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March 14, 2024, 03:38:29 AM
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I didn't chime in on the other thread because I've witnessed what is being discussed in this thread first-hand and did some digging months before this thread arose. In essence, I was saying "Hey, I've seen this going on as well". I'm not sure how that is a problem?

Because you're not doing that, you're throwing a lot of baseless accusations around and slighting individuals and entire companies without really having the first clue what you're talking about. That's the main problem. Nobody is going to interfere with your right to do that here, but you don't get to remain free of judgment or criticism; that is also our right to point out when what you're saying is wrong, contradictory, or simply doesn't make sense.

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March 14, 2024, 10:59:34 AM
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TLDR There would be a legitimate investigation here if anyone gave a shit enough so in my opinion, your post is both uncalled for and invalid.
You don't give a shit enough either, otherwise you would be conducting said investigation. Your post is just as useless as this thread. Besides, you missed the fact that OP already started another thread. Why didn't you chime in on that one? Its quite obvious OP works for a competing sportsbook and is just trying to shit on as many other casinos and campaign managers as possible. And you're sticking up for him. Well done.
You are literally wasting your time with him. Hopefully he will fade away in to a permanent absence now that he is no longer in any campaign.

I quit my signature campaign because I was taking a break from the forum. Not the other way around.

Well, not really. Whatever the reason for your leaving the campaign, that was maybe a convenient excuse, but not the truth.  You applied to a new one just a few minutes later, and we all know inactive accounts don't participate in campaigns.  But to make your claims sound even more ridiculous, you even created your own topic offering your signature space and "promising" at least 100 posts per month.  How would you be able to do that if you were planning on "taking a break from the forum"?

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March 14, 2024, 11:23:57 PM
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Did everyone receive invitations for Sportsbet gang annual special meeting yet?  Grin

I am going to propose free gang membership to all BSFL participants because we must have growth and not stagnation.
From next season we are introducing paid membership only Wink


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March 14, 2024, 11:29:42 PM
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With the offer he made to promote signatures it seems clear he did not intend to take a break, only he can explain the discrepancy in his statement but if we are being honest it will not have been the first time he has sent out conflicting messages. I could never fully work out why he would have a particular anti-agenda against the number of members and companies he chose to post about. Furthermore, the hypocrisy about what he would not promote and why, followed by the completely opposite course of action.

Are we surprised?

I quit my signature campaign because I was taking a break from the forum. Not the other way around.
Well, not really. Whatever the reason for your leaving the campaign, that was maybe a convenient excuse, but not the truth.  You applied to a new one just a few minutes later, and we all know inactive accounts don't participate in campaigns.  But to make your claims sound even more ridiculous, you even created your own topic offering your signature space and "promising" at least 100 posts per month.  How would you be able to do that if you were planning on "taking a break from the forum"?

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March 16, 2024, 02:26:37 AM
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You didn't post the username of these gang members; you just posted the merit link, so let me do it for you.

LFC_Bitcoin, jeremypwr, buwaytress (This will notify them just in case they're using the BitcoinTalk Telegram notification bot).
They are all Legendary Members. I think it doesn't matter if they're giving each other Merit.
Definitely doesn't matter if they're cycling the merits for themselves but I think that what OP is trying to say is that it's a bit unfair that the merits are not fairly distributed to other users that are outside of their clique, at least that's what I believe this is what it means. I guess, the merit sources should up their game if they don't want people like OP to be starting this kind of thread and to you OP, maybe the reason you're not getting the merits or you feel like the merits are distributed unfairly is because you're not posting what qualifies to the people that give merits as quality posts.

They spend tens of millions on sponsorships in the Premier League, but somehow it got stuck that the disputed merit distribution is in their thread.
As far as I know, the amount of merit distributed in the Sportsbet ANN thread is almost insignificant compared to WO (which is more meaningless), but that is another story that has already been discussed.
WO is a forum of it's own, there's no way to describe how that works.
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March 18, 2024, 07:21:55 AM
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Well, not really. Whatever the reason for your leaving the campaign, that was maybe a convenient excuse, but not the truth.  You applied to a new one just a few minutes later, and we all know inactive accounts don't participate in campaigns. 

The application was edited to "removed" not long after it was posted, which is when I made the decision.

But to make your claims sound even more ridiculous, you even created your own topic offering your signature space and "promising" at least 100 posts per month.  How would you be able to do that if you were planning on "taking a break from the forum"?

This was posted on February 26, when I still intended to be active in the forum, weeks before I decided officially to take a break. Also, that thread did not promise at least 100 posts per month. All it did was state my average amount of posts since in the last year.

