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April 06, 2025, 03:51:01 AM
Last edit: April 13, 2025, 01:07:29 PM by shinratensei_
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I don't understand what Trump is doing there, to be honest. I realize that the idea of imposing tariffs on foreign goods is supposed to support local producers of goods. It can also be a bargaining chip in political negotiations. However, it is clearly hurting the US economy. It's been the worst week for the US stock market since COVID, all thanks to harsh actions and global tariffs. I sure hope that even people who voted for Trump are not pleased with how he's handling the economy.
Trump move is obvious and he even stated repeatedly, he want US to not be on the losing side and reduce trade deficit and recent reciprocal tariff is an obvious move he made as a weapon to negotiate with those countries that impose tariffs toward US.
Undeniably stock market got the backlash because of it and now people are cursing, that's to be expected since these high tariff are no joke.

I don't know what's gonna be the outcome though as it seems there are countries that are willing to negotiate, except china. but I can't lie but agree, trump imposing tariff on the allied country seems like a big mistake.

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April 06, 2025, 05:17:14 AM
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Trump admin has not explained what tariffs imposed to the US he is talking about specifically. He is imposing tariffs on trade deficits. Trade deficits are not tariffs imposed to the US, they are simply a lack of demand for a certain good service of the US compared to what you can offer to them. So for example some country in South Africa is just not able to keep up with the amount of things exported to the US to the point that they almost got 100% tariff. So this is pointless. Unless he can prove hidden tariffs, then this is just dubious math being applied, either knowingly or not, but so far even if he gets rid of tariffs, it may just be too much uncertainty for the markets at this point and we may go into a bear for a while.
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April 06, 2025, 07:41:36 AM
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Today is the Liberation day and the president trump is expected to speak after few hours from now. It is likely that he will be announcing the tariffs implements (and they will be no more delays)  and it will have a bad impact on the stocks and crypto prices. There will be a lot of headlines today, and most importantly, we may see a lot of volatility in the crypto markets.

Trump may be correct in his opinion that other countries impose too many tariffs on US goods, which damages US exports. So he thinks that he has the right to implement tariffs on other countries and eventually make the US great again. That's his plan as of now.


If we go deeply into evaluating Trump's decision on the new tariff policy it is in the best interests of the average American company or industries. As a President it is his duty to do that which he feels best for the country even though it might affect certain externalities. As in, the US wouldn't continue to bear the brunt while other countries have a high tariff on their imports yet they don't expect the US to do same in protecting their economy.  Just as the tariff is termed "liberation day", it's a liberation for America economy as a reprisal response imposed on US goods and maybe if those other countries could readjust theirs then a negotiation can be initiated to adress this new hike to avoid the global economy crisis this new development is causing.

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April 06, 2025, 07:56:30 AM
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Isn't the effect of those tariffs huge because many people have been affected. And until now, many are still affected and we can see that. Especially in the stock market, all the big companies have been dropping their prices. That's a lot of money lost before these weekends started, right?

Overall, Trump didn't do a good job with that announcement to all investors around the world because all countries around the world are affected.

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Mass protests against the tariffs have been reported in the news. Maybe these protests are organized by Trump's globalist opponents, especially since they have extensive experience organizing all kinds of protests in different countries and coups. Or maybe people really don't like the huge increase in prices for everything and the fact that they will have to work in real production (if they return from countries with cheap labor). After all, sitting on your ass in an office or receiving an allowance, the amount of which is such that in some countries for this money you can feel like Louis XIV, is significantly different from working as a milling cutter or turner or assembler on an assembly line..

 
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April 06, 2025, 05:00:07 PM
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Mass protests against the tariffs have been reported in the news. Maybe these protests are organized by Trump's globalist opponents, especially since they have extensive experience organizing all kinds of protests in different countries and coups. Or maybe people really don't like the huge increase in prices for everything and the fact that they will have to work in real production (if they return from countries with cheap labor). After all, sitting on your ass in an office or receiving an allowance, the amount of which is such that in some countries for this money you can feel like Louis XIV, is significantly different from working as a milling cutter or turner or assembler on an assembly line..


Yeah the globalist take on every critique of Trump is just getting ridiculous. I mean who is believing that narrative at this point? Sure there are what you would call "globalist agendas" but you cannot pinpoint everything to that and assume no responsibility. The fact is that the tariffs have been started by Trump, and the effects of the tariffs are clear and he started this trade war. The tariffs don't even make sense from a math standpoint. So let's see how Trump gets out of this if he doesn't get the reaction he wanted, which is (I think) lowering of interest rates, higher increase of revenue from imports, and forcing parties into negotiation. But the truth is, it will be difficult for Trump to have a successful power grab over the federal reserve. We may end up with higher inflation and with higher interest rates which would crush Trump's midterms, and from what they are saying, they are not going to change tariffs.
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April 06, 2025, 06:11:47 PM
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Can't you guys get the idea that the global financial system is corrupt? It's disastrous , and it's truly the worst. It's completely rotten The governments that complain the most about tariffs are the governments that have benefited from wars and the COVID-19 pandemic, which of course was a huge setup , The WHO recently came out saying they never said they had to lock down or paralyze the world.

Trump's objective is clear: to exterminate the economy, which is absolutely useless and lives off debt Investors lose? Yes, in this economy, they lose a lot, and not just them.

If they close the flow of money given for wars, for foreign debts, what are these countries left with? Start a war? What will they invent? Another pandemic? It's not possible. You should buy BTC Those who don't want to, then buy gold.

