request. Still making up new lies every day as the scam goes on.

My guess is they have either 1. Fabricated false evidence which they provided to ThePogg, or 2. Working together with thePogg

So if option 1 is true, which I believe, then it might not matter what mediator I contact. As they will provide the false evidence to that mediator and they will rule in Playbetrs favor again. Despite me being innocent which can be proven by myself.

[Pmalek]

To people who do not believe I am innocent, I can prove everything to you in 5 minutes in a call. I can prove to you they are lying and have zero proof of any of their claims, which are all based on fabricated evidence.

Why would someone need to talk to you privately to see the proof you have? If you have proof you are innocent and the casino is lying, make it public. If you don't want to share it because it contains sensitive information, it doesn't make much sense showing it to an unknown internet person behind a forum username.

Soon everyone will see what frauds Playbetr are.

Why soon, why don't we see it already?

[cru7ufy]

To people who do not believe I am innocent, I can prove everything to you in 5 minutes in a call. I can prove to you they are lying and have zero proof of any of their claims, which are all based on fabricated evidence.

Why would someone need to talk to you privately to see the proof you have? If you have proof you are innocent and the casino is lying, make it public. If you don't want to share it because it contains sensitive information, it doesn't make much sense showing it to an unknown internet person behind a forum username.

Soon everyone will see what frauds Playbetr are.

Why soon, why don't we see it already?

Because it obviously takes time to expose a big sportsbook for their scams. Me claiming I've been scammed obviously isn't enough, especially when they are denying it, making up lies & fabricating fake evidence. Just stay updated on this thread and you will soon see.

[Pmalek]

Just stay updated on this thread and you will soon see.

I am not a regular in the Scam Accusation board. I come here occasionally. If you want my attention with any future developments of this case, the best way is to mention my name or quote a previous post of mine. That way my bot will notify me and I will eventually check it out.

[cruso]

what other mediation sites can the player use? 

Any player with a dispute can choose any mediator they want. As far as this player, the matter is closed. He doesnt get to hop from mediator to mediator hoping he finds one that rules in his favor. We spent a month working with this mediator, including countless hours spent researching and providing documentation of his fraud. If he didn't trust this mediator, he shouldve went with someone else. Obviously he wasnt going to choose askgamblers, as they ruled against him previously, as well. These mediators do not make it easy on us. They exist to advocate for players. In this case, we had ample evidence to show abuse. If we didn't, the account wouldnt have been shut down, to begin with. This matter is closed.

It appears that you are quite eager to close this matter, which is understandable. In the interest of the community and for the benefit of your other clients, why not share the evidence you have regarding the OP's cheating, both for arbitrage and creating multiple accounts? The OP has requested this action, and it would demonstrate your transparency and honesty while clarifying who is truly responsible in this situation.

[bitcoinewman]

Scumbags. Unfortunately, I have also fallen victim to these sites in the past. It's a terrible feeling because you become so excited after winning big, only to have your hopes dashed when they delay the verification process and eventually come up with a reason to reject your payout.

[b0r0]

They are scammers and its confirmed, I talked about it few months ago and I warned moderators and users here that more and more threads about Betcoin and Playbetr will be pilling up, no-one is taking any measurements, books have same ownership, same support service and they often make misleading IP proofs taking informations from both sites and just close accounts and never even return deposit.

[ScamViruS]

Scumbags. Unfortunately, I have also fallen victim to these sites in the past. It's a terrible feeling because you become so excited after winning big, only to have your hopes dashed when they delay the verification process and eventually come up with a reason to reject your payout.

If you are a victim of trouble on this website then you can share your experience here, so that other gamblers will benefit to be careful about this website in advance. These casinos continue their marketing in this forum, which leads to more new gamblers joining these casinos. So if you share your bad experience and if it is true it will be good for this community.

[cru7ufy]

Hey. Update here from OP. I have made a short video explaining how I first found out about Playbetr, which was the end of last year. This video will show you a conversation with a friend of mine (another bettor) who recommended Playbetr to me. If you choose to believe me, this will prove I never was aware of the site until this date (dec 30 2022) and therefore it would prove that Playbetr have lied about me having used other accounts in the past. Please watch this video with a open mind, I'm aware it is not "proof" of anything, but anyone with reasoning would be aware that I am not lying about this being my first and only account which is explained in the video.

Here is the link, thank you in advance.
https://youtu.be/uR_jA9dxfiQ