I quit my signature campaign because I was taking a break from the forum. Not the other way around.
Well, not really. Whatever the reason for your leaving the campaign, that was maybe a convenient excuse, but not the truth.  You applied to a new one just a few minutes later, and we all know inactive accounts don't participate in campaigns.  But to make your claims sound even more ridiculous, you even created your own topic offering your signature space and "promising" at least 100 posts per month.  How would you be able to do that if you were planning on "taking a break from the forum"?
With the offer he made to promote signatures it seems clear he did not intend to take a break, only he can explain the discrepancy in his statement but if we are being honest it will not have been the first time he has sent out conflicting messages. I could never fully work out why he would have a particular anti-agenda against the number of members and companies he chose to post about. Furthermore, the hypocrisy about what he would not promote and why, followed by the completely opposite course of action.

Are we surprised?

I've explained my way of thinking multiple times when it comes to signature campaigns. You both choose not to understand it, and default to the label of hypocrisy. I refuse to indulge in this comment further as I know that you are only making this post to get the same response as you have when you have made it in the past.

I didn't chime in on the other thread because I've witnessed what is being discussed in this thread first-hand and did some digging months before this thread arose. In essence, I was saying "Hey, I've seen this going on as well". I'm not sure how that is a problem?

Because you're not doing that, you're throwing a lot of baseless accusations around and slighting individuals and entire companies without really having the first clue what you're talking about. That's the main problem. Nobody is going to interfere with your right to do that here, but you don't get to remain free of judgment or criticism; that is also our right to point out when what you're saying is wrong, contradictory, or simply doesn't make sense.

They're not baseless though...Just have ninjastic.space open on one monitor and the sportsbet thread open in another, and look at the flow of merits between the most active participants over the last 20+ pages. You will see that very low quality posts are frequently merited there, and that is only one sign of the abuse that is surrounding the sportsbet.io brand and fan-base. If you look for a while like I have, and extend your searches into trust pages, you'll end up with a network of members who have helped each other to rank up at an expedited rate in comparison to a member who actually contributes value to the forum.

Though if you aren't interested in doing that and you want to conclude my opinions are baseless (ironically, with no proof of them being baseless), sure.
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March 18, 2024, 10:20:48 AM
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Well, not really. Whatever the reason for your leaving the campaign, that was maybe a convenient excuse, but not the truth.  You applied to a new one just a few minutes later, and we all know inactive accounts don't participate in campaigns. 

The application was edited to "removed" not long after it was posted, which is when I made the decision.

But to make your claims sound even more ridiculous, you even created your own topic offering your signature space and "promising" at least 100 posts per month.  How would you be able to do that if you were planning on "taking a break from the forum"?

This was posted on February 26, when I still intended to be active in the forum, weeks before I decided officially to take a break. Also, that thread did not promise at least 100 posts per month. All it did was state my average amount of posts since in the last year.

Look, your lying is old news. But exposing you never gets boring.

Caught red-handed, as usual:


https://archive.is/0laka

The topic was posted on February 26 (the same day you left the campaign, btw), but you updated it a week later (March 4), which means that your claim that you left the campaign because you are taking a break from the forum is actually a lie.

As for the "promise" of 100 posts per month, the topic title itself says: "$2.5/post or $250/month". Do the math.

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March 19, 2024, 01:13:12 AM
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They're not baseless though...Just have ninjastic.space open on one monitor and the sportsbet thread open in another, and look at the flow of merits between the most active participants over the last 20+ pages. You will see that very low quality posts are frequently merited there, and that is only one sign of the abuse that is surrounding the sportsbet.io brand and fan-base. If you look for a while like I have, and extend your searches into trust pages, you'll end up with a network of members who have helped each other to rank up at an expedited rate in comparison to a member who actually contributes value to the forum.

Though if you aren't interested in doing that and you want to conclude my opinions are baseless (ironically, with no proof of them being baseless), sure.

I'm not sure you understand what the word "baseless" means. It means there is no basis upon which your claims can rest. You did not do the slightest bit of any research whatsoever, which means you could not present your fictional research in a manner that would support the base or basis of your claims, which means your claims are baseless. Instead, you just said, "if you look here and here you will come to the same conclusion I did." That means there is no actual basis for your claims.

Try harder or prepare to be ridiculed yet again.