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April 06, 2025, 06:18:47 PM
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Mass protests against the tariffs have been reported in the news. Maybe these protests are organized by Trump's globalist opponents, especially since they have extensive experience organizing all kinds of protests in different countries and coups. Or maybe people really don't like the huge increase in prices for everything and the fact that they will have to work in real production (if they return from countries with cheap labor). After all, sitting on your ass in an office or receiving an allowance, the amount of which is such that in some countries for this money you can feel like Louis XIV, is significantly different from working as a milling cutter or turner or assembler on an assembly line..
People like to see their countries are in huge debt instead of rebalance their economic. They're feeling worry about the inflation that can be triggered by tariff war. However, they forget how their country is always deficit.

When your country gave very small tariff to the goods from other countries, then your goods get very high tariff by other countries. Where are the sense? Their country may be collapse if it's not getting re-balanced. I know such decision kinda brutal, but that's the only solution available.

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April 06, 2025, 07:53:54 PM
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Can't you guys get the idea that the global financial system is corrupt? It's disastrous , and it's truly the worst. It's completely rotten The governments that complain the most about tariffs are the governments that have benefited from wars and the COVID-19 pandemic, which of course was a huge setup , The WHO recently came out saying they never said they had to lock down or paralyze the world.

Trump's objective is clear: to exterminate the economy, which is absolutely useless and lives off debt Investors lose? Yes, in this economy, they lose a lot, and not just them.

If they close the flow of money given for wars, for foreign debts, what are these countries left with? Start a war? What will they invent? Another pandemic? It's not possible. You should buy BTC Those who don't want to, then buy gold.

The US cannot live isolated from the world. Just on digital services alone, which have not been used by the EU to retaliate, we are talking about hundreds of billions of dollars that the US has in trade defficit with the EU in terms of software. So let's say the EU decides to do the same as the US has done: tax on deficits. Well then they could tax a ton of money. 70% of what the US exports is services (think lawyers, digital services etc) so basically that is a lot of damage that could be done. Trump is deluded to think they can achieve self-sustainability. And Trump is funding Israel bombing the middle east on a daily basis, so I don't see how he is working on that field too. Let's see how this ends, but for now he isn't getting the deals that he expected.
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April 07, 2025, 01:50:36 PM
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Those countries already imposed very high tariff even before US did it. Look a few asian countries that were imposing 50% - 90% tariff to the US goods.

Does it sound make sense if they're imposing additional tariff to fight Trump's reciprocal tariff, which is still 50% lower than them?

There are many issues involved and it is not as simple as we think. For example, Cambodia exports nearly $13 billion to the United States, while the United States exports less than $400 million to Cambodia. The gap is huge and even if Cambodia applies a 97% tariff on $400 million, it is nothing compared to a 49% tariff on $13 billion.

Furthermore, most countries use this strategy simply because it is a way to promote domestic consumption. If the government does not impose heavy taxes on imported goods, people will not tend to use domestic goods, which will lead to underdevelopment of an entire country. Would you be happy if your country's economy became poor? As a world power, the United States should seek to help other countries develop together, not try to bully weaker nations.

In theory, the United States is the country with the largest trade deficit, but in reality, its people also benefit from cheap goods from other countries because they are the world's largest consumer nation.

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If we go deeply into evaluating Trump's decision on the new tariff policy it is in the best interests of the average American company or industries. As a President it is his duty to do that which he feels best for the country even though it might affect certain externalities. As in, the US wouldn't continue to bear the brunt while other countries have a high tariff on their imports yet they don't expect the US to do same in protecting their economy.  Just as the tariff is termed "liberation day", it's a liberation for America economy as a reprisal response imposed on US goods and maybe if those other countries could readjust theirs then a negotiation can be initiated to adress this new hike to avoid the global economy crisis this new development is causing.
You would assume so, but the reality is that this is just a "war" on other nations that hurts Americans as well. Can you tell me that Americans are not being impacted by this? So you are telling me that eventually all of the products that you are buying from other nations, ALL of it, will be made in USA, with equal amounts of price?

Or are we going to have a world where it takes a decade or more to get maybe half of these products to USA for ten times the price and the other half still not even in the USA and cost more for Americans? That is what it looks like so far, and there is no data to show otherwise. The pink promises of bright futures are just lies so far, and I do not think anything further could be done about it.

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People like to see their countries are in huge debt instead of rebalance their economic. They're feeling worry about the inflation that can be triggered by tariff war. However, they forget how their country is always deficit.

When your country gave very small tariff to the goods from other countries, then your goods get very high tariff by other countries. Where are the sense? Their country may be collapse if it's not getting re-balanced. I know such decision kinda brutal, but that's the only solution available.
Individually we are not able to do this because talking about the economy involves many things to compensate, especially if you talk about a country as a whole there are many things that need to be done for economic growth and if the policies taken by the wrong leader will greatly affect the process of the country's economic travel. Trump tried to balance the tariff because previously their products were subject to a much larger tariff but this policy became a polemic that might need to be muted.

Even what happens now many challenges experienced by Trump because there are demonstrations by some of his citizens to the policies he made. So that economic stability is also not necessarily stable when this runs more complicated because there will be many problems that may have to be resolved.

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April 09, 2025, 12:43:02 PM
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I don't understand what Trump is doing there, to be honest. I realize that the idea of imposing tariffs on foreign goods is supposed to support local producers of goods. It can also be a bargaining chip in political negotiations. However, it is clearly hurting the US economy. It's been the worst week for the US stock market since COVID, all thanks to harsh actions and global tariffs. I sure hope that even people who voted for Trump are not pleased with how he's handling the economy.
we are not yet certain how this will all unfold as it has only been a week for now it is looking bad for usa and there has been a lot of concerns raised whether trump's decisions were actually the best for the country but there could also be some adjustments later on that might come up and might make the economy look better
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