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May 24, 2024, 10:41:27 PM
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this is disgusting and should be looked into by staff who are not in those campaigns

merit source solely giving campaigners and manager to get paid is unethical
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June 02, 2024, 03:53:28 PM
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why has this thread not been actioned yet

oh the moderators are paid shills for the sites here who hold their signatures

all makes complete sense for anyone whos not wearing shit smeared goggles to blind those greedy assholes

purely disgusting from administrator allowing these pieces of shit wearing their signatures to not be investigated
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June 03, 2024, 02:06:15 AM
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purely disgusting from administrator allowing these pieces of shit wearing their signatures to not be investigated

What makes you think the "administrator" is "allowing" Sportsbet campaign members "to not be investigated"?

You're responsible for making the change you want to see in the world. Feel free to investigate away, nobody is stopping you.

Look, your lying is old news. But exposing you never gets boring.

You shut him down so hard that he never came back to the forum, lol.

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June 03, 2024, 05:05:36 AM
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purely disgusting from administrator allowing these pieces of shit wearing their signatures to not be investigated

What makes you think the "administrator" is "allowing" Sportsbet campaign members "to not be investigated"?

You're responsible for making the change you want to see in the world. Feel free to investigate away, nobody is stopping you.
Actually if the user knows how truly the "administrator" act against forum rules then he/she will shut the hell up because I haven't seen any rule breakers still standing after being caught and so they should bring up a proper proofs and not the if and merit system.

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Look, your lying is old news. But exposing you never gets boring.

You shut him down so hard that he never came back to the forum, lol.
It's funny how though this guy has been around for long but since this year, he has been acting too dramatic especially in meta

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June 13, 2024, 03:05:55 AM
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purely disgusting from administrator allowing these pieces of shit wearing their signatures to not be investigated

What makes you think the "administrator" is "allowing" Sportsbet campaign members "to not be investigated"?

You're responsible for making the change you want to see in the world. Feel free to investigate away, nobody is stopping you.


look for yourself. It is all right there in front of you to see

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the three stooges giving each other wank jobs per their campaign quota for the week

Sportsbet.io is using several high profile users to dominate the forum. Below are some of them:

Incentivizing users to post in their topic (Against the forum rules)

Any kind of incentive to post in your thread is against the rules. But sportsbet gang have found an easy way to bypass this rule.

Gang member #1 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=379487

You will notice 90% of the merits are given to people posting their wins, discussing about sports in the sportsbet.io or livecasino.io (sister sites) threads. And the posts are nothing spectacular either, it's simple posts showing their wins and discussing normal topics like soccer.

Merits are hard to earn and when people notice that LFC will shower some merits just for posting anything in their topic, they post and hence it's clearly incentivized posting.

Gang member #2 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=137185

This guy holds several Sportsbet.io giveaways and hence should be considered an employee. 100% of his merits are given to posters in Sportsbet.io thread.

Gang member #3 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=901859

Again the same patterns. These people are obviously paid to lure people into posting in the sportbet.io thread and keep it bumping.


Anyone speaking against sportsbet.io is attacked with red trust for no reason.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5439809.40

I don't see where the OP lied in the above case but was given -ve trust. He was impatient and yeah should have remained calmed but not many of us would be able to remain calm when the sportsbook denies to pay the winnings from bets placed on NFL FINAL, which can't be rigged I think.

Misleading marketing by Sportsbet.io called out by Peeps Place

Sportsbet.io created a NEW thread despite already announcing in their original thread about the same. If every casino were to created threads for big wins, the forum would be a mess. Anyways, that's the least of the issues here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5480517.0

Steve from sportsbet advertises as "Sportsbet.io pays out a $42,000,000 USDT Casino WIN!" which was misleading since it's the provider who pays out the winnings not sportbet and it was called out publicly by Peeps who was then attacked by the Gang members, as expected.

Over 100 merits were given by LFC on the posts about this record win

Paid press releases are being shared to mislead users into believing that sportsbet actually paid the winnings.


all listed in order gang members lined up for their mug shots

the corrupt merit source unchecked by any moderator or administrator for giving merits for nothing shill posts
demote this loser

pure corruption at its finest
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Gee, 3 whole merits given out across 2 sportsbet.io posts. I didn't realize the problem was so serious. Clearly this is an egregious violation of forum law and the charges could very well result in imprisonment. I'm going to write a letter to my local congressman right away. I have just one question for you:

Have you tried crying about it?




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June 15, 2024, 09:38:48 AM
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They're not baseless though...Just have ninjastic.space open on one monitor and the sportsbet thread open in another, and look at the flow of merits between the most active participants over the last 20+ pages. You will see that very low quality posts are frequently merited there, and that is only one sign of the abuse that is surrounding the sportsbet.io brand and fan-base.
If you want to define quality, when it comes to individual perspective, you clearly can’t! Just let that not ache your head. While going over the forum yesterday, reading what I could, I saw a user post;

“Go fuck yourself, you’re a piece of shit” or something like that. Don’t want to quote the post excerpt am moved to but, it got merited! Now, you’ll ask yourself how is that any quality post? It’s just a line and nothing more! Yet, it got merited by a high profile and the posts was between one high profile to another.

You really don’t get a say on that! Someone is probably having fun with what he or she sees and if it’s enough to throw some of those Smerit there, then it’s okay. If participants in sportsbet.io decides to do some meriting in their thread, you ain’t going to do nothing of it.

Did everyone receive invitations for Sportsbet gang annual special meeting yet?  Grin

I am going to propose free gang membership to all BSFL participants because we must have growth and not stagnation.
From next season we are introducing paid membership only Wink
Be sure I get my invitation else, am going to hodl all my Smerits.



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June 19, 2024, 12:53:07 PM
Last edit: June 19, 2024, 01:48:34 PM by BenCodie
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Look, your lying is old news. But exposing you never gets boring.

You shut him down so hard that he never came back to the forum, lol.

Not really...FatFork's post was just the straw that broke the camel's back. It didn't matter whether I was right or wrong about a topic, there was bias that followed a lot of where I was on this forum. Obviously, I was too outspoken, I was stepping on some toes, people also criticized that I was getting paid to post and that I used that opportunity as a factor as to whether to stay here or not (ironically, while also being paid to post). I decided that I was not going to feed the untrue narratives that I could forming, ultimately leading to my existence in this forum being narrowed down to a "liar" by FatFork or a "troll" by icopress. I saw that I had two choices,
1. Defend my honor against these untrue statements against known forum gangs (and likely not have succeeded in doing so, right and wrong aside)
2. Just leave this place for a while, since it was becoming exhausting anyway.

I am grateful that I picked number 2. I needed a break from some of the nasty characters that still somehow dwell around here.

This aside. I'm going to say one more thing about this topic since it was quite significantly derailed. I still maintain that one who conducts a thorough look into ninjastic.space will find relationships between members in the sportsbet thread. If we deduct the sportsbet thread and these relationships from the merit equation, these members who just might even be or more ranks behind where they are currently if it weren't for the merits shared in that thread. I think there is gang-like behavior there, probably external connections as well, and I don't think that's a baseless comment to make based on the information that's readily available to anyone.

So, why not post my own investigation, as you suggest earlier nutildah?
1. My credibility was already under attack. Even with a large amount of proof, I'm sure these members would have found a way to derail the investigation into something against me personally.
2. I am convinced that there are powerful members who collude with those who have interests with casinos like sportsbet. Even with a large amount of proof, I'm sure these members would have also found a way to derail the investigation into something against me personally.
3. Due to the above, my efforts would not have been a waste of time, however it would have added to exhaustion.

On the other hand, I think a member like yourself could have conducted this investigation, you'd not have to worry about point 1 and 2. Maybe point 3, depending how many people actually care.

Instead, the thread was derailed.

Anyway. I (kind of) digress. TLDR: I left because this place at the time, it was exhausting. With that in mind, I'm making a conscious effort not to participate in the fight for what I think is right in this forum, stay away from forum drama where necessary, and avoid interacting with energy depleting members who are exhausting to go back and forth with...to the best of my ability anyway. I don't think I'll be active enough for any of this to even matter anyway, though I thought I'd leave my closing statement. Hopefully, it's a closing statement.

They're not baseless though...Just have ninjastic.space open on one monitor and the sportsbet thread open in another, and look at the flow of merits between the most active participants over the last 20+ pages. You will see that very low quality posts are frequently merited there, and that is only one sign of the abuse that is surrounding the sportsbet.io brand and fan-base.
If you want to define quality, when it comes to individual perspective, you clearly can’t! Just let that not ache your head. While going over the forum yesterday, reading what I could, I saw a user post;

“Go fuck yourself, you’re a piece of shit” or something like that. Don’t want to quote the post excerpt am moved to but, it got merited! Now, you’ll ask yourself how is that any quality post? It’s just a line and nothing more! Yet, it got merited by a high profile and the posts was between one high profile to another.

You really don’t get a say on that! Someone is probably having fun with what he or she sees and if it’s enough to throw some of those Smerit there, then it’s okay. If participants in sportsbet.io decides to do some meriting in their thread, you ain’t going to do nothing of it.

It's not really the same circumstance. It's not about one isolated post like what you have made there, it's more about few members saying short responses that no one would normally merit, and the same people meriting them. A circle, if you will, that exists over time within one thread and between certain people.

I guess I should just stop being ambiguous and share the DM I sent well before this thread ever existed.

To gain some insight, take a look at ****'s trust profile: ***
- *** and *** have met in real life.
- *** and *** have met in real life.
- *** has attended a sportsbet.io event in which ***** seems to have met the owner of sportsbet.io and ***

To see what posts are merited, take a look at ninjastic: redacted URL
- You can see that majority of merits come from valueless posts (in terms of value to BitcoinTalk) in the sportsbet.io thread, merits mostly coming from sportsbet.io employees such as *** and the sportsbet.io account and personal "friends" such as *** and others from the trust list.

To see how much merit has been shared, take a look at BPIP: redacted URL
- *** has sent 126 merits to *** to date
- *** has sent 284 merits to *** to date
- *** has sent 49 merits to *** to date
- sportsbet.io has sent 16 merits to *** to date
That's 410 merits from two users, 475 between all four.
Or another way of reading it, 333 Merits from personally met users. 142 Merits from (potential) colleagues, also met in real life.

Aside from seemingly legitimate merits from a donation campaign, **** has been accumulating merit extremely quickly from one singular thread, sportsbet.io, for rather meaningless posts. Filter out the merits from the donation campaign on ninjastic and you will see that basically all of the rest of the merit are from what woudl usually be considered valueless posts in the sportsbet.io thread from the users above.

While I think this is a bit unfair on people who legitimately put effort into contributing to Bitcoin and the BitcoinTalk forum, I want to hear what you think. I will overlook it if you think that if it's something worth overlooking. I trust your guidance and opinion which is why I'm messaging you about this Smiley

I've changed all usernames to *** to prevent any drama. Otherwise, all content is original from the date. I sent this to LoyceV on April 05 2023. If anyone doubts it, ask him.

it should be noted that these merit numbers have increased by 100-400% since I sent this PM.

There's your investigation nutildah.

Gee, 3 whole merits given out across 2 sportsbet.io posts. I didn't realize the problem was so serious. Clearly this is an egregious violation of forum law and the charges could very well result in imprisonment. I'm going to write a letter to my local congressman right away. I have just one question for you:

Have you tried crying about it?

It spans 800+ merits and that is just involving what's been given to one user. Without these merits, he'd be a Hero member, and at the point of legendary...he wouldn't even be a senior member. Again, this does not include the other members who are a part of this "gang".

I don't think there's a need to be condescending, you're capable of seeing it for yourself, it almost seems like you are choosing not to. Either way, you've made your position clear. So how about from now forward we leave this here and let third parties (people who have not already posted in this thread) give their opinion?

I'd appreciate if anyone wants to talk about me and my reputation that they go and make a thread in the rep board instead of continuing that discussion here too.
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On the other hand, I think a member like yourself could have conducted this investigation, you'd not have to worry about point 1 and 2. Maybe point 3, depending how many people actually care.

What's the end result you hope to achieve, and how is it actionable by any of us? Negative trust for merit giving? If not that, then what?

I sent this to LoyceV on April 05 2023. If anyone doubts it, ask him.

If LoyceV doesn't care, then why should we?

It spans 800+ merits and that is just involving what's been given to one user. Without these merits, he'd be a Hero member, and at the point of legendary...he wouldn't even be a senior member. Again, this does not include the other members who are a part of this "gang".

I don't know who you're talking about here, and frankly I don't care, but if whoever was giving them merits found their contributions to the forum to be valuable, then they are using merits in exactly the way they were intended.

I don't think there's a need to be condescending, you're capable of seeing it for yourself, it almost seems like you are choosing not to. Either way, you've made your position clear. So how about from now forward we leave this here and let third parties (people who have not already posted in this thread) give their opinion?

When an attack is just for the sake of harming reputation, it should receive the amount of respect it deserves, which is zero. I don't care about perceived transgressions regarding merits, especially when they come accounts without a reputation. The only time it bugs me is when alt accounts try to leech merits out of sources in the WO thread, but even then I'm not going to conduct an "investigation" into it. Really the main person you should attempt to appeal to is theymos, as he is the one who assigns merit sources.

You think you can tell people what to do and they'll listen. They won't, as you don't really have a reputation here. You obviously still have a lot to learn about the way the forum works.

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Today at 07:48:58 AM
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I don't know sportsbet.io

But I know LFC and he merited me a lot in the wall observer and in some other threads... which are far from sport things...
I vouch for that guy any day.